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Test. Sorry.
by nobody＠cicada.berkeley.edu 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

This is a test. Apologies for wasted bandwidth. AA01851; Thu, 8 Jul 93 11:40:10 EDT Received: by snark.shearson.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22568; Thu, 8 Jul 93 11:40:08 EDT Message-Id: <9307081540.AA22568(a)snark.shearson.com> To: Rachel Beth Goldstein <rbg(a)panix.com> Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: text p.d. cryptosystems for email In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Jul 1993 11:03:02 EDT." <199307081503.AA28828(a)panix.com> Reply-To: pmetzger(a)lehman.com X-Reposting-Policy: redistribute only with permission Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1993 11:40:08 -0400 From: "Perry E. Metzger" <pmetzger(a)lehman.com> Rachel Beth Goldstein says: > > this is probably a faq, but pardon me, since this is my first mail to > the cypherpunks list. the problem is this: i once worked for a > (nameless) finance company that had pseudo-wizard-dorkos for sa's, and > a gravitationally-challenged boss that routinely read employees' (ie. > *my*) personal email. i knew this because he asked me specific > questions regading the email subjects. both he and the dorkos > relished this ability and probably got some power trip from it. This is likely a violation of federal law, but never mind that. > however, friends told me that (1) crypt is easily compromised, and > (2) not all unix sites have crypt available anyway. are there > text-based alternates to crypt, such that i don't have to use > uuencode or btoa to mail encrypted text? What you want is PGP. Doubtless someone out there is likely to tell you more about it... Perry

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text p.d. cryptosystems for email
by Rachel Beth Goldstein 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

this is probably a faq, but pardon me, since this is my first mail to the cypherpunks list. the problem is this: i once worked for a (nameless) finance company that had pseudo-wizard-dorkos for sa's, and a gravitationally-challenged boss that routinely read employees' (ie. *my*) personal email. i knew this because he asked me specific questions regading the email subjects. both he and the dorkos relished this ability and probably got some power trip from it. to prevent further abuse, i resorted to using crypt and uuencode when sending personal email to friends. i found mr. megaton and his pseudo-wizards complaining about this. they were having a heck of a time trying to decrypt my mail, esp. since they could not easily recognize uuencode output. (hence the pseudo-wizard label). however, friends told me that (1) crypt is easily compromised, and (2) not all unix sites have crypt available anyway. are there text-based alternates to crypt, such that i don't have to use uuencode or btoa to mail encrypted text? as an aside, i bought an account from panix.com in order to further safeguard my privacy -- at least from those self-appointed netcops at my previous employer (and my current employer, who i'm pretty sure wont stoop to that level). the former employer left me with a lot of bad feelings towards those in charge of technology. i now send sensitive emails and netnews postings through this account (only). thanks for any reply. /Rache # ====================================================================== # Disclaimer: My bod, my mind, and yes, my opinions are my own.

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DigiCash
by norm＠netcom.com 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

If someone is implementing Chaum's DigiCash I have some input. Pleas send me e-mail.

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Crypto Phones...
by Peter Wayner 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

I realize that it is quite possible to design a secure phone with a Vocoder, a modem and some cpu power to do the encryption, but I think that an easier solution may be on the horizon. I believe that Microsoft and many others are exploring hooking phones to PCs so people can do things like ship pictures of their weekend fun to friends. When PC's can easily access phone communications, then developing encrypted conversations should be as easy as programming for Windows :-). Another solution may be for the Digital Phone companies to make a phone that is reprogrammable so people can hook up their laptops or run software on the phone itself. This is, I believe, a valid marketting strategy because it could make the phone that more desirable when third parties start offering Sharp Wizard/Newton/EO interfaces so people can hook up their address books to the phones. What do you think, Phil? You said that you had plenty of cycles left over to do DES with the last digital phone you designed. Do you have enough left to bring up Windoze? -Peter

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Motorola
by XXCLARK＠indst.indstate.edu 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

>Anyone know anything about Motorola's new phones (models VST 100, >VST 350,VST 550, locally priced at $179, $249 and $299 Canadian)? Secure Clear (tm) Technology is the only... What's in a name? In this case, bullshit. I believe they do a simple frequency inversion, known in the `20's, easily defeated with a $15 kit added to one's scanner or for $5 in parts. Technology of the `20's packaged and named for the `90's. To quote a Canadian general, former commander of UN forces in Bosnia: "The UN doesn't have much in the way of communications. All we have is Motorola [radios]." --------------------------------------------------------------------- internet : xxclark(a)indst.indstate.edu RelayNet (488) Vanilla BITNET: XXCLARK@INDST FidoNet (1:2230/114) Phone: 911 TechNet 11:800/0 We're all Bozos on this bus. ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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stop the feed
by blankmklp＠aol.com 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

I was not prepared to receive newsgroup mail on a service like AOL. I just can't deal with it because I can't read it offline and respond with my Point like I do my newsgroups from UUCP. Please turn off the flow; stop sending me this. All I want to know is if this newsgroup can be req from the internet via UUCP. Michael Pearce

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Re: "Let's kill all the lawyers..."
by karn＠qualcomm.com 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

Amen! Well spoken, Tim. Last night I saw the Saferstein remarks you mention. I think they hit the local California TV stations before being picked up by CNN. I fully agree that PC is *really* getting out of hand if lawyers are now to be considered one of the downtrodden minority groups. Saferstein doesn't seem to understand the serious role satire plays in actually *preventing* violence in our society. Lawyers and politicians (lawyers being the larval stage of the latter) hold a tremendous amount of power over the rest of us. Satire (including jokes, political cartoons and the like) might not actually do much to lessen that power, but it does give the rest of us a chance to vent some of the resentment that might otherwise build into violence in more people. And of course there is satire's unique selectivity. It's hard to satirize somebody who doesn't deserve it. But a hypocritical lawyer or a politician with a bloated ego... well, I don't think bullets ever get any more magic than this. *They* may still believe in their own overriding self-importance, but thanks to satire, the rest of us don't have to! The real irony of trying to ban "lawyer bashing" is that some of the best (most critical) lawyer jokes are told by the lawyers themselves! So maybe we *should* pass a law against it. What better way to get more lawyers off the street and where they belong? (Short of cloning some more T. Rexes, of course...was there also applause in your theater during that scene?) Phil

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Re: "Let's kill all the lawyers..."
by Fred Heutte 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

Tim May and Phil Karn's comments remind me of my friend Mark the Lawyer who lives in SF. I visit him on occasion when I'm in the Bay Area and notice that he has the proper perspective on things. When I was there a week ago he had a copy of the Nolo Press newspaper (including a hefty selection of their vast catalogue of lawyer jokes). And his refrigerator magnet reads: "Lawyer: person retained to protect client from others of profession." We need lawyers, but do we need *so many*?! I was born and grew up in Washington, DC. The DC Bar has over *50,000* lawyers! Even in our nation's capital that seems excessive.

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Live for today
by fergp＠sytex.com 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

On Tue, 6 Jul 93 16:08:00 -0700, Timothy C. May <uunet!netcom.com!tcmay> wrote - > The discussion of free speech and political correctness is > apparently not welcome by some on this list. I guess the usual > religious debates about which mail reader is better are what > we're supposed to talk about. Well, I'm a member of this list, > too, and issues of censorship and free speech are more > interesting to me--and to some others, I suspect--than the > intricacies of "MH." Hear, hear. Settle down, old chum. I suppose it takes a volitile issue or two to get me off of my keister, but now that I'm up, I'm more than willing to toss my (good?) name into the fracas. Idealisms are much akin to links in a chain; each crafted individually, yet forming a bond that link each idealism together into a society. (Discussions on how healthy this society really should be left for future discusion.) I walk a fine line between an affectionado for free speech and a staunch supporter of individual rights and privacy. Each aspect has its proponents and contentions, yet each aspect needs protection under _human_ law. Now, where does one infringe upon the other? I have always been fond of the adage that "your right to swing your fist ends when it hits my nose," and I hope you understand my sentiment. I have even played the role of the "net police" in at least one instance. (But then again, I did not react to rumor, innuendo or happenstance. This is another topic entirely. Those who subscribe to RISKS may be the wiser.) I applaud your exploit in the bitwise/erotica/net-police experiment. I personally think it was damned clever and proved a valuable point. In fact, I'd like to get your permission to reprint your original message in Legal Net News, por favor. > What is happening to free speech? What has happened to "Sir, I > disagree with what you say, but I defend to the death your right > to say it."? I was a military-man (once upon a time), and took that oath seriously. I tired of the "spinning-your-wheels" metality, so I naturally migrated into the private telecommunications sector. I would still defend it today, to death. Make no mistake, this country may have developed some serious problems over the course of the past 200 years, but some of us hold the intrinsic values embelished in the Constitution dear. What Tim has done is above and beyond petty in-fighting in this group. We are about change, challenge and chaos. We are old, we are new. We change, yet we are the same. What does it take? Ask us. We will tell you -- its about stirring up the pot. Paul Ferguson | "Confidence is the feeling you get Network Integrator | just before you fully understand Centreville, Virginia USA | the problem." fergp(a)sytex.com | - Murphy's 7th Law of Computing Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?

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Tim's shenanigans
by Andrew S Hall 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

A brief comment. Anyone who was fooled was a dimwit. If I remember correctly, Tim's "encrypted GIF" was about 80 lines long. This isn't large enough for a stick drawing, let alone kiddie porn. A. Techno-Anarchy.Neophilia.Economic Freedom.Cryptography.Anti-Statism.Personal Liberty.Laissez-Faire.Privacy Protection.Libertarianism.No Taxes.No Bullshit. ********** Liberty BBS 1-614-798-9537 ********** ********** Dedicated to Freedom. Yours. **********

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