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A Volunteer in a Suit Has Appeared!
by tcmay＠netcom.com 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

I am pleased to announce that the Search Committee has found an Executive Director for the newly renamed "Privacy Institute." He will serve as both manager and as external spokesman for the Institute. We searched for a respectable person, preferably middle-aged, who knew how to communicate with bureaucrats and was prepared to relocate to the Washington, D.C. area to act as our official lobbyist (the matter of his compensation will be dealt with in a later memo, one which also explains our dues structure. membership grades, and official bylaws). Our candidate is an active poster in sci.crypt, is well-known to the Net, and yet has strong connections with the Washington bureaucracy. We feel he will do much to project a more proper, even anal, image of our group. We hope his appointment as Executive Director, The Privacy Institute, will go a long way toward improving the image we developed during our first phase of existence when we were known by the c-word name. Our new Director intends to immediately correct many of the wrongs he sees. Without further ado, here is his name: David Sternlight I hope you'll all join me in welcoming Sternie, or Sterno, as his friends call him, to the Privacy Institute. -Tim May, Recording Secretary, The Privacy Institute ("Don't call us Cypherpunks!") (The preceeding spoof was brought to you as a public service.)

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Re: CLIP: Legal Aspects
by karn＠qualcomm.com 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

At 08:11 AM 4/22/93 -0700, Eric Hughes wrote: >Exploratory wiretaps, illegally made and whose evidence is not >directly admissible, provide information that may lead investigators >to other information. This secondary information _is_ admissible. > >It would be a wonderful if the ER were strengthened so that all >evidence which resulted from an illegal search _and all of its >subsidiaries_ were conidered tainted. That battle, however, is a much >longer one to fight. I thought this was already true, at least in theory. It's known as the "fruit of the poisoned tree" doctrine. Evidence gathered as a consequence of illegally gathered evidence is in itself inadmissable. Of course, this is probably what has been weakened the most by the Reagan/Bush Supreme Court. >Even in that situation, though, the defense would have to prove that >an unauthorized wiretap took place. *This* is the fundamental problem. There are many possible ways that illegal wiretaps can further the collection of other evidence, without the existence of the illegal wiretap ever having to be revealed. Phil

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PGPHELP: Digisigning that petition
by zane＠genesis.mcs.com 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

I was looking over PGP in order to figure out how digisigning a petition could work, and I couldn't figure out how to get PGP to do it properly. (It was frustrating, because I remembered doing it before.) What I *want* PGP to output is: -- Begin PGP Signed Message -- We hate the clipper -- End PGP Signed Message -- -- Begin PGP Sig --- dsfDSCSA43523csdcsad235s -- End PGP Sig --- In the same form as many post to this list. How about the format which makes a seperate file out of the PGP -sig, and STILL brackets the PGP signed message. (The PGP sig file would be in ascii armor following a message saying: "This is a PGP-sig cert." I *do* remember doing this before.. I can't figure out HOW I did it though.) -- | Sameer Parekh-zane(a)genesis.MCS.COM-PFA related mail to pfa(a)genesis.MCS.COM | | Apprentice Philosopher, Writer, Physicist, Healer, Programmer, Lover, more | | ----STOP THE WIRETAP CHIP/BIG BROTHER PROPOSAL!---MAIL ME FOR DETAILS! __/ | "Be God" - Me __ "Specialization is for Insects" - Robert A. Heinlein__/ \_____________/ \___________________________________________________/

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What should be done.
by treason＠gnu.ai.mit.edu 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

I agree as well that this mail is horrendous. 50+ mailings a day is a troublesome thing. I would like to suggest a method of mailing that would be less pain to the mailer, and more useful for storing purposes. I suggest we start an archive. All mail sent to the list in one day is put within this archive, and mailed ONCE per day. Sure this mailing would be rather large, and you may have to wade though alot of stuff that may be uninteresting to you to get to what you want to see, but you could store it in temp, and use vi on it or something...it would be a minor inconvienience. Much more livable than what we have now. I have seen a great list done in this same way. It has the mail header for the list, an index of all articles subjects within at the start, and then basically each article stored linearly with mail headers intact. For those who have seen the archive for the Ultrasound Digest, you know what Im talking about. I suspect that the individual running the list has an automation program generating this Digest each day, and mailing it when the time is appropriate. There are examples of this digest on archive.epas.utoronto.ca in /pub/pc/ultrasound/digest for those of you who want to see what it looks like. I would be happy to consult the list moderator and beg for the software in the lists best interest if we get a good number of wants. treason

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tapping method unmentioned
by ghoast＠gnu.ai.mit.edu 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

In all the articles that I've seen posted, and in the grumbling done about the advancement of government regulated cryptography, I haven't seen much mentioned on *how* the government would go about collecting a certain exchange. Pardon me if I'm missing something key here, but wasn't there some bill circulating in the legislature that proposed that phone co's build tappability into the newer non-copper phone system? Is the phone co's cooperation on this issue part of a bargain to exclude such capability from the system (yeah, right) or is the government focusing on this issue now because it has already accomplished what it wants in other areas of privacy (read: tapping) ~

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unsubscribe me
by pg3448＠csc.albany.edu 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

I cannot keep up with all the mail.. 50+ per day is just too much.. can I please be taken off the subscribed list? thank you.. PG _______________________________________________________________________________ _ @__ ############ ## /\ /\ /\ | \\ ######### ########## ###### _ || || || | \\ ###### ########## / \ || || || _|\ \\ ## ________________ ` / || || || \ \ ++ ___--- / \ \ ---___ | \\||// \ l || _-- / /\ \ \ --_ * ~||~ T\\ || _____/ / / /\ \ \ \_____ || | \\ || \_ / / /__\_\ \ _/ || | \\ ++ -__ / / /________\ __- __ || | \// .-. _ ---___\/___________/___--- _ || || | //\ . | | | ` --___ ___-- / \--+|============--_ | // .\\| t-' | _ ---------------- \_/--+|======||====-- @~~ `.| | t_| The Harbinger is watching! ||__ || ~ ` -- _______________________________________________________________________________

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DC meeting
by dstalder＠gmuvax2.gmu.edu 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

This is to announce a DC area cypherpunks meeting on Monday 26 April at 1800 (or so) until whenever at my office. Call me or write me for info on how to get here... Think free, -- Defeat the Torin/Darren Stalder/Wolf __ Wiretap Chip Internet: dstalder(a)gmuvax2.gmu.edu \/ PGP2.x key available. Proposal! Bitnet: dstalder@gmuvax Finger me. Write me for Sprintnet: 1-703-845-1000 details. Snail: 10310 Main St., Suite 110/Fairfax, VA/22030/USA DISCLAIMER: A society where such disclaimers are needed is saddening.

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Re: Crypto Activism and Respectability
by peb＠PROCASE.COM 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

>From: tcmay(a)netcom.com (Timothy C. May) >And note tha the "Hackers Conference" has not changed _their_ name, Yes, but they are not trying to gain any media attention. If the CPSR or EFF is the main media presence, then fine; the role of cypherpunks is to write code and spread memes. The only downside I see to this approach is that EFF and CPSR are afraid of being critical about wiretapping in general--that's how their press releases read. If they have a deeper agenda, it doesn't show. The attention getting name *could* be used for certain kinds of media and then branching off with pointers to EFF and CPSR would be a good strategy. Paul E. Baclace peb(a)procase.com

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The (very) next Saturday Meeting
by Arthur Abraham 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

I will be presenting a short talk entitled: Clipper (Nail* | *Ship): External Functionality based on the hardware specs of this topical device. p.s. I tried to get samples, but the price was $300,000 for 10,000 units,

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Info on Mykotronx
by Harry Shapiro 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

Please forward this message far and wide. - Harry I am looking for Info on Mykotronx the company that designed the WireTap chip for the NSA/NIST/FBI. They are said to be a contractor to NSA. Thus we can assume that most if not all of what they do is "hidden from view." I was shocked when I did a database search using the name Mykotronx and Mycotronx (both spellings have been used), in publications that report on these areas: trade, technical, business and financial markets. I also searched press wires and some newspapers. Prior to April 16/17 I have found NO References to this company. Clearly this company takes it security seriously; but such a lack of coverage seems strange. It leads me to wonder if they really existed much prior to April 16/17 - they could be a division of the NSA, for example. Of course the data bases I searched don't have everything in them and they could have been scrubbed... Can anyone find references to this company prior to April 16 1993? Can anyone provide alternative spellings for their name? Thanks, /harry -- Harry Shapiro habs(a)panix.com List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991

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