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Input for PGI Roadmap Document about Virginia CampusGrid
by Morris Riedel 17 Mar '09

17 Mar '09

Hi Andrew, Duane, I know much about DEISA, EGEE, NorduGrid, and more recently also EDGES, because they have contributed within GIN - but in terms of the GENESIS-II-based production Campus Grid - I would rather like to have some background information for the PGI roadmap document: (1) How many users are approximately using the infrastructure daily. (2) Which codes are running on which platforms, e.g. CFD codes on parallel machines, or rather docking tools for 'embarassingly parallel' PC pool jobs? (3) Which kind of resources are interconnected - which kind of HPC/HTC resources are part of the Virginia Campus Grid infrastructure? (4) What is the sustainability plan of the Campus Grid in general and GENESIS-II in particular? In Europe the HPC community see an evolution moving from DEISA to PRACE, while EGEE seem to have an evolution towards an EGI. In both is limited funding for middleware like UNICORE, gLite. The same is true for ARC that is not only used in NorduGrid, but also in Baltic-Grid and so on. I think this is also quite valuable information for the whole PGI group. Is there a special link to the infrastructure/GENESIS-II Website that act as the main contact point for it? Many thanks for this! Furthermore, I would welcome you in the GIN group in order to evaluate your application requirements for those applications that require resources in more than one Grid. Many production Grids participate in this group (some more or less actively/passively) - so it would nice if you join the GIN community! Basically, PGI is a result of collaborations undertaken in GIN (and clear demands by scientists that would like to use more than one Grid). Your co-chair, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Forschungszentrum Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender)

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OGF PGI and GENESIS documents
by Etienne URBAH 16 Mar '09

16 Mar '09

Andrew, Inside a mail dated 06 February 2009, Duane attached document 'GIICampusGridSec.doc' describing GENESIS II Security Architecture. Could you upload this document, for example inside http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/projects.pgi-wg/docma… and send us the corresponding link ? I was also very much interested by your presentation of GENESIS II at OGF25 on Monday 02 March 2009. Could you upload this presentation, for example inside http://www.ogf.org/gf/event_schedule/index.php?id=1544 and send us the corresponding link ? Thank you in advance. Best regards. ---------------------------------- Etienne URBAH IN2P3 - LAL Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 Skype: etienne.urbah mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr ----------------------------------

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Preparation for Security PGI TelCon on Friday 2009-03-20
by m.riedel＠fz-juelich.de 15 Mar '09

15 Mar '09

To all PGI security experts, we today again confirmed to have a telcon on... Friday, 2009-03-20, 4 p.m. CET, as agreed on in Catania ... discussing our security elements related to the different profiles we aim to define. In order to prepare accordingly, I propose that each production infrastructure nominates (at least) one person that reviews the 0.3 version of the security strawman document that is available under Gridforge related to the security aspects: http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/downloadDocument/projects.pgi-wg/do… The nominated person in this context should participate in the telcon and being ready to discuss the security topic in general and the profiles from their respective infrastructure point of view in particular. As a side-remark, I would like to remind members of the group to our PGI mandate. Please note that we don't standardize elements of security that are not yet in production (or very soon in production) such as huge upcoming security architectures that may be deployed on a long-term perspective only. This can be done by other security groups within OGF since it does not support our GIN-based idea of having a short-term to mid-term interoperability between production Grids. I would like to chair this session if no one disagrees with that. The telcon numbers will be the same as usual. In parallel I would like to start a discussion thread per email about the strawman to get some thoughts on the list discussed beforehand - otherwise I fear the telcon will take much longer than one hour only. Your co-chair, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Pgi-wg] Preparation for Computation PGI TelCon onWednesday2009-03-18
by m.riedel＠fz-juelich.de 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

date correction: its of course Wednesday 2009-03-18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Central Institute of Applied Mathematics Research Centre Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/ZAMPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel 'We work to improve ourselves and the rest of mankind.' ----- Original Message ----- From: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de Date: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:29 pm Subject: [Pgi-wg] Preparation for Computation PGI TelCon on Wednesday2009-03-18 > To all PGI computation experts, > > we today agreed to have a telcon on... > > Wednesday, 2009-03-13, 4 p.m. CET > > ... discuss our computation elements related to missing > links/refinements/tunings of OGSA-BES & JSDL et al. > > In order to prepare accordingly, I propose that each production > infrastructure nominates (at least) one person that review the > documents that are available under Gridforge related to the > computation aspects: > > http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/projects.pgi- > wg/docman.root.input_documents.transferred > We also get a summary of these documents before Wednesday > hopefully by the UoVirginia team, but if not please have a look on > the ones within GridForge. > > The nominated person in this context should participate in the > telcon and being ready to discuss the computation topic in general > and the issues with the specifications from their respective > infrastructure point of view in particular. > > > Andrew kindly volunteered to chair this session, but if others are > interested they might chair the session as well. > > Therefore, Andrew, please provide us with the telcon numbers of > this session and with a particular agenda. > > Thanks so much, > Morris > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > Morris Riedel > SW - Engineer > Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division > Central Institute of Applied Mathematics > Research Centre Juelich > Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 > D - 52425 Juelich > Germany > > Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de > Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/ZAMPeople/riedel > > Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 > Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 > > Skype: MorrisRiedel > > 'We work to improve ourselves and the rest of mankind.' > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH > 52425 Juelich > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich > Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 > Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe > Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), > Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, > Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Pgi-wg mailing list > Pgi-wg(a)ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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Preparation for Computation PGI TelCon on Wednesday 2009-03-18
by m.riedel＠fz-juelich.de 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

To all PGI computation experts, we today agreed to have a telcon on... Wednesday, 2009-03-13, 4 p.m. CET ... discuss our computation elements related to missing links/refinements/tunings of OGSA-BES & JSDL et al. In order to prepare accordingly, I propose that each production infrastructure nominates (at least) one person that review the documents that are available under Gridforge related to the computation aspects: http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/projects.pgi-wg/docma… We also get a summary of these documents before Wednesday hopefully by the UoVirginia team, but if not please have a look on the ones within GridForge. The nominated person in this context should participate in the telcon and being ready to discuss the computation topic in general and the issues with the specifications from their respective infrastructure point of view in particular. Andrew kindly volunteered to chair this session, but if others are interested they might chair the session as well. Therefore, Andrew, please provide us with the telcon numbers of this session and with a particular agenda. Thanks so much, Morris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Central Institute of Applied Mathematics Research Centre Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/ZAMPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel 'We work to improve ourselves and the rest of mankind.' ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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Reminder: PGI TelCon Today - NOW - OGF25 Debrief and Nontechnicaltelcon
by m.riedel＠fz-juelich.de 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forschungszentrum Jülich GmbH 52425 Jülich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Pgi-wg] Teleconference tomorrow, March 13th - Security
by m.riedel＠fz-juelich.de 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

Thanks for your comments Etienne, just note that the reference model was my input to the group - the group itself may create a larger PGI ecosystem. People at OGF have been worried calling it referenc model, so in PGI we take ecosystem instead... :-) Take care, Morris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Central Institute of Applied Mathematics Research Centre Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/ZAMPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel 'We work to improve ourselves and the rest of mankind.' ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris, Concerning PGI, I completely agree with you : Even if the original use case was focused on data staging, SECURITY is the basis for everything. Taking as input following presentations : - 'PGI Reference Model' by yourself, in particular slides : - 18 'Security is orthogonal to layers, - 19 'Orthogonal Security: Plumbings', - 22 'Still work to do…'. - 'Unicore : A European Grid Technology' by Shiraz MEMON, in particular slide 7 'Standards in Unicore 6' - 'The NorduGrid/ARC perspective', in particular slides 21 and 22 'Security capability: Wishlist' - 'Conformance Targets for Simple PGI Communication' of GENESIS Interoperability absolutely requires that : 1) Trust stores (for roots of trust) and Authz Repositories (like 'gridmap' files) have exactly the same semantic content (even if syntax can differ), and are carefully distributed to all sites. 2) VOMS attributes specified inside X509 proxies and inside SAML assertions have the same semantics, in order to permit translation in both directions. 3) Restrictions/Constraints specified inside X509 proxies and inside SAML assertions have the same semantics, in order to permit translation in both directions. 4) Endpoints are specified in compliance with GLUE 2. So, I suggest to use the presentation 'Conformance Targets for Simple PGI Communication' of GENESIS as the basis document for our work. We have first to agree on at least the above points inside 1 or more Security Profiles (Semantic, Repositories, X509 syntax, SAML syntax). Then we can successfully apply SECURITY and GLUE to improve JSDL, BES and Data transfer & management. Meanwhile, I thank Johannes WATZL in advance for uploading the minutes of the PGI sessions (in particular the remote speech by Duane MERRIL). Besides, at OGF25, Joni HAHKALA of CERN (tel +41 22 76 76179) Joni.Hahkala(a)cern.ch explained to me that gLite proxy restriction attributes are developed by himself. Best regards. ---------------------------------- Etienne URBAH IN2P3 - LAL Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 Skype: etienne.urbah mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr ---------------------------------- On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de wrote: > Hi PGI team, > > I think it would be quite valuable to have a short telcon tomorrow debriefing OGF25 - I'm happy to chair this telcon if the community is interested. > > I think we clearly have to review our strategy and thus numerous comments might be beneficial? > > Possible agenda might be: > > (1) > OGF25 Summarizing shortly our sessions > > (2) > Addressing Comments: Liasons with other working groups: SRM, JSDL, BES, etc. > > (3) > Addressing Comments: (possible) Prioritization to focus efforts: > (i) > Clearly security breaks everything - so lets foster security > (ii) > bes/glue then > (iii) > data issues > > (4) > Addressing Comments: production Grids and driving forces of PGI (small fish vs. big fish) > > (5) > Other comments by participants of the TelCon > > (6) > AOB > > > > Honestly, I don't feel comfortable without having talked about this this week - and I would be happy if we can directly dive into our problems instead of shifting it... ;-) > > > > I suggest the usual timeslot w/o talking about technical issues but rather about our roadmap and steps forward - let's not loose time... > > How does this sound? > > > > > Take care, > Morris > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Morris Riedel > SW - Engineer > Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division > Central Institute of Applied Mathematics > Research Centre Juelich > Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 > D - 52425 Juelich > Germany > > Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de > Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/ZAMPeople/riedel > > Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 > Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 > > Skype: MorrisRiedel

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PGI TelCon Today - 4 p.m. CET - OGF25 Debrief and Non technical telcon
by m.riedel＠fz-juelich.de 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

Hi PGI team, although I got confirmation that many people might not able to join the telcon today, I would still like to try to gather some feedback at this telcon. So we don't have a technical telcon today - only thoughts about OGF25 and feedback about the process as this is equally important. The teleconference is going to start at the usual time (4:00 PM CET). Call-in details as follow: via Skype call +9900827049931906 (free of charge) ordinary phone numbers (local rates) with the 9931906 conference number: Austria 0820 401 15470 Belgium 0703 57 134 France 0826 109 071 Germany +49 (0) 180 500 9527 Switzerland 0848 560 397 Agenda: (1) OGF25 Summarizing shortly our sessions, going through the minutes on GridForge (2) Addressing Comments: Liasons with other working groups: SRM, JSDL, BES, etc. Suggestions: SRM -> Alex Sim JSDL -> Donal Fellows OGSA-BES -> Andrew GrimShaw/Steven Newhouse Security -> David Groep (3) Addressing Comments: (possible) Prioritization to focus efforts: (i) Clearly security breaks everything - so lets foster security (ii) bes/glue then (iii) data issues (5) Addressing Comments: Possible slit-up to sub-groups following the different priorizations in subgroups (initially disagreement, but now on the table again) (6) Addressing Comments: production Grids and driving forces of PGI (small fish vs. big fish), manpower issues versus production Grids and campus Grids (7) Other comments by participants of the TelCon (8) AOB Take care, Morris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Central Institute of Applied Mathematics Research Centre Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/ZAMPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel 'We work to improve ourselves and the rest of mankind.' ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Pgi-wg] No teleconference tomorrow, march 13th
by m.riedel＠fz-juelich.de 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

Thanks for the input Steven, I put a split-up into parallel groups again on the agenda although we have it discussed several times before (3 month ago). At former times we feared that the split-up will then turn out to raise the same OGF problem of standardize standards in "isolation" from each other. Also solving different problems in GIN areas (data, compute, etc.) doesn't helped much and we tool lessons learned from this sub-groups within one group also into account. However, let's discuss it very shortly again today! Take care, Morris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Central Institute of Applied Mathematics Research Centre Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/zam/ZAMPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel 'We work to improve ourselves and the rest of mankind.' ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Newhouse <Steven.Newhouse(a)cern.ch> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:21 pm Subject: RE: [Pgi-wg] No teleconference tomorrow, march 13th > Before the telecon could someone please report: > * Any notes taken during the sessions > * The list of actions coming out of the sessions > > Time on the call could be sent on prioritisation the action lists and > discussing how to increase the pace of group. For instance, while we > continue discussing security could we also tackle some of the related > issues such as the profiling file/replica location needed within JSDL > and the requirements from the service interface that is not currently > supported through BES/HPCBP. > > Perhaps these areas can be taken up on additional calls? Still keep > working on security, but some individuals start on another day by > working on other issues. > > Steven > > Dr Steven Newhouse > EGEE Technical Director > http://cern.ch/Steven.Newhouse > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr. Harald Bolt, Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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Session notes
by Johannes Watzl 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

Dear all, I put the session notes on gridforge except the 2nd working session on Thursday. I am working on it. cu Best, Johannes -- _ _ _ _ _ _ Johannes Watzl |\/| |\ | |\/| Institut für Informatik / Dept. of CS | | | \| | | Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München ======= TEAM ======= Oettingenstr. 67, 80538 Munich, Germany Room D0.5, Phone +49-89-2180-9162 Munich Network Management Team Email: watzl(a)nm.ifi.lmu.de Münchner Netz-Management Team http://www.nm.ifi.lmu.de/~watzl

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