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MEDIA: Partial List
by Matthew J Miszewski 18 Apr '93

18 Apr '93

Cypherpunks, OK a couple of things. First, this is a partial list as should be obvious by the truncation of the first entry. If and when I can find the whole and complete list I will post it. Second, I post this grudgingly realizing that some might abuse it. I do feel however that the tone of discussion on the list has been positive and intellectual enough to positively affect the cause. I realize this list is not exhaustive but it is a start. Ill work on expansion. I suggest, as have others, that we utilize one simple technology extensively - fax/fax-modems. Also remember that Washington responds to perceived PUBLIC opinion. Most people dont understand crypto much less know our names. It should appear that these comments are coming from a good cross section of the country. Finally, I agree with the poster that suggested that we put forth some spokespeople of sorts. Media types love point people rather than the horizontal structure of cypherpunks. I know we will never get total agreement on whom they should be, but I think that Tim May, John Gilmore, Eric Hughes, etc. are pretty much acceptable (They represented us eloquently in WIRED) Use the list with good intent. -------------------8<---------------8<----------------- Lane Vernardos Fax: 212 7652724 Associated Press 50 Rockefeller Plaza New York NY 10020 Phone: 212 6211600 This Week With David Brinkley 1717 De Sales St., NW Washington DC 20036 David Glodt Phone: 202 8877777 Fax: 202 8877977 CBS Evening News 524 W. 57th St. New York NY 10019 Tom Bettag Phone: 212 9753693 Fax: 212 9751519 CBS This Morning 524 W. 57th St. New York NY 10019 Eric Sorenson Phone: 212 9752824 Fax: 212 9752115 CSM Publishing Society One Norway St. Boston MA 02115 Phone: 800 2257090 One CNN Center Box 105366 Atlanta GA 30348 Phone: 404 8271500 CNN, Washington Bureau 111 Massachusetts Ave., NW Washington DC 20001 Phone: 202 8987900 Face the Nation, CBS News 2020 M St., NW Washington DC 20036 Marianne Brooks Phone: 202 4574321 Fax: 202 4666237 Good Morning America, ABC News 1965 Broadway New York NY 10023 Jack Riley Phone: 212 4961800 Fax: 212 8874724 Larry King Show, Mutual Radio 1755 S. Jefferson Davis Hwy. Arlington VA 22202 Pat Piper Phone: 703 6852175 Fax: 703 6852142 Larry King Live TV, CNN 111 Massachusetts Ave., NW Washington DC 20001 Thomas Haddad Phone: 202 8987900 Fax: 202 8987617 Los Angeles Times Times-Mirror Square Los Angeles CA 90053 Phone: 800 5281637 Fax: 213 2377679 MacNeil/Lehrer News Hour P.O. Box 2626 Washington DC 20013 Phone: 703 9982870 MacNeill/Lehrer News Hour WNET 356 W. 58th St. New York NY 10019 Les Crystal Phone: 212 5603113 Fax: 212 5817353 Meet the Press, NBC News 4001 Nebraska Ave., NW Washington DC 20016 Christie Basham Phone: 202 8854200 Fax: 202 3622009 Morning Edition, NPR 2025 M St., NW Washington DC 20036 Phone: 202 8222000 N B C Nightly News 30 Rockefeller Plaza New York NY 10112 Steven Freidman Phone: 212 6644971 Fax: 212 6646045 New York Times, DC Bureau 1627 Eye St., NW, 7th Floor Washington DC 20006 Phone: 202 8620300 New York Times 229 W. 43rd St. New York NY 10036 Phone: 212 5561234 Newsweek 444 Madison Ave. New York NY 10022 Phone: 212 3504000 Nightline, ABC News 47 W. 66th St. New York NY 10023 Dorrance Smith Phone: 212 8874995 Fax: 212 4563335 ABC News 1717 DeSales, NW Washington DC 20036 Ted Koppel Phone: 202 8877364 Public Broadcasting Service 1320 Braddock Pl. Alexandria VA 22314 Phone: 704 7395000 Time Magazine, DC Bureau Washington DC 20001 Mr. Cloud, Bureau Chief Phone: 202 8614000 Time Warner, Inc. Time Life Bldg. Rockefeller Center New York NY 10020 Phone: 212 5221212 The Today Show 30 Rockefeller Plaza New York NY 10112 Tom Capra Phone: 212 6644249 USA Today 1000 Wilson Blvd. Arlington VA 22229 Phone: 703 2763400 U S News & World Report 2400 N St., NW Washington DC 20037 Phone: 202 9552000 United Press International 1400 Eye St., NW Washington DC 20006 Phone: 202 8988000 WETA-TV P.O. Box 2626 Washington DC 20013 Phone: 703 9982626 Wall Street Journal 200 Liberty St. New York NY 10281 Phone: 212 4162000 Washington Post 1150 15th St., NW Washington DC 20071 Phone: 202 3346000

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Another one-way street
by AJ Janschewitz 18 Apr '93

18 Apr '93

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Well, the Clintoon Administration has opened up yet another electronic channel besides the one on CI$. The White House can also be reached at 5895485(a)mcimail.com. Their usual rules apply: Give a snail return address if you want a response. Looks like the "data highway" is, for the time being, a one-way street ... ==a.j.== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQCVAgUBK9F98xk4MFKFFwHhAQH42AP/ZRh7WRDqdP2LpkDiO2/IGzEbaVr9UR7y AeqRQAAjSCmC5o1ApJ5oAd22GIqyeaRfnpXy0WuRsJRkxdEpDLbzYnGLSCaT4DOh o4Hj4EHTFIy7exN9vRkAFaXA1E7E9dl7D1xajbv7F4L6Y26TivvhMP5WRtKuHIxW re2YpapLOuY= =amKI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: A Long History for Clipper...
by Pat Farrell 18 Apr '93

18 Apr '93

Timothy C. May) writes: >George Gleason writes: >> Clipper can't have been developed since Inauguration >>Day; ... >It's clearly stated that the program is at least 4 years old and that, >[supporting stuff deleted] >This doesn't mean the proposal will be casually tossed aside by Clinton as >some objections are raised. Most policies of this sort percolate up through >the entrenched bureacracies in Justice, State, Defense, NSA, etc. I was listening to a lecture by Dr. Denning (Peter J) about a week ago. He was referencing NREN, not his wife's key registration idea, but in light of Clipper, the comments are germane. He said that some of his left-coast collegues were all concerned about NREN providing equal access so it won't be a "yuppie-only" communication medium. Prof. Denning said that these well meaning folks are too late. Gore's data superhighways were announced as a big deal for political reasons by the Clinton Administration, but it was actually the result of nearly 10 years of work. He said these things take years to create, and that the consensus is in place before it announced so acceptance is assured. Clearly CLIPPER has been percolating thru the TLAs for quite some time. I think the self selection process (see The New Republic's Clincest article) has allowed those who have been sending up trial balloons to think they've reached an acceptable position. It was clear at last Fall's National Computer Security Conference (sponsored by NSA) that the TLAs were going to keep pushing to get this thru. BTW, I live "inside the Beltway" and have been trying to figure out a way to use my ability to easily popover the DC for face to face meetings to help stop this madness. I tried working with EFF last Fall, but they couldn't figure out how to use volunteer help. If any crypo-privacy list readers have ideas, please let me know. Pat (My pgp key is on the utmb and mit servers.)

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Knowledge of cryptography, Was: RE: More True Names: The NIST Security Board
by Pat Farrell 18 Apr '93

18 Apr '93

Harry identified several names on the CLIPPER list, including: >mcnulty@ecf = F. Lynn McNulty an associate director for computer >security at the National Institute of Standards and Technology's >Computer Systems Laboratory At this Fall's National Computer Security Conference, Mr. McNulty was a speaker on the NIST's digital signature session. They talked about both the non-RSA DSS, and use of Certifying Authorities with a RSA-based scheme. At that same conference, I gave a paper on security that described a fishnet of trust between systems. This was written in February 92, well before I read Phil's "web of trust" from the PGP docs, which I read sometime over the summer. During the Q&A, I asked Mr NcNulty to compare the advantages and disadvantages of a heirarchical CA approach to an interlocking fishnet/web of trust. I hoped he would at least recognize that any heirarchy has problems from the top down if an upper level is compromised. Instead, he could not address any differences. I believe that working in the government has made the hierarchy seem to be the only implementation that he envisioned. He fobbed the question off to one of his technical underlings, but he, too, was unable to answer it (or even coherently address it). I believed then (and still do) that the closed loop process used by NIST and the TLAs has caused them to overlook a number of promissing alternatives. This means that we crypto-provacy advocates must start an education effort. Pat

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RE: Media Blitz: Make ourselves available
by Pat Farrell 18 Apr '93

18 Apr '93

Harry Shapiro writes: >Any of us that are clean shaven and wear suits, etc. would >also make good spoke-folks I can't claim expert status, but I do live "inside the Beltway" wear suits, have gray hair, have appeared on CNN during the Morse worm discussions, presented a paper on security at the National Computer Security Conference last Fall, work for a high-tech software firm, think the big brother chip is a crock, and am willing. How do I make myself more available? My 24-hour voicemail number is (703) 267-2986. Pat

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What Clinton's proposal will mean to the Rest of the World
by R.Tait＠bnr.co.uk 18 Apr '93

18 Apr '93

Cypherpunkers, Having just digested the press release, and the subsequent followups on sci.crypt and on here, I am beginning to wonder what ramifications this might have in other countries, specifically the "Superpowers". Surely setting such a precedent in his own country will spark off a flurry of activity in places such as the UK, Germany, France et al, so that they are not "left behind", so-to-speak? To be quite honest, I can't see the English government taking such radical steps about secure telecommunications, quite simply, because BT have such a lacsidasical [sp?] approach to new and emerging technologies. Take for instance, IDSN. Their philosophy of marketing and "selling" ISDN is laughable - I once read a newspaper article which related a tale of a Corporation who wanted to learn if ISDN could be useful to it's business practices, and it seems that BT just kept jostling them between department (Dept X: "Phone Dept Y", Dept Y: "Phone Dept X" etc). Can anyone really see that the US government (or whoever) will completely outlaw all strong data encryption? This violates the basic human right of free communications/privacy. What a world we live in, huh? -- Rick M. Tait Bell Northern Research Europe Tel: +44-81-945-3352, Fax: +44-81-945-3352 Network Management Systems <PGP 2.2 public key available on request> New Southgate, London. UK email: ricktait(a)bnr.co.uk || rt(a)cix.compulink.co.uk || ricktait(a)bnr.ca

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Test, please ignore
by Harry Shapiro 18 Apr '93

18 Apr '93

Just a alias test - please ignore /harry -- Harry Shapiro habs(a)panix.com List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991

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AT&T Press Release on Clipper
by Dave Banisar 18 Apr '93

18 Apr '93

Here's AT&T's announcement on the Clipper. AT&T TO INCORPORATE NEW 'CLIPPER' CHIP INTO SECURE COMMUNICATIONS PRODUCT LINE GREENSBORO, N.C., April 16 AT&T (NYSE: T) said today it is moving to improve the security and privacy of telephone communications by incorporating a just-announced new U.S. government technology for voice encryption into its secure communications product line. AT&T will use the Clipper chip, announced today by President Clinton as a new technology for voice encryption, in all of its secure telephone products except those specially designed for government classified customers. The Commerce Department has announced a six-month timetable for the final certification of Clipper. "AT&T is pleased to be the first company to publicly commit to adoption of the Clipper chip," said Ed Hickey, AT&T vice president, Secure Communications Systems. "We believe it will give our customers far greater protection in defeating hackers or eavesdroppers attempting to intercept a call. "And now all commercially available AT&T voice encryption products will be compatible with each other, a major step forward in bringing secure communications capabilities to the business community." In standardizing AT&T voice encryption products on the Clipper chip, AT&T will include the algorithm in the Telephone Security Device as well as in the Secure Voice/Data Terminal. The AT&T Telephone Security Device is a compact, lightweight unit that brings advance encryption technology to conventional land-line and cellular telephones. It provides a powerful, convenient and reliable way to protect the most sensitive telephone conversations. The device works with a conventional land-line or transportable/mobile cellular phone. It turns the phone's signal into a digital stream of encrypted information that is decrypted by a Telephone Security Device attached to the phone at the receiving end of the call. The AT&T Telephone Security Device connects easily to desk telephones or tranportable or mobile phones. It weighs 1.5 pounds and is 7 inches long, 4.5 inches wide and 1.5 inches high. And it's as easy to use as it is portable. The AT&T Secure Voice/Data Terminals are desktop telephones that provide encryption for both telephone calls and data transmissions. These AT&T secure communications products use an enhanced voice encryption technique that provides very high voice quality. This technology allows calls placed with these products to approach the voice quality of normal calls. To further enhance interoperability, AT&T will consider licensing to other manufacturers its enabling technologies for interoperability. Interoperability of encryption devices requires common technology beyond the use of a common encryption algorithm, specifically common methods of digital voice encoding and signaling. AT&T has already performed integration tests with Clipper chips manufactured by the government's supplier, Mykotronx Inc., of Torrence, Calif., and is preparing to integrate the chip into the manufacturing of its secure products. AT&T's Clipper-equipped telephone security devices will be available to customers by the end of the second quarter. The federal government intends to adopt the Clipper chip as the standard for voice encryption to help protect proprietary information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted electonically. At the same time, use of the Clipper chip will preserve the ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. "Adoption of Clipper will support both the government's efforts to protect the public and the public's right to privacy," Hickey said. AT&T Secure Communication Systems provides products to protect voice, data, fax, cellular and video communications. It also engineers and integrates secure communications applications. Its customers include the governments of the United States and other nations as well as major corporations around the world. AT&T Secure Communications Systems is headquartered in Greensboro. For more information about the AT&T Telephone Security Device 3600 and other AT&T Secure Communications Products, call David Arneke at 919-279-7680. CONTACT: David Arneke of AT&T Secure Communications Systems, 919-279- 7680,or after hours, 919-273-5687, or Herb Linnen of AT&T Media Relations, 202-457-3933, or after hours, 202-333-9162

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Returned mail: Deferred: Connection reset by peer during greeting wait with churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 18 Apr '93

18 Apr '93

----- Transcript of session follows ----- While talking to toad.com: >>> RCPT To:<cyhperpunks(a)toad.com> <<< 550 <cyhperpunks(a)toad.com>... User unknown 550 cyhperpunks(a)toad.com... User unknown 451 extropians(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu... timeout waiting for input 421 churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (TCP)... Deferred: Connection reset by peer during greeting wait with churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by sun.Panix.Com id AA28608 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for extropians(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu) Sun, 18 Apr 1993 08:41:03 -0400 From: Harry Shapiro <habs> Message-Id: <199304181241.AA28608(a)sun.Panix.Com> Subject: Re: More True Names: The NIST Security Board (fwd) To: cyhperpunks(a)toad.com, extropians(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu (Harry Shapiro) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 08:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: habs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1199 a conscious being, David Farber wrote:

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It is two 80-bit "halfs"
by Harry Shapiro 18 Apr '93

18 Apr '93

>From Mail sent via the Clipper Mailing list, forwarded to me: > In a conversation with NSA today, I was told that two random 80-bit > numbers will be XORed to produce the 80-bit key and the two individual > numbers kept by two separate escrow authorities -- who they are is to > be decided. So your suggestion is, in fact, how it will be handled. > martin hellman /HARRY -- Harry Shapiro habs(a)panix.com List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991

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