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RE: [CCGT] RE: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - April 5 Meeting
by Malcolm Atkinson 02 May '05

02 May '05

Charlie, That was my understanding from the call and subsequent events call. i.e. it is approved in my view. Malcolm >-----Original Message----- >From: Satoshi Matsuoka [mailto:matsu@is.titech.ac.jp] >Sent: 29 April 2005 21:54 >To: Charlie Catlett >Cc: matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp; Malcolm Atkinson; ccgt(a)ggf.org >Subject: Re: [CCGT] RE: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda >items - April 5 Meeting > >Charlie, > >I think it was approved. If we are operating under an older model then >it is either Dennis's or my duty to inform you. But since we are >operating in an interum model where the scheduling decisions are being >made by the organizers (Jule) and the decision is collective >amongst the >community council, where we seem to have unanimous agreement, >I judge it >is safe to assume that the workshop is officially approved and you are >ready to proceed. > > Satoshi (M) > > >On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:45:10 -0500 >Charlie Catlett <catlett(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: > >catlett> Well, it's interesting for me to approach GGF from >outside of the >catlett> walls of power. :-) As I'm the one who approved all of the >catlett> gauntlets and triplicate forms I certainly have no >one else to blame! >catlett> >catlett> I need to get an answer on this more or less >immediately, however, so >catlett> can I get an official yes or no this week? I'm >assuming since Julie >catlett> contacted me about scheduling that we are going to >get our visa >catlett> approved. >catlett> >catlett> I spoke with Peter Arzberger (leads the PRAGMA >group) and asked him >catlett> to recruit 1 or 2 Asian co-chairs for the workshop - >he will be >catlett> pouring over the background information while on his >flight to >catlett> Singapore tonight for the PRAGMA meeting there. >catlett> >catlett> Next Monday I will hop on a plane to London, where >I'll see Tony Hey >catlett> on Tuesday and Wednesday at the GridToday industry >summit. I >catlett> mentioned this workshop to him in early April and he >was interested, >catlett> so I am hoping next week to get an eScience person >to help co-chair. >catlett> >catlett> But my local co-chairs (Nancy WIlkins-Diehr from >SDSC and Sebastien >catlett> Goasguen from Purdue are doing the real work, though >the list >catlett> includes myself, Dennis and Ian Foster) are getting >nervous about >catlett> running out of time to organize and advertise. >catlett> >catlett> This last point is important, because the workshop >really is being >catlett> proposed to address GGF's community aspirations - to >get more folks >catlett> involved who would not normally already be coming to GGF. >catlett> >catlett> Thanks- >catlett> CeC >catlett> >catlett> >catlett> At 9:48 PM +0100 4/25/05, Malcolm Atkinson wrote: >catlett> >Sorry Charlie to have been so demanding - that all >looks great to me. I >catlett> >never doubted that it would be. I partly posed the >questions to see if >catlett> >the old GROC criteria (which I had used in my >judgements) were still the >catlett> >ones GFSG would support. >catlett> > >catlett> >Malcolm >catlett> > >catlett> > >catlett> > >-----Original Message----- >catlett> > >From: Charlie Catlett [mailto:catlett@mcs.anl.gov] >catlett> > >Sent: 18 April 2005 16:27 >catlett> > >To: matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp; Malcolm Atkinson >catlett> > >Cc: ccgt(a)ggf.org >catlett> > >Subject: Re: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - >catlett> > >April 5 Meeting >catlett> > > >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>mpa> I read all three workshop proposals. >catlett> > >>mpa> The questions look like the old GROC ones, >and I notice >catlett> > >that Charlie >catlett> > >>mpa> didn't answer them and that the health grid only >catlett> > >answered some of them. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Ah, sorry I didn't run the GROC approval >gauntlet correctly - we >catlett> > >spend several hours in Seoul talking about how >to get additional >catlett> > >communities engaged in GGF and this was in >direct response to that >catlett> > >GFSG discussion. I did not realize I still >needed to fill out the >catlett> > >GROC forms in triplicate. :-) >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Appended is my response to Malcolm's two (not >focused on one group; >catlett> > >publication). Here is my official GROC application form: >catlett> > > >catlett> > >A) Workshop Title >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Science Gateways: Exploring Common Interfaces, >Policies and >catlett> > >Interactions between Grid Resources and Science >Communities >catlett> > > >catlett> > >B) Proposed workshop organizer names and >affiliations (possibly >catlett> > >incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to >identify yourself if >catlett> > >you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Catlett (UC/ANL), Gannon (IU), Foster (UC/ANL), >Wilkins-Diehr (UCSD), >catlett> > >Goasguen (Purdue) >catlett> > >Have requested contacts from Tony Hey and >Satoshi Matsuoka for people >catlett> > >doing similar work elsewhere to help organize. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >C) RG/WG that will be involved (including >potential RG/WGs as >catlett> > >well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are >proposing a workshop >catlett> > >without being a full RG, please provide a >separate RG submission >catlett> > >info, including candidate RG name, charter, >area, chairs, BOF >catlett> > >descriptions, etc. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >This workshop does not involve a particular >RG/WG - it is intended to >catlett> > >bring in new communities. However, we expect >that some from the Life >catlett> > >Sciences RG and GCE RG will participate. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of >the workshop >catlett> > >description to be put on the program. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Provided already >catlett> > > >catlett> > >E) Potential speakers for type one >(invited( and possibly two >catlett> > >workshops. Any additional info are welcome >including the title of the >catlett> > >talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed >program may be put >catlett> > >here. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >We will have 4-6 presentations from people who >are building, or have >catlett> > >built, science gateways (portals or application >software that >catlett> > >provides Grid resources to scientists). Three >will be from the >catlett> > >TeraGrid project, three from other projects as >we find them (we are >catlett> > >actively seeking). >catlett> > > >catlett> > >There will be 4-6 presentations regarding key >technology/policy >catlett> > >issues such as authentication and authorization, >web services >catlett> > >implementation strategies, etc. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >F) Past History of hosting a similar >workshop inside or >catlett> > >outside GGF. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Catlett, Foster and Gannon have pretty good track record >catlett> > >right there... >catlett> > > >catlett> > >G) Duration of workshop - half day (2-3 >slots incl. Breaks) or >catlett> > >whole day (4-5 slots) >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Whole day >catlett> > > >catlett> > >H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Unsure - probably 100-150 >catlett> > > >catlett> > >I) Publication Plans --- please indicate >if you have plan to >catlett> > >publish the workshop result with a certain >publisher. If left out we >catlett> > >will assume that the workshop product will be a >GGF Informational >catlett> > >Document. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >GGF informational >catlett> > > >catlett> > > >catlett> > >CeC >catlett> > > >catlett> > >>Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:50:08 -0500 >catlett> > >>To: matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp, Charlie Catlett ><catlett(a)mcs.anl.gov>, >catlett> > >>Dennis Gannon <gannon(a)cs.indiana.edu> >catlett> > >>From: Charlie Catlett <catlett(a)mcs.anl.gov> >catlett> > >>Subject: Re: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background >catlett> > >>Cc: matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt(a)ggf.org >catlett> > >>Bcc: >catlett> > >>X-Attachments: >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>Hi- >catlett> > >>The purpose of the workshop is to bring >together folks who are >catlett> > >>trying to bring Grid capabilities to a >particular science community >catlett> > >>(atmospheric scientists, chemists, >bioinformatics folks, etc.), and >catlett> > >>who are looking to use web services and/or web >portals to do so. I >catlett> > >>am seeing these communities moving out ahead of >GGF or the "grid" >catlett> > >>experts or "portal" experts. This is creating >a danger that those >catlett> > >>of us running Grids or Grid resources will have >a chaotic situation >catlett> > >>where our key commmunities will each want to >set up an ad-hoc >catlett> > >>interaction mode with us to serve their >communities. One will want >catlett> > >>to use group accounts and another will want to >install a custom >catlett> > >>daemon on our machines. Another will want to >use web services and >catlett> > >>another will want .NET. >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>The draft I circulated was a first cut at >understanding what 10 >catlett> > >>communities are trying to build, and all ten >want to access Grid >catlett> > >>resources in TeraGrid. Some are also building >their own Grids, and >catlett> > >>all would like to also access Grid resources in >the UK or Japan. >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>The idea of this workshop is to bring these >consumers together with >catlett> > >>one another and with producers to see if there >are some things we >catlett> > >>might agree on that can be implemented to nudge >them toward some >catlett> > >>common solutions. Now, some TeraGrid folks >have made some headway >catlett> > >>in looking at this and I would like to broaden >that discussion to >catlett> > >>others who are doing similar things (or should >be). To this end I >catlett> > >>asked Tony Hey last week to put me in touch >with the right person or >catlett> > >>persons from the UK, and would like similar >contacts from Japan >catlett> > >>(Satoshi please suggest) and elsewhere. >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>I don't see this as a TeraGrid-centric activity >- we don't need GGF >catlett> > >>to do that. We need GGF to help us broaden the >effort by helping us >catlett> > >>reach other communities. >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>So I would expect to do a call for >participation not to the producer >catlett> > >>community (GCE-RG, GGF typical producer >population, portal experts), >catlett> > >>though it would be good for them to >participate, but to the consumer >catlett> > >>community. I.e. those who don't really care >that much about >catlett> > >>standards or web services or grid technology >other than that they >catlett> > >>want to use them to serve their customers doing science. >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>The draft I circulated would be used to >structure the workshop, get >catlett> > >>input from more consumer groups, get producer >groups to talk about >catlett> > >>how they are addressing these issues, and then >update the document >catlett> > >>as a GGF informational document. >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>CeC >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>At 2:21 AM +0900 4/10/05, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: >catlett> > >>>Charlie, Dennis, >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>I agree on its viability, but still Malcolm's >concern that it be a >catlett> > >>>TeraGrid-only centric event will have to be >considered. Here is a >catlett> > >>>(form) letter, >catlett> > >>>and with proper fulfillment of the workshop >template and widespread >catlett> > >>>solicitation to key portal groups in EU as >well as AP, hopefully the >catlett> > >>>concern will be addressed. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>(form letter is attached below) >catlett> > >>> > Satoshi >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>---- >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500 >catlett> > >>>Charlie Catlett <catlett(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>catlett> Friends- >catlett> > >>>catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding >this workshop >catlett> > >mentioned a group >catlett> > >>>catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document >catlett> > >drafted in March I >catlett> > >>>catlett> wanted to send it to you. It's very >preliminary, >catlett> > >but it shows that >catlett> > >>>catlett> the group is serious and already getting work >catlett> > >done. I expect an >catlett> > >>>catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks >catlett> > >since it was discussed >catlett> > >>>catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the >catlett> > >TeraGrid all-hands >catlett> > >>>catlett> meeting earlier this week. I think >this workshop >catlett> > >will be very >catlett> > >>>catlett> important to the community. My hope >is that it will bring >catlett> > >>>in some of >catlett> > >>>catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community >catlett> > >including people who are: >catlett> > >>>catlett> >catlett> > >>>catlett> - building portals for scientific communities >catlett> > >>>catlett> - implementing web services on resources in >catlett> > >operational grids >catlett> > >>>catlett> - developing operational policies and >mechanisms >catlett> > >for varying degrees >catlett> > >>>catlett> of authorization (from full access >shell accounts >catlett> > >to restricted >catlett> > >>>catlett> service invocations) based on varying >degrees of >catlett> > >>>authentication (from >catlett> > >>>catlett> highly trusted authentication to >anonymous access) >catlett> > >>>catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work >together, etc. >catlett> > >>>catlett> >catlett> > >>>catlett> CeC >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>----- >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Charlie, Dennis, >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the >workshop proposal >catlett> > >>>"Science Gateways Portals Workshop". >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>I am sending this email as the current GROC >co-chair and >catlett> > >also on behalf >catlett> > >>>of the newly proposed community council. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to >catlett> > >strengthen the >catlett> > >>>community activities, the GFSG and the >proposed community council >catlett> > >>>therein will be taking active responsibility >in workshop >catlett> > >oversight. In >catlett> > >>>the light of this we have decided to provide >active dialogs to the >catlett> > >>>workshop organizers to help strengthen the >organizational process as >catlett> > >>>well as its exterior outreach. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Please re-distribute this email to other >organizers as well >catlett> > >as anybody >catlett> > >>>else involved in your workshop organization. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the >catlett> > >process by sending >catlett> > >>>you comment(s) already made. As you see, >although you have solid >catlett> > >>>backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, >catlett> > >nevertheless as you >catlett> > >>>see the comments below indicate that there is room for >catlett> > >improvement in >catlett> > >>>the proposal. I hope you could make the >initial revisions >catlett> > >by reflect the >catlett> > >>>comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) >catlett> > >community council >catlett> > >>>the revised version in about a week's time >(around April >catlett> > >15th). In the >catlett> > >>>meantime as additional comments come along, >which will be >catlett> > >forwarded to >catlett> > >>>you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and >if you make >catlett> > >improvements >catlett> > >>>as well, please let us know where you would >like to do so. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Also please note that the primary intention >for this is that we will >catlett> > >>>want to allow some of the workshop to be a >catlett> > >>>academically viable and recognizable activity >from not only >catlett> > >within the >catlett> > >>>Grid community but from other CS communities. >Thus, we would like >catlett> > >>>to push on external communication of the >workshop, both in terms of >catlett> > >>>the content as well as the viability of its >organizational >catlett> > >manners. It >catlett> > >>>is NOT intended to increase bureacratic >stronghold of GFSG and the >catlett> > >>>community council therein over the research groups. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>To quote one community council member: "I am passionate >catlett> > >about the high >catlett> > >>>value of good workshops: they stimulate, they >inform, they build >catlett> > >>>communities, they cross-fertilise and they >recognise the >catlett> > >need for new >catlett> > >>>lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF >would drift >catlett> > >towards narrow >catlett> > >>>technical nit-picking standards. The value of >workshops is much >catlett> > >>>diminished if the only effects are on those at the >catlett> > >workshop. Hence the >catlett> > >>>demand for publication and publicity." >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>I hope the new (proposed) community council >can fruitfully >catlett> > >work with the >catlett> > >>>workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, >to have you >catlett> > >host a high-quality >catlett> > >>>and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the >catlett> > >>>revised proposal as well as the workshop >itself. Thanks. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>> Best Regards, >catlett> > >>> Satoshi Matsuoka >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Comment 1: >catlett> > >>>=== >catlett> > >>>The Science Portals workshop looks a good >topic, and we can >catlett> > >trust Dennis >catlett> > >>>and Charlie will run an excellent workshop. >However, we >catlett> > >need to take >catlett> > >>>care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred >or US centred. >catlett> > > We should >catlett> > >>>see others, from Asian grids and European >grids engaged in >catlett> > >planning / >catlett> > >>>presenting IMHO. I can find some, but the >recent week on >catlett> > >portals at eSI >catlett> > >>>led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names >catlett> > >>>>(http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549) >catlett> > >>>particularly UK ones. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from >Catania, bringing >catlett> > >experience >catlett> > >>>on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera >catlett> > >>><roberto.barbera(a)ct.infn.it> >https://genius.ct.infn.it/. >catlett> > >We have used >catlett> > >>>it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA) >for new user community >catlett> > >>>induction. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>What is the planned model of communication? >What should it >catlett> > >not clash >catlett> > >>>with? ... >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting >catlett> > >questions answered >catlett> > >>>and publication plan. >catlett> > >>>=== >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Comment 2 (general): >catlett> > >>>=== >catlett> > >>>I think we might encourage more substantial publication >catlett> > >such as journal >catlett> > >>>special issues so as to give greater credit to >(academic) >catlett> > >participants >catlett> > >>>However in general I think we should let each >workshop make >catlett> > >its choice as >catlett> > >>>"external outreach, publication and publicity" >which should exist in >catlett> > >>>some fashion >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>=== >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Comment 3: (Satoshi) >catlett> > >>>=== >catlett> > >>>There are several groups in AP working on >"Science Gateway" Portals, >catlett> > >>>including those in Japan and Korea, and those >should be contacted. >catlett> > >>>For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and >catlett> > >NAREGI's WP3/6 are >catlett> > >>>working on high-level portals interface. >Korea's K* Grid has several >catlett> > >>>efforts in those regard. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught >catlett> > >pragma, with help >catlett> > >>>from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. By all means it is >catlett> > >important to make >catlett> > >>>the intentions clear so that not all the Grid >portals on >catlett> > >earth will try >catlett> > >>>to participate and ask for a time slot. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>--------- >catlett> > > >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor >Global Scientific Information and Computing Center > & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences >Tokyo Institute of Technology >Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan >Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu(a)acm.org, >matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp > >

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RE: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - April 5 Meeting
by Malcolm Atkinson 30 Apr '05

30 Apr '05

Sorry Charlie to have been so demanding - that all looks great to me. I never doubted that it would be. I partly posed the questions to see if the old GROC criteria (which I had used in my judgements) were still the ones GFSG would support. Malcolm >-----Original Message----- >From: Charlie Catlett [mailto:catlett@mcs.anl.gov] >Sent: 18 April 2005 16:27 >To: matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp; Malcolm Atkinson >Cc: ccgt(a)ggf.org >Subject: Re: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - >April 5 Meeting > >> >>mpa> I read all three workshop proposals. >>mpa> The questions look like the old GROC ones, and I notice >that Charlie >>mpa> didn't answer them and that the health grid only >answered some of them. > >Ah, sorry I didn't run the GROC approval gauntlet correctly - we >spend several hours in Seoul talking about how to get additional >communities engaged in GGF and this was in direct response to that >GFSG discussion. I did not realize I still needed to fill out the >GROC forms in triplicate. :-) > >Appended is my response to Malcolm's two (not focused on one group; >publication). Here is my official GROC application form: > >A) Workshop Title > >Science Gateways: Exploring Common Interfaces, Policies and >Interactions between Grid Resources and Science Communities > >B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly >incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if >you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. > >Catlett (UC/ANL), Gannon (IU), Foster (UC/ANL), Wilkins-Diehr (UCSD), >Goasguen (Purdue) >Have requested contacts from Tony Hey and Satoshi Matsuoka for people >doing similar work elsewhere to help organize. > >C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as >well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop >without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission >info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF >descriptions, etc. > >This workshop does not involve a particular RG/WG - it is intended to >bring in new communities. However, we expect that some from the Life >Sciences RG and GCE RG will participate. > >D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop >description to be put on the program. > >Provided already > >E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two >workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the >talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put >here. > >We will have 4-6 presentations from people who are building, or have >built, science gateways (portals or application software that >provides Grid resources to scientists). Three will be from the >TeraGrid project, three from other projects as we find them (we are >actively seeking). > >There will be 4-6 presentations regarding key technology/policy >issues such as authentication and authorization, web services >implementation strategies, etc. > >F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or >outside GGF. > >Catlett, Foster and Gannon have pretty good track record >right there... > >G) Duration of workshop - half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or >whole day (4-5 slots) > >Whole day > >H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) > >Unsure - probably 100-150 > >I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to >publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we >will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational >Document. > >GGF informational > > >CeC > >>Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:50:08 -0500 >>To: matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp, Charlie Catlett <catlett(a)mcs.anl.gov>, >>Dennis Gannon <gannon(a)cs.indiana.edu> >>From: Charlie Catlett <catlett(a)mcs.anl.gov> >>Subject: Re: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background >>Cc: matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt(a)ggf.org >>Bcc: >>X-Attachments: >> >>Hi- >>The purpose of the workshop is to bring together folks who are >>trying to bring Grid capabilities to a particular science community >>(atmospheric scientists, chemists, bioinformatics folks, etc.), and >>who are looking to use web services and/or web portals to do so. I >>am seeing these communities moving out ahead of GGF or the "grid" >>experts or "portal" experts. This is creating a danger that those >>of us running Grids or Grid resources will have a chaotic situation >>where our key commmunities will each want to set up an ad-hoc >>interaction mode with us to serve their communities. One will want >>to use group accounts and another will want to install a custom >>daemon on our machines. Another will want to use web services and >>another will want .NET. >> >>The draft I circulated was a first cut at understanding what 10 >>communities are trying to build, and all ten want to access Grid >>resources in TeraGrid. Some are also building their own Grids, and >>all would like to also access Grid resources in the UK or Japan. >> >>The idea of this workshop is to bring these consumers together with >>one another and with producers to see if there are some things we >>might agree on that can be implemented to nudge them toward some >>common solutions. Now, some TeraGrid folks have made some headway >>in looking at this and I would like to broaden that discussion to >>others who are doing similar things (or should be). To this end I >>asked Tony Hey last week to put me in touch with the right person or >>persons from the UK, and would like similar contacts from Japan >>(Satoshi please suggest) and elsewhere. >> >>I don't see this as a TeraGrid-centric activity - we don't need GGF >>to do that. We need GGF to help us broaden the effort by helping us >>reach other communities. >> >>So I would expect to do a call for participation not to the producer >>community (GCE-RG, GGF typical producer population, portal experts), >>though it would be good for them to participate, but to the consumer >>community. I.e. those who don't really care that much about >>standards or web services or grid technology other than that they >>want to use them to serve their customers doing science. >> >>The draft I circulated would be used to structure the workshop, get >>input from more consumer groups, get producer groups to talk about >>how they are addressing these issues, and then update the document >>as a GGF informational document. >> >> >>CeC >> >>At 2:21 AM +0900 4/10/05, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: >>>Charlie, Dennis, >>> >>>I agree on its viability, but still Malcolm's concern that it be a >>>TeraGrid-only centric event will have to be considered. Here is a >>>(form) letter, >>>and with proper fulfillment of the workshop template and widespread >>>solicitation to key portal groups in EU as well as AP, hopefully the >>>concern will be addressed. >>> >>>(form letter is attached below) >>> Satoshi >>> >>>---- >>> >>>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500 >>>Charlie Catlett <catlett(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: >>> >>>catlett> Friends- >>>catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding this workshop >mentioned a group >>>catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document >drafted in March I >>>catlett> wanted to send it to you. It's very preliminary, >but it shows that >>>catlett> the group is serious and already getting work >done. I expect an >>>catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks >since it was discussed >>>catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the >TeraGrid all-hands >>>catlett> meeting earlier this week. I think this workshop >will be very >>>catlett> important to the community. My hope is that it will bring >>>in some of >>>catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community >including people who are: >>>catlett> >>>catlett> - building portals for scientific communities >>>catlett> - implementing web services on resources in >operational grids >>>catlett> - developing operational policies and mechanisms >for varying degrees >>>catlett> of authorization (from full access shell accounts >to restricted >>>catlett> service invocations) based on varying degrees of >>>authentication (from >>>catlett> highly trusted authentication to anonymous access) >>>catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work together, etc. >>>catlett> >>>catlett> CeC >>> >>>----- >>> >>>Charlie, Dennis, >>> >>>Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal >>>"Science Gateways Portals Workshop". >>> >>>I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and >also on behalf >>>of the newly proposed community council. >>> >>>As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to >strengthen the >>>community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council >>>therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop >oversight. In >>>the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the >>>workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as >>>well as its exterior outreach. >>> >>>Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well >as anybody >>>else involved in your workshop organization. >>> >>>Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the >process by sending >>>you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid >>>backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, >nevertheless as you >>>see the comments below indicate that there is room for >improvement in >>>the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions >by reflect the >>>comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) >community council >>>the revised version in about a week's time (around April >15th). In the >>>meantime as additional comments come along, which will be >forwarded to >>>you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make >improvements >>>as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. >>> >>>Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will >>>want to allow some of the workshop to be a >>>academically viable and recognizable activity from not only >within the >>>Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like >>>to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of >>>the content as well as the viability of its organizational >manners. It >>>is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the >>>community council therein over the research groups. >>> >>>To quote one community council member: "I am passionate >about the high >>>value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build >>>communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the >need for new >>>lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift >towards narrow >>>technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much >>>diminished if the only effects are on those at the >workshop. Hence the >>>demand for publication and publicity." >>> >>>I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully >work with the >>>workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you >host a high-quality >>>and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the >>>revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Satoshi Matsuoka >>> >>> >>>Comment 1: >>>=== >>>The Science Portals workshop looks a good topic, and we can >trust Dennis >>>and Charlie will run an excellent workshop. However, we >need to take >>>care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred or US centred. > We should >>>see others, from Asian grids and European grids engaged in >planning / >>>presenting IMHO. I can find some, but the recent week on >portals at eSI >>>led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names >>>(http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549) >>>particularly UK ones. >>> >>>I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from Catania, bringing >experience >>>on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera >>><roberto.barbera(a)ct.infn.it> https://genius.ct.infn.it/. >We have used >>>it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA) for new user community >>>induction. >>> >>>What is the planned model of communication? What should it >not clash >>>with? ... >>> >>>I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting >questions answered >>>and publication plan. >>>=== >>> >>>Comment 2 (general): >>>=== >>>I think we might encourage more substantial publication >such as journal >>>special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) >participants >>>However in general I think we should let each workshop make >its choice as >>>"external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in >>>some fashion >>> >>>=== >>> >>>Comment 3: (Satoshi) >>>=== >>>There are several groups in AP working on "Science Gateway" Portals, >>>including those in Japan and Korea, and those should be contacted. >>>For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and >NAREGI's WP3/6 are >>>working on high-level portals interface. Korea's K* Grid has several >>>efforts in those regard. >>> >>>Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught >pragma, with help >>>from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. By all means it is >important to make >>>the intentions clear so that not all the Grid portals on >earth will try >>>to participate and ask for a time slot. >>> >>>--------- > >

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Fwd: [gfsg] Need response from AD's
by Julie Wulf-Knoerzer 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

We'd also like to do a Community poster. Your one-page area charters would be helpful in developing this (as well as the Community Participation Guide which we'd like to have ready by GGF14). Can you please give me an indication of when I can expect to see these? Thanks again, Julie >Delivered-To: grdfm-gfsg-outgoing(a)mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov >X-Original-To: grdfm-gfsg(a)mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov >Delivered-To: grdfm-gfsg(a)mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov >X-Sender: scrumb(a)smtp.mcs.anl.gov >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 >Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:56:42 -0500 >To: gfsg(a)ggf.org >From: Steve Crumb <scrumb(a)ggf.org> >Subject: [gfsg] Need response from AD's >X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at >mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov >Sender: owner-gfsg(a)ggf.org >X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at >mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov > >All, > >This is the second request for content for our new Area posters and Area >pages. I need two things: > >1. One brief line describing your Area for the re-print of the Area poster >2. A brief (2-4 line) paragraph describing your Area for the new Area pages. > >I go to print on May 20, so having something by May 13 would be very >helpful. Earlier is even better! > >Olle, I've got yours, so Security is done. > >Thanks, > > >Steve Crumb >Executive Director, Global Grid Forum >+1 630-252-8610 (Office) >+1 630-915-3324 (Cell) >scrumb(a)ggf.org +++++++++++++++++++ ***New contact information as of 16-Feb*** Julie Wulf-Knoerzer Manager of Community Development wulf(a)ggf.org ph. 630/252-7163 fax 630/252-4466

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More on the NextGRID workshop submission
by Julie Wulf-Knoerzer 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

>Subject: RE: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF >Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:19:20 +0100 >X-MS-Has-Attach: >X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: >Thread-Topic: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF >Thread-Index: AcVAazcZLlsW2AOTTg6IPsIYWWnJOQG1S9DAAFs/UJA= >From: "Malcolm Atkinson" <mpa(a)nesc.ac.uk> >To: <diana(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk>, "Ann M. Collins" <collins(a)ggf.org>, > "Julie Wulf-Knoerzer" <wulf(a)ggf.org>, "Steve Crumb" <scrumb(a)ggf.org>, > <communities(a)ggf.org>, "Alan Blatecky" <blatecky(a)unc.edu> >Cc: "Malcolm Atkinson" <mpa(a)nesc.ac.uk>, > "David Snelling" <David.Snelling(a)uk.fujitsu.com>, > "Mark Sawyer (Mark Sawyer)" <m.sawyer(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk>, > "FrancisWray" <frannie(a)large.demon.co.uk>, <neilc(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk> >X-NeSC-Spam-Score: -104.954 () >ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00,DEAR_SOMETHING,USER_IN_WHITELIST >X-NeSC-Sender-Domain: nesc.ac.uk >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 129.215.30.10 >X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at >mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov > >Dear GGFers & NexctGRIDers, > >I talked briefly to Alan Blatecky at the EGEE conferrence in Athens, >telling him about this proposed workshop. He said that he was willing >to be involved. At that time I described it as looking for best >practice in developing working relationships between projects and GGF. > >There was also a suggestion at Athens that EGEE also submit a workshop >for GGF14. I suggested that EGEE contribute to this proposed workshop >and then contribute to a workshop at GGF15. > >Malcolm > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Diana Engesser [mailto:dengesse@staffmail.ed.ac.uk] > >Sent: 22 April 2005 17:02 > >To: 'Ann M. Collins'; 'Julie Wulf-Knoerzer'; 'Steve Crumb'; > >communities(a)ggf.org > >Cc: Malcolm Atkinson; 'David Snelling'; Mark Sawyer (Mark > >Sawyer); 'FrancisWray'; neilc(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk > >Subject: RE: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID > >workshop at GGF > > > >Dear Anne, Julie and Steve, > > > >Please find attached the proposal for a workshop at GGF 14 > >with the title > >"Why, how and when to invest in working with GGF"- Improving > >Interaction > >between Grid Standards and Projects. This workshop would be > >organised and > >held by the NextGRID project [www.nextgrid.org] in which my colleagues > >Malcolm Atkinson, Dave Snelling, Mark Parsons and Neil Chue > >Hong are also > >involved. Please let me know if the information we provide is > >sufficient or > >if you need any more details to be able to consider our proposal. > > > >Best Regards, > > > >Diana > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Ann M. Collins [mailto:collins@ggf.org] > >Sent: 13 April 2005 21:56 > >To: 'Diana' > >Cc: office(a)ggf.org > >Subject: RE: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID > >workshop at GGF > > > >Dear Diana, > >I need some clarification on what you are proposing. Are you > >proposing a > >workshop for GGF14 or will NextGRID simply be holding a > >workshop directly > >following GGF14? Any clarification you can give me would > >help point you in > >the right direction. > >Best, > >Ann > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Ann M. Collins > >Director, Events & Conferences > >Global Grid Forum > >Tel: +1-630-252-4679 > >Fax: +1-630-252-4466 > >Mobile: +1-630-715-1943 > >Mail to: collins(a)ggf.org > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-ggf-office(a)ggf.org > >[mailto:owner-ggf-office@ggf.org] On Behalf > >Of Diana > >Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:20 AM > >To: office(a)ggf.org > >Subject: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF > > > > > >Dear Sir or Madam, > > > >We from the NextGRID project would possibly like to hold a co-located > >workshop during the next GGF. Prof Malcolm Atkinson is > >involved in NextGRID > >as are my colleague Neil Chue Hong and Mark Parsons. Could > >you advise me how > >to go about this? We don't have a specific title yet(likely > >something on > >security or workflow or SLA+QoS) and I am unsure about costs > >involved etc. I > >would appreciate any information you could give me. > > > >Best Regards, > > > >Diana Engesser > > > >PS: I have also sent my query to your colleague Anne Collins > >a while ago but > >have not heard anything. > > > > > >-------------------------------- > > > >Diana Engesser > >NextGRID Dissemination Manager > > > >EPCC > >The University of Edinburgh > >James Clerk Maxwell Building > >Mayfield Road > >EH9 3JZ Edinburgh > >UK > > > >Tel.: ++ 44 131 650 5077 > >Fax.: ++ 44 131 650 6555 > > > >Email: D.Engesser(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk > > > >www.epcc.ed.ac.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++ ***New contact information as of 16-Feb*** Julie Wulf-Knoerzer Manager of Community Development wulf(a)ggf.org ph. 630/252-7163 fax 630/252-4466

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Fwd: RE: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF
by Julie Wulf-Knoerzer 22 Apr '05

22 Apr '05

Hi all, Attached, please find a GGF14 workshop proposal from the NextGRID team. Also - I only received one response to last week's note asking for expected completion dates of your area charter docs. Please let me know asap when I can expect to see these. Thanks! Julie >X-Greylist: delayed 2357 seconds by postgrey-1.17 at >mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:45:03 CDT >Reply-To: <diana(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk> >From: "Diana Engesser" <dengesse(a)staffmail.ed.ac.uk> >To: "'Ann M. Collins'" <collins(a)ggf.org>, > "'Julie Wulf-Knoerzer'" <wulf(a)ggf.org>, "'Steve Crumb'" <scrumb(a)ggf.org>, > <communities(a)ggf.org> >Cc: "'Malcolm Atkinson'" <mpa(a)nesc.ac.uk>, > "'David Snelling'" <David.Snelling(a)uk.fujitsu.com>, > "Mark Sawyer (Mark Sawyer)" <m.sawyer(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk>, > "'FrancisWray'" <frannie(a)large.demon.co.uk>, <neilc(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk> >Subject: RE: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF >Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:02:22 +0100 >Organization: EPCC >X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 >Thread-Index: AcVAazcZLlsW2AOTTg6IPsIYWWnJOQG1S9DA >X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lawnmarket.ucs.ed.ac.uk > with MIMEDefang 2.33, Sophie 3.04rc1, Sophos Anti-Virus 3.91 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) >X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at >mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov > >Dear Anne, Julie and Steve, > >Please find attached the proposal for a workshop at GGF 14 with the title >"Why, how and when to invest in working with GGF"- Improving Interaction >between Grid Standards and Projects. This workshop would be organised and >held by the NextGRID project [www.nextgrid.org] in which my colleagues >Malcolm Atkinson, Dave Snelling, Mark Parsons and Neil Chue Hong are also >involved. Please let me know if the information we provide is sufficient or >if you need any more details to be able to consider our proposal. > >Best Regards, > >Diana > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ann M. Collins [mailto:collins@ggf.org] >Sent: 13 April 2005 21:56 >To: 'Diana' >Cc: office(a)ggf.org >Subject: RE: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF > >Dear Diana, >I need some clarification on what you are proposing. Are you proposing a >workshop for GGF14 or will NextGRID simply be holding a workshop directly >following GGF14? Any clarification you can give me would help point you in >the right direction. >Best, >Ann > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Ann M. Collins >Director, Events & Conferences >Global Grid Forum >Tel: +1-630-252-4679 >Fax: +1-630-252-4466 >Mobile: +1-630-715-1943 >Mail to: collins(a)ggf.org > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-ggf-office(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-ggf-office@ggf.org] On Behalf >Of Diana >Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:20 AM >To: office(a)ggf.org >Subject: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF > > >Dear Sir or Madam, > >We from the NextGRID project would possibly like to hold a co-located >workshop during the next GGF. Prof Malcolm Atkinson is involved in NextGRID >as are my colleague Neil Chue Hong and Mark Parsons. Could you advise me how >to go about this? We don't have a specific title yet(likely something on >security or workflow or SLA+QoS) and I am unsure about costs involved etc. I >would appreciate any information you could give me. > >Best Regards, > >Diana Engesser > >PS: I have also sent my query to your colleague Anne Collins a while ago but >have not heard anything. > > >-------------------------------- > >Diana Engesser >NextGRID Dissemination Manager > >EPCC >The University of Edinburgh >James Clerk Maxwell Building >Mayfield Road >EH9 3JZ Edinburgh >UK > >Tel.: ++ 44 131 650 5077 >Fax.: ++ 44 131 650 6555 > >Email: D.Engesser(a)epcc.ed.ac.uk > >www.epcc.ed.ac.uk > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++ ***New contact information as of 16-Feb*** Julie Wulf-Knoerzer Manager of Community Development wulf(a)ggf.org ph. 630/252-7163 fax 630/252-4466

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On your GGF14 workshop application
by Satoshi Matsuoka 20 Apr '05

20 Apr '05

Thilo, Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal "Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users". I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf of the newly proposed community council. As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as well as its exterior outreach. Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody else involved in your workshop organization. Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, nevertheless as you see the comments below indicate that there is room for improvement in the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions by reflect the comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) community council the revised version in about a week's time (around April 15th). In the meantime as additional comments come along, which will be forwarded to you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make improvements as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will want to allow some of the workshop to be a academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. It is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the community council therein over the research groups. To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the demand for publication and publicity." I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you host a high-quality and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. Best Regards, Satoshi Matsuoka Comment 1: === The APPS-WG has run excellent workshops at past GGF. (However, in comparison) this one does not seem to be clearly described - it has a reasonable planned content I think, but it isn't easy to read and understand - and the breadth of its organiser / acceptance panel is not yet defined. I would back them on their track record, but push them to edit and update the proposal. === Comment 2: === The report from the last workshop held at GGF12, GGF13 etc. should be in the works. At least there should be some "evidence" that such are being worked upon. === Comment 3 (general): === I think we might encourage more substantial publication such as journal special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) participants However in general I think we should let each workshop make its choice as "external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in some fashion === Comment 4: While the exact details of this workshop proposal may not be complete, e.g., the candidates for a program committee, the concept and goals for the workshop are IMHO rather clear. Certainly in Thilo's case, a long, written proposal with the 'i's dotted and 't's crossed is less critical since he has an absolutely solid track record for organizing GGF workshops. Nonetheless, we could emphasize some issues for the future (but not necessarily just for this proposal): 1) Try to get the workshops organized as early as possible, that is to say, get a draft or partial program committee put together prior to making the proposal. 2) Maximize external visibility. Besides just the GGF-Info doc, I'm sure that Thilo would be very receptive to the suggestion of trying to organize a journal special issue from the workshop. === Comment 5: (Satoshi) Balancing the comments above with the rather short time available to organize workshops for GGF14, Thilo should not be felt pressured to make full journal publications for this workshop (of course if there is that would be great). What we should also do is to make sure that, as organization of the workshop gets more solidified (and probably rather quickly), make sure that the GGF office and Thilo sync with each other frequently so that anything about the workshop presense that has external visibility (external calls, programs, publication plans etc.) will be updated very quickly as refinements occur. --------- A) Workshop Title Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users We are intending a type two (refereed workshop) B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. Thilo Kielmann, Vrije Universiteit, Co-Chair APPS-RG Thomas Hinke, NASA AMES, Co-Chair APPS-RG Laura McGinnis, PSC, Co-chair PGM-RG (to become PGS-RG) David Wallom, Bristol Univ, designated Co-chair PGS-RG Full reviewing committee to be announced soon. C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc. APPS-RG PGS-RG (currently PGM-RG) D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop description to be put on the program. In this workshop, we aim at experience with bridging the gap between early adopters of grids and the more mainstream use of grid technology. Currently, for the most part grids are on the early adopter side of the gap, asking for the move to the more mainstream users. Here, applications are the key. We are seeking experience from early adoptors who would like to become mainstream users, from mainstream users who would like to use grids, from those who already do, and from middleware developers and system operators in charge of providing grid working environments to user communities. We are seeking contributions on the following topics: - user experience with early-adoptor and/or mainstream grid applications - management approaches for production-quality grid environments - techniques for robust (fault tolerant) grid applications and middleware - software tools for automatic testing and signaling of error conditions Our focus is on hands-on experience with existing grid environments, focusing on bridging the gap between early adoption and production use. E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here. Potential speakers come from major grid projects, from grid user communities, and from grid service operators. We seek to enrich the program by an opening keynote presentation and a final panel discussion. A candidate for the keynote could be Steven Newhouse from OMII, talking about his user survey among UK E-science users. F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF. Prior to GGF5 in Glasgow: NeSC Workshop on Applications and Testbeds on the Grid organized by APPS-RG and GUS-RG (just prior to GGF5) At GGF7 in Tokyo: Applications workshop: What can be achieved with today's Grid technology (and what cannot)? organized by APPS-RG At GGF8 in Seattle: Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools organized by APPS-RG and UPDT-RG Workshop on Tools For Grid Management organized by PGM-RG At GGF10 in Berlin: Workshop on Case Studies on Grid Applications organized by APPS-RG, UPDT-RG, GUS-RG, and PGM-RG At GGF11 in Honolulu: Semantic Grid Applications Workshop organized by APPS-RG and SEM-GRD Management of Grid Services in Production Grids organized by PGM-RG At GGF12 in Brussels: Workshop on Grid Application Programming Interfaces organized by APPS-RG with DRMAA-WG, GridRPC-WG, SAGA-RG At GGF13 in Soul: The Usable Grid organized by APPS-RG G) Duration of workshop (half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole day (4-5 slots) whole day H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) 50-70 I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational Document. We plan to publish a proceedings volume in form of a GGF Informational Document. --------------------- Original Message Ends -------------------- Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor Global Scientific Information and Computing Center & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences Tokyo Institute of Technology Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu(a)acm.org, matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp

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Re: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - April 5 Meeting
by Charlie Catlett 18 Apr '05

18 Apr '05

> >mpa> I read all three workshop proposals. >mpa> The questions look like the old GROC ones, and I notice that Charlie >mpa> didn't answer them and that the health grid only answered some of them. Ah, sorry I didn't run the GROC approval gauntlet correctly - we spend several hours in Seoul talking about how to get additional communities engaged in GGF and this was in direct response to that GFSG discussion. I did not realize I still needed to fill out the GROC forms in triplicate. :-) Appended is my response to Malcolm's two (not focused on one group; publication). Here is my official GROC application form: A) Workshop Title Science Gateways: Exploring Common Interfaces, Policies and Interactions between Grid Resources and Science Communities B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. Catlett (UC/ANL), Gannon (IU), Foster (UC/ANL), Wilkins-Diehr (UCSD), Goasguen (Purdue) Have requested contacts from Tony Hey and Satoshi Matsuoka for people doing similar work elsewhere to help organize. C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc. This workshop does not involve a particular RG/WG - it is intended to bring in new communities. However, we expect that some from the Life Sciences RG and GCE RG will participate. D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop description to be put on the program. Provided already E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here. We will have 4-6 presentations from people who are building, or have built, science gateways (portals or application software that provides Grid resources to scientists). Three will be from the TeraGrid project, three from other projects as we find them (we are actively seeking). There will be 4-6 presentations regarding key technology/policy issues such as authentication and authorization, web services implementation strategies, etc. F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF. Catlett, Foster and Gannon have pretty good track record right there... G) Duration of workshop - half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole day (4-5 slots) Whole day H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) Unsure - probably 100-150 I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational Document. GGF informational CeC >Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:50:08 -0500 >To: matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp, Charlie Catlett <catlett(a)mcs.anl.gov>, >Dennis Gannon <gannon(a)cs.indiana.edu> >From: Charlie Catlett <catlett(a)mcs.anl.gov> >Subject: Re: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background >Cc: matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt(a)ggf.org >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Hi- >The purpose of the workshop is to bring together folks who are >trying to bring Grid capabilities to a particular science community >(atmospheric scientists, chemists, bioinformatics folks, etc.), and >who are looking to use web services and/or web portals to do so. I >am seeing these communities moving out ahead of GGF or the "grid" >experts or "portal" experts. This is creating a danger that those >of us running Grids or Grid resources will have a chaotic situation >where our key commmunities will each want to set up an ad-hoc >interaction mode with us to serve their communities. One will want >to use group accounts and another will want to install a custom >daemon on our machines. Another will want to use web services and >another will want .NET. > >The draft I circulated was a first cut at understanding what 10 >communities are trying to build, and all ten want to access Grid >resources in TeraGrid. Some are also building their own Grids, and >all would like to also access Grid resources in the UK or Japan. > >The idea of this workshop is to bring these consumers together with >one another and with producers to see if there are some things we >might agree on that can be implemented to nudge them toward some >common solutions. Now, some TeraGrid folks have made some headway >in looking at this and I would like to broaden that discussion to >others who are doing similar things (or should be). To this end I >asked Tony Hey last week to put me in touch with the right person or >persons from the UK, and would like similar contacts from Japan >(Satoshi please suggest) and elsewhere. > >I don't see this as a TeraGrid-centric activity - we don't need GGF >to do that. We need GGF to help us broaden the effort by helping us >reach other communities. > >So I would expect to do a call for participation not to the producer >community (GCE-RG, GGF typical producer population, portal experts), >though it would be good for them to participate, but to the consumer >community. I.e. those who don't really care that much about >standards or web services or grid technology other than that they >want to use them to serve their customers doing science. > >The draft I circulated would be used to structure the workshop, get >input from more consumer groups, get producer groups to talk about >how they are addressing these issues, and then update the document >as a GGF informational document. > > >CeC > >At 2:21 AM +0900 4/10/05, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: >>Charlie, Dennis, >> >>I agree on its viability, but still Malcolm's concern that it be a >>TeraGrid-only centric event will have to be considered. Here is a >>(form) letter, >>and with proper fulfillment of the workshop template and widespread >>solicitation to key portal groups in EU as well as AP, hopefully the >>concern will be addressed. >> >>(form letter is attached below) >> Satoshi >> >>---- >> >>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500 >>Charlie Catlett <catlett(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: >> >>catlett> Friends- >>catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding this workshop mentioned a group >>catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document drafted in March I >>catlett> wanted to send it to you. It's very preliminary, but it shows that >>catlett> the group is serious and already getting work done. I expect an >>catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks since it was discussed >>catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the TeraGrid all-hands >>catlett> meeting earlier this week. I think this workshop will be very >>catlett> important to the community. My hope is that it will bring >>in some of >>catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community including people who are: >>catlett> >>catlett> - building portals for scientific communities >>catlett> - implementing web services on resources in operational grids >>catlett> - developing operational policies and mechanisms for varying degrees >>catlett> of authorization (from full access shell accounts to restricted >>catlett> service invocations) based on varying degrees of >>authentication (from >>catlett> highly trusted authentication to anonymous access) >>catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work together, etc. >>catlett> >>catlett> CeC >> >>----- >> >>Charlie, Dennis, >> >>Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal >>"Science Gateways Portals Workshop". >> >>I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf >>of the newly proposed community council. >> >>As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the >>community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council >>therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In >>the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the >>workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as >>well as its exterior outreach. >> >>Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody >>else involved in your workshop organization. >> >>Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending >>you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid >>backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, nevertheless as you >>see the comments below indicate that there is room for improvement in >>the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions by reflect the >>comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) community council >>the revised version in about a week's time (around April 15th). In the >>meantime as additional comments come along, which will be forwarded to >>you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make improvements >>as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. >> >>Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will >>want to allow some of the workshop to be a >>academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the >>Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like >>to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of >>the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. It >>is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the >>community council therein over the research groups. >> >>To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high >>value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build >>communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new >>lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow >>technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much >>diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the >>demand for publication and publicity." >> >>I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the >>workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you host a high-quality >>and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the >>revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. >> >> Best Regards, >> Satoshi Matsuoka >> >> >>Comment 1: >>=== >>The Science Portals workshop looks a good topic, and we can trust Dennis >>and Charlie will run an excellent workshop. However, we need to take >>care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred or US centred. We should >>see others, from Asian grids and European grids engaged in planning / >>presenting IMHO. I can find some, but the recent week on portals at eSI >>led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names >>(http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549) >>particularly UK ones. >> >>I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from Catania, bringing experience >>on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera >><roberto.barbera(a)ct.infn.it> https://genius.ct.infn.it/. We have used >>it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA) for new user community >>induction. >> >>What is the planned model of communication? What should it not clash >>with? ... >> >>I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting questions answered >>and publication plan. >>=== >> >>Comment 2 (general): >>=== >>I think we might encourage more substantial publication such as journal >>special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) participants >>However in general I think we should let each workshop make its choice as >>"external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in >>some fashion >> >>=== >> >>Comment 3: (Satoshi) >>=== >>There are several groups in AP working on "Science Gateway" Portals, >>including those in Japan and Korea, and those should be contacted. >>For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and NAREGI's WP3/6 are >>working on high-level portals interface. Korea's K* Grid has several >>efforts in those regard. >> >>Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught pragma, with help >>from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. By all means it is important to make >>the intentions clear so that not all the Grid portals on earth will try >>to participate and ask for a time slot. >> >>---------

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Community Council - Status and Action Items
by Julie Wulf-Knoerzer 16 Apr '05

16 Apr '05

Hi all, Just a brief note about Community Council status and action items: GGF14 Community Track- *Community CFP sent to GGF email lists and placed on website today. I will keep you posted on feedback we receive. Please forward to your colleagues that might not be on GGF lists as well. GGF14 Workshops- *Satoshi - have we received revised workshop proposals based on the GFSG feedback? *Craig - do you know whether the Telco group will propose a workshop or a Bof? Also, should I take the EOS/CEOS off the list of potential workshops? *I received a 'heads-up' note that the EU NextGRID project is working on a proposal entitled 'Improving Interaction between Grid Projects and Standards.' I expect to have the proposal shortly and will provide you with those details when I receive them. Charter Docs- *A reminder that you are to provide a brief charter doc for each of your areas that will be compiled into a Community Participation Guide for GGF14. Please let me know when I can expect to see this from you. Meeting Preferences- *Should the need arise for a ggf14/ggf 15 community program planning meeting (and/or to discuss other strategic CC issues) please let me know if you prefer a face-to-face meeting or meeting via the Access Grid. Your prompt response is appreciated. Thanks! Julie +++++++++++++++++++ ***New contact information as of 16-Feb*** Julie Wulf-Knoerzer Manager of Community Development wulf(a)ggf.org ph. 630/252-7163 fax 630/252-4466

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Fyi regarding external publication source for GGF papers and docs.
by Linesch, Mark 11 Apr '05

11 Apr '05

Elsevier Science is proud to announce the launching of FGCS: The Int. Journal of Grid Computing: Theory, Methods and Applications The Journal aims to publish original peer-reviewed submissions in the field of Grid and distributed computing at large. There is a strong commitment to make the turnaround time between submission, review and publication as short as possible. This way we will guarantee the timely publications in this highly dynamical field of research. We accept full papers, short communications, letters to the editor and reviews. See for the Journal Description: http://www.elsevier.com/locate/future See for the Author Gateway: http://ees.elsevier.com/fgcs/ The first 4 issues of this new Journal have already appeared; contents of these issues are available at http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/0167739X On behalf of the Elsevier Science Publishers and the Editorial board, Daniela Georgescu ********************************* Publishing Editor Physics, Mathematics, Computer Science and Astronomy Elsevier BV Radarweg 29 1043 NX Amsterdam The Netherlands ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (Please excuse us if you receive multiple copies of this mail, or if it is outside your area of research interest) If you want to have an e-mail address removed from our list, please, forward this e-mail including any routing information from that address to <rmfromdb(a)science.uva.nl> Mark Linesch l Chairman, Global Grid Forum (GGF) l Hewlett Packard mark.linesch(a)hp.com l linesch(a)ggf.org l 281-514-0322 Tel l 281-414-7082 Cell

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Science Gateways workshop background
by Charlie Catlett 11 Apr '05

11 Apr '05

Friends- Since the proposal I sent regarding this workshop mentioned a group in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document drafted in March I wanted to send it to you. It's very preliminary, but it shows that the group is serious and already getting work done. I expect an iteration on this document within a few weeks since it was discussed in great detail during several sessions of the TeraGrid all-hands meeting earlier this week. I think this workshop will be very important to the community. My hope is that it will bring in some of the less-involved sectors of the community including people who are: - building portals for scientific communities - implementing web services on resources in operational grids - developing operational policies and mechanisms for varying degrees of authorization (from full access shell accounts to restricted service invocations) based on varying degrees of authentication (from highly trusted authentication to anonymous access) - trying to make multiple grids work together, etc. CeC

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