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IRC
by TO1SITTLER＠APSICC.APS.EDU 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

NO! I was NOT trying to set up a host, I was trying to set up a CLIENT! I don't have source for a host, nor do I have room in my disk quota for it! I do, however, have source for two IRC clients, neither of which works yet. But really Chris, I think the Clipper is more important. Not only to the people who read the list, but to me too. This is the biggest reason why my time online does not get spent hacking the IRC client into shape. Please stop posting these messages to THIS list. Kragen

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OOPS
by GR2KITTRELL＠APSICC.APS.EDU 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

Sorry, To1sittler was trying to set up an IRC HOST, not client.. My apologizes.. If anyone knows massive amounts about IRC, PLEASE, help! gr2kittrell(a)apsicc.aps.edu

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Re: DC meeting
by Bob Stratton 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

[Note: in the interests of hitting everyone interested, this message might be duplicated for several of you. Please accept my apologies in advance --Strat] > Subject: DC meeting > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 16:20:50 EDT > From: dstalder(a)gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Darren/Torin/Who ever...) > > This is to announce a DC area cypherpunks meeting on Monday 26 April at > 1800 (or so) until whenever at my office. Call me or write me for info > on how to get here... A couple of things: - I was reading mail to post my announcement, when I read yours :-) - I'm more than willing to defer to the majority, though I think there's something to be said for networking the meetings, especially if we have good tools. I've also already received a great deal of response to the idea of a Saturday meeting, even from out-of-towners. To that end, I'm going to post an announcement for a Saturday meeting, and see what happens. Several of us have been planning it for a couple of days now, so don't take it personally or anything. - Paul Ferguson and a couple of others and I have been cobbling together a list of people we thought would be interested in meeting in the DC area, so as to do preliminary planning without polluting Cypherpunks too much. I can see that there are more DC area people than I had originally envisioned, which makes me happy. Sorry if we missed you originally. - Eric and I have discussed the idea of audio teleconferencing the various meetings, either via the Internet or by phone. I've got both a Sun IPC equipped to do the former, and a Western Electric conference telephone (and 6- way on my switch) for the latter. Well readers, which do you prefer? --Strat Help stop the wiretap chip! (a.k.a "Clipper") RIPEM and PGP keys available on request.

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IRC setup
by GR2KITTRELL＠APSICC.APS.EDU 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

I really don't know if it can be accomplished in time, but TO1SITTLER is working on setting up a client here for IRC. If this can be used for any meetings, just write. GR2KITTRELL(a)APSICC.APS.EDU Albuquerque, New Mexico (Land of Enchantment) "Right"

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subscribe
by schmittec＠MJ.LAAFB.AF.MIL 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

subscribe, schmittec(a)mj.laafb.af.mil

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Reaction time and Crypto
by uni＠acs.bu.edu 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

I must complement the group on the speed and vigor with which they have pursued the Clinton proposal. It is my hope that we can somehow make it apparent to the public that they are losing, not winning here. It seems to me that the following technologies are going to be of increasing import despite the outcome of the Clinton proposal. 1. Raw headerless output from packages like PGP. It seems obvious that if crypto is regulated, it must be easier to disguise the type of crypto one is using, or indeed if one is using crypto. 2. Methodology for the disguising of cyphertext in more innocous data. 3. The proliferation and consistant use of Crypto for even everyday communications. 1> The harder it is to find, the less potential there is for regulation. 2> The harder it is to look for, the less potential there is for regulation. 3> The harder it is to abolish, the less potential there is for regulation. More than the specific plan here, I am stunned by the emerging MOVEMENT that seems to be at work here. I can only ask, what's next? I don't think any proposal to regulate crypto will focus on the users, but rather the development and distrubution of said crypto. This is what frightens me the most. The precedent for regulation of private software and hardware applications is painfully visable on the horizion. Someone said before: Be afraid, be very afraid. uni (Dark)

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WIRETAP: press articles wanted.
by Eric Hughes 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

Speaking as the ftp site maintainer, I'm looking for all the press coverage there is on this wiretap chip, both national and local coverage. I've seen quotes from several other sources, but not whole articles. So type in what's at hand and send it to me. I'll put it up for ftp. I've got Saturday's article from the SF Chronicle here, which I haven't yet typed in, but I should warn you that this piece is one of the most slanted things I've seen in that paper. (Those of you who've read the Chron know this is a real insult.) I'll get it typed in myself unless someone can send me a copy. Eric

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Re: WIRETAP: boycotts
by karn＠qualcomm.com 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

Boycotts seldom do much by direct economic pressure. If they accomplish anything, they generally do so by the publicity they generate. Phil

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Re: Info on Mykotronx
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

Harry Shapiro said he wasn't able to find much information on Mykotronx. The San Francisco Chronicle says it's a "little-known company in Torrance, CA"; "Mykotronx Inc., founded in 1979 by two former engineers from TRW Inc., already sells classified encryption chips to protect satellite communications." "San Jose-based VLSI Research Inc. will manufacture the chip, called the Clipper. VLSI was chosen largely because it has a unique manufacturing process that makes it nearly impossible to take the chip apart and decode it." The Washington Times says that "Government engineers at NSA and [...] NIST designed and developed the chip, which was then produced by privately owned Mykotronx and a publicly traded subcontractor, VLSI Technology." In their discussion of comments by Ted Bettwy, exec VP of Mykotronx, "He said the chip announced yesterday, internally referred to as MYK-78, costs about $40 and uses an algorithm 16 million times more complex than that used by chips now on the market. Computer hackers have penetrated the current chips." Bill Stewart

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Verbosity by Mail from NIST
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

I called the phone number for NIST given in one of the announcements, and was routed to Sherry Hankey 1-301-975-2820, who faxed me their package of information they're sending out. There's no new technical information (Dorothy Denning's article and some non-technical viewgraphs), but there's a lot of newspaper clippings, pro and con, the announcements we've seen on the net from Clinton, Q&A, etc., and what look like viewgraphs from a couple of talks. Overall, it looks like they don't know much more than we do :-). One talk is "U.S. Technology Initiative for Secure Telecommunications" Raymond G. Kammer, Acting Director, NIST, 4/16/93 which is basically the announcements turned into viewgraphs (if I've sucessfully decoded the tangle of fax paper :-). Another part of the package looks like another talk, which covers Wiretap cases by the FBI and other agencies, including a summary table for 1982-1991 of State and Federal wiretap authorizations, arrests, and convictions (there's a footnote that reporting of convictions seems to substantially lag actual convictions, though the ration of arrests to convictions has decreased, averaging 2:1 over 10 years, 3:1 recently.) Most wiretaps are State and local, not FBI. Cases they cited included the usual drug dealing and money laundering, a judge taking bribes, a Chicago street gang El Rukn proposing to shoot down an airliner for the Libyans, some Mafiosi, a RICO case against the Concrete and Cement Workers Union "Prevented economic loss $585Mil", some fraud in defense contracting and health care contracting, and the Masters of Disaster "computer hackers" case. Bill Stewart wcs(a)anchor.att.com # Bill Stewart wcs(a)anchor.ho.att.com +1-908-949-0705 Fax-4876 # AT&T Bell Labs, Room 4M-312, Crawfords Corner Rd, Holmdel, NJ 07733-3030

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