April 2005 - ccgt - lists.ogf.org

[Thilo Kielmann <kielmann@cs.vu.nl>]
by Julie Wulf-Knoerzer 08 Apr '05

08 Apr '05

Forwarding as Thilo's message bounced... >Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:34:01 +0000 >From: Thilo Kielmann <kielmann(a)cs.vu.nl> >To: Satoshi Matsuoka <matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp> >Cc: Thilo Kielmann <kielmann(a)cs.vu.nl>, ccgt(a)ggf.org, > "Thomas H. Hinke" <thinke(a)mail.arc.nasa.gov>, > Laura McGinnis <lfm(a)psc.edu>, > David Wallom <David.Wallom(a)bristol.ac.uk> >Subject: Re: On your GGF14 workshop application >Message-ID: <20050408193400.GC5224(a)cs.vu.nl> >Reply-To: Thilo Kielmann <kielmann(a)cs.vu.nl> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline >In-Reply-To: <20050408124717.5F8C.MATSU(a)is.titech.ac.jp> >User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i >X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at >mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov > >Satoshi, > >thanks a lot for your mail. I highly appreciate your feedback. It is >the first time in our long workshop-making history that we get such >feedback, and I find it absolutely constructive. (And: it also shows >GFSG/GROC/CCGT's appreciation of our efforts.) > >My co-organizers and I will address the issues you mentioned and will >get back to you soon. > > > >Regards, > > >Thilo (still in Denver) > >On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 02:51:50PM +0900, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: > > X-Original-To: kielmann@localhost > > Delivered-To: kielmann(a)localhost.cs.vu.nl > > Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:51:50 +0900 > > From: Satoshi Matsuoka <matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp> > > To: Thilo Kielmann <kielmann(a)cs.vu.nl> > > Subject: On your GGF14 workshop application > > Cc: matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt(a)ggf.org > > > > > > Thilo, > > > > Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal > > "Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users". > > > > I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf > > of the newly proposed community council. > > > > As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the > > community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council > > therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In > > the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the > > workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as > > well as its exterior outreach. > > > > Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody > > else involved in your workshop organization. > > > > Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending > > you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid > > backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, nevertheless as you > > see the comments below indicate that there is room for improvement in > > the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions by reflect the > > comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) community council > > the revised version in about a week's time (around April 15th). In the > > meantime as additional comments come along, which will be forwarded to > > you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make improvements > > as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. > > > > Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will > > want to allow some of the workshop to be a > > academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the > > Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like > > to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of > > the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. It > > is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the > > community council therein over the research groups. > > > > To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high > > value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build > > communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new > > lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow > > technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much > > diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the > > demand for publication and publicity." > > > > I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the > > workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you host a > high-quality > > and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the > > revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. > > > > Best Regards, > > Satoshi Matsuoka > > > > > > Comment 1: > > === > > The APPS-WG has run excellent workshops at past GGF. (However, in > > comparison) this one does not > > seem to be clearly described - it has a reasonable planned content I > > think, but it isn't easy to read and understand - and the breadth of its > > organiser / acceptance panel is not yet defined. I would back them on > > their track record, but push them to edit and update the proposal. > > === > > > > Comment 2: > > === > > The report from the last workshop held at GGF12, GGF13 etc. should be in > > the works. At least there should be some "evidence" that such are being > > worked upon. > > === > > > > Comment 3 (general): > > === > > I think we might encourage more substantial publication such as journal > > special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) participants > > However in general I think we should let each workshop make its choice as > > "external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in > > some fashion > > > > === > > Comment 4: > > While the exact details of this > > workshop proposal may not be complete, e.g., the candidates > > for a program committee, the concept and goals for the > > workshop are IMHO rather clear. Certainly in Thilo's case, > > a long, written proposal with the 'i's dotted and 't's crossed > > is less critical since he has an absolutely solid track record > > for organizing GGF workshops. > > > > Nonetheless, we could emphasize some issues for the future > > (but not necessarily just for this proposal): > > > > 1) Try to get the workshops organized as early as possible, > > that is to say, get a draft or partial program committee put > > together prior to making the proposal. > > > > 2) Maximize external visibility. Besides just the GGF-Info doc, > > I'm sure that Thilo would be very receptive to the suggestion > > of trying to organize a journal special issue from the workshop. > > === > > > > Comment 5: (Satoshi) > > > > Balancing the comments above with the rather short time available to > > organize workshops for GGF14, Thilo should not be felt pressured to make > > full journal publications for this workshop (of course if there is that > > would be great). What we should also do is to make sure that, as > > organization of the workshop gets more solidified (and probably rather > > quickly), make sure that the GGF office and Thilo sync with each other > frequently > > so that anything about the workshop presense that has external > > visibility (external calls, programs, publication plans etc.) will be > > updated very quickly as refinements occur. > > > > --------- > > > > > > A) Workshop Title > > > > Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users > > > > We are intending a type two (refereed workshop) > > > > > > B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly > incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you > are a chair of an existing RG/WG. > > > > Thilo Kielmann, Vrije Universiteit, Co-Chair APPS-RG > > Thomas Hinke, NASA AMES, Co-Chair APPS-RG > > Laura McGinnis, PSC, Co-chair PGM-RG (to become PGS-RG) > > David Wallom, Bristol Univ, designated Co-chair PGS-RG > > > > Full reviewing committee to be announced soon. > > > > > > C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well > as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being > a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including > candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc. > > > > APPS-RG > > PGS-RG (currently PGM-RG) > > > > > > D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop > description to be put on the program. > > > > In this workshop, we aim at experience with bridging the gap between > > early adopters of grids and the more mainstream use of grid technology. > > Currently, for the most part grids are on the early adopter side of the > > gap, asking for the move to the more mainstream users. > > Here, applications are the key. We are seeking experience from early > > adoptors who would like to become mainstream users, from mainstream > > users who would like to use grids, from those who already do, and from > > middleware developers and system operators in charge of > > providing grid working environments to user communities. > > > > We are seeking contributions on the following topics: > > - user experience with early-adoptor and/or mainstream grid applications > > - management approaches for production-quality grid environments > > - techniques for robust (fault tolerant) grid applications and middleware > > - software tools for automatic testing and signaling of error conditions > > > > Our focus is on hands-on experience with existing grid environments, > > focusing on bridging the gap between early adoption and production use. > > > > > > > > > > E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two > workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the > talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here. > > > > Potential speakers come from major grid projects, from grid user > > communities, and from grid service operators. > > We seek to enrich the program by an opening keynote presentation and a > > final panel discussion. > > A candidate for the keynote could be Steven Newhouse from OMII, > > talking about his user survey among UK E-science users. > > > > > > F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF. > > > > Prior to GGF5 in Glasgow: > > NeSC Workshop on Applications and Testbeds on the Grid > > organized by APPS-RG and GUS-RG (just prior to GGF5) > > > > At GGF7 in Tokyo: Applications workshop: > > What can be achieved with today's Grid technology (and what cannot)? > > organized by APPS-RG > > > > At GGF8 in Seattle: > > Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools > > organized by APPS-RG and UPDT-RG > > Workshop on Tools For Grid Management > > organized by PGM-RG > > > > At GGF10 in Berlin: > > Workshop on Case Studies on Grid Applications > > organized by APPS-RG, UPDT-RG, GUS-RG, and PGM-RG > > > > At GGF11 in Honolulu: > > Semantic Grid Applications Workshop > > organized by APPS-RG and SEM-GRD > > Management of Grid Services in Production Grids > > organized by PGM-RG > > > > At GGF12 in Brussels: > > Workshop on Grid Application Programming Interfaces > > organized by APPS-RG with DRMAA-WG, GridRPC-WG, SAGA-RG > > > > At GGF13 in Soul: > > The Usable Grid > > organized by APPS-RG > > > > > > G) Duration of workshop (half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole > day (4-5 slots) > > > > whole day > > > > > > H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) > > > > 50-70 > > > > > > I) Publication Plans --- > > please indicate if you have plan to publish the workshop result with a > > certain publisher. If left out we will assume that the workshop product > > will be a GGF Informational Document. > > > > We plan to publish a proceedings volume in form of a > > GGF Informational Document. > > > > --------------------- Original Message Ends -------------------- > > > > > > Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor > > Global Scientific Information and Computing Center > > & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences > > Tokyo Institute of Technology > > Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan > > Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu(a)acm.org, matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp > > > >-- >Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ +++++++++++++++++++ ***New contact information as of 16-Feb*** Julie Wulf-Knoerzer Manager of Community Development wulf(a)ggf.org ph. 630/252-7163 fax 630/252-4466

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Fw: Workshop feedback
by Satoshi Matsuoka 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

Community council members, Before sending this out to the respective workshop organizers, I would like to check upon you to see if the content would be OK. I am boarding a plane back to Tokyo from SFO now, so if you could respond within the working day it will be great. Oh yes minor spelling errors I will be correcting. Thanks. Satoshi Forwarded by Satoshi Matsuoka <matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp> ----------------------- Original Message ----------------------- From: Satoshi Matsuoka <matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp> To: Thilo Kielmann <kielmann(a)cs.vu.nl> Cc: matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:49:30 +0900 Subject: Workshop feedback ---- Thilo, Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal "Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users". I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf of the newly proposed community council. As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as well as its exterior outreach. Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody else involved in your workshop organization. Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have backing the comment indicates that there is room for improvement in the proposal. I hope you could make some revisions by reflect the comments, and send to the (proposed) community council the revised version by April 15th. In the meantime there may be additional comments, which will be forwarded to you if deemed helpful in the improvement. Also please note that we will want to allow some of the workshop to be a academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the demand for publication and publicity." I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the workshop organizers to fulfill such desires. Looking forward to the revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. Best Regards, Satoshi Matsuoka Comment 1: === The APPS-WG has run excellent workshops at past GGF. This one does not seem to be clearly described - it has a reasonable planned content I think, but it isn't easy to read and understand - and the breadth of its organiser / acceptance panel is not yet defined. I would back them on their track record, but push them to edit and update the proposal. === Comment 2: === The report from the last workshop held at GGF13 should be reported. At least there should be some evidence that such is being worked upon. === --------- A) Workshop Title Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users We are intending a type two (refereed workshop) B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. Thilo Kielmann, Vrije Universiteit, Co-Chair APPS-RG Thomas Hinke, NASA AMES, Co-Chair APPS-RG Laura McGinnis, PSC, Co-chair PGM-RG (to become PGS-RG) David Wallom, Bristol Univ, designated Co-chair PGS-RG Full reviewing committee to be announced soon. C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc. APPS-RG PGS-RG (currently PGM-RG) D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop description to be put on the program. In this workshop, we aim at experience with bridging the gap between early adopters of grids and the more mainstream use of grid technology. Currently, for the most part grids are on the early adopter side of the gap, asking for the move to the more mainstream users. Here, applications are the key. We are seeking experience from early adoptors who would like to become mainstream users, from mainstream users who would like to use grids, from those who already do, and from middleware developers and system operators in charge of providing grid working environments to user communities. We are seeking contributions on the following topics: - user experience with early-adoptor and/or mainstream grid applications - management approaches for production-quality grid environments - techniques for robust (fault tolerant) grid applications and middleware - software tools for automatic testing and signaling of error conditions Our focus is on hands-on experience with existing grid environments, focusing on bridging the gap between early adoption and production use. E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here. Potential speakers come from major grid projects, from grid user communities, and from grid service operators. We seek to enrich the program by an opening keynote presentation and a final panel discussion. A candidate for the keynote could be Steven Newhouse from OMII, talking about his user survey among UK E-science users. F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF. Prior to GGF5 in Glasgow: NeSC Workshop on Applications and Testbeds on the Grid organized by APPS-RG and GUS-RG (just prior to GGF5) At GGF7 in Tokyo: Applications workshop: What can be achieved with today's Grid technology (and what cannot)? organized by APPS-RG At GGF8 in Seattle: Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools organized by APPS-RG and UPDT-RG Workshop on Tools For Grid Management organized by PGM-RG At GGF10 in Berlin: Workshop on Case Studies on Grid Applications organized by APPS-RG, UPDT-RG, GUS-RG, and PGM-RG At GGF11 in Honolulu: Semantic Grid Applications Workshop organized by APPS-RG and SEM-GRD Management of Grid Services in Production Grids organized by PGM-RG At GGF12 in Brussels: Workshop on Grid Application Programming Interfaces organized by APPS-RG with DRMAA-WG, GridRPC-WG, SAGA-RG At GGF13 in Soul: The Usable Grid organized by APPS-RG G) Duration of workshop (half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole day (4-5 slots) whole day H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) 50-70 I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational Document. We plan to publish a proceedings volume in form of a GGF Informational Document. --------------------- Original Message Ends -------------------- 東京工業大学　学術国際情報センター　教授　松岡聡〒152-8550 東京都目黒区大岡山 2-12-1 (西7号館2F) Tel/Fax 03-5734-3876 (西7号館2F206) 携帯090-5811-8746 (FOMA-TV電話可能) E-mail: matsu(a)is.titech.ac.jp 秘書：近藤 secretary(a)matsulab.is.titech.ac.jp

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For discussion on Friday morning's GGF14 call
by Julie Wulf-Knoerzer 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

Dear All, On behalf of the Community Council, I am providing an outline of the two program aspects we envision for GGF14 specifically as well as the logistical needs of these program elements: *Workshops - (logistical requirements: 1 room with 50-100 person capacity from Mon-Thurs. Remote access - telecon or AG - would be desirable. Standard A/V.), *Community (or General) Track - (logistical requirements: 1 room with 100-150 person capacity from Mon pm-Wed pm. Standard A/V. Registration waivers.). We anticipate keeping these two elements separate but understand that this is contingent upon availability of space. If necessary, we will intersperse these elements into one track (of increased days). Below, please find the characteristics of these 2 elements: Workshops (Classical GGF Workshops): -Organized by Research Groups and Working Groups, -Workshops reports must be provided within 3 months of the meeting (we will encourage these reports to take the form of a GGF Informational document). -The GROC solicitation process will be reviewed and modified by the Community Council due to time and potential logistical constraints. We would like to do this asap. -GFSG input will be solicited (both on above process and submissions). -Community Council will provide bi-weekly GFSG updates. Community (or General) Track: This themed session would last from 0.5 to 2 days and is geared towards attracting people to attend the whole session and so motivate attendance at GGF (people that would not otherwise attend GGF). This track may contain keynotes, invited or contributed talks, panels, etc. They can involve applications, technology or standards. Examples of topics for this track (pulled from the Community Council email list archives) include: ....................... STEM is Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics and used to describe parts of education often viewed as weak in USA. I think we could set up a useful STEM community that could have activities similar to those of education part in SCxx. I suspect we could both benefit a broad community and probably compete for various funding opportunities. ....................... On April 25th, I will be talking at a meeting of CENDI which is an interagency group of scientific and technical information (STI) managers from 12 major federal agencies. In DoE this is called OSTI. Together CENDI members are meant to represent agencies covering over 95% of the federal R&D budget. (http://www.CENDI.gov) These are information systems leaders and I was introduced to them as I am helping design of Information Retrieval Grid for federating different federal databases (http://www.science.gov) I think most corporations have such needs for information systems and it could be interesting community. Note that the CENDI Group exchanges ideas and information covering a broad range of themes from policy to standards to technologies that impact or have the potential of impacting federal STI systems. If we had a community track, the GridIR and Portal activities would be very relevant. I will certainly encourage them to get involved with GGF and I realize it would be useful if for each GGF meeting, we identified activities that could be interesting to each of a set of communities we support. We also could collect talks such as the one I will give and list those of interest to each community. ....................... In coordination with the GGF14 Event Steering Council (ESC), we will generate appropriate CFPs, invitations, etc., for the above community program activities. We intend to record our experiences from GGF14 in a 'community perspective lessons learned' document for use in planning future GGF community activities. I look forward to Friday's discussion and hope this provides further background for the community council's role in GGF14. Julie +++++++++++++++++++ ***New contact information as of 16-Feb*** Julie Wulf-Knoerzer Manager of Community Development wulf(a)ggf.org ph. 630/252-7163 fax 630/252-4466

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