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Call for Agenda Items for Amsterdam
by Morris Riedel 13 Apr '10

13 Apr '10

Hi team, back after eastern it is time to discuss our Amsterdam meeting and some preparations of it. I'm discussing agenda elements with Balazs via e-mail, but also I would like to ask the group for specific topics that should be addressed. So far we have: (1) Process Review and Status (2) Requirements clarification, setting and tuning. (3) Next Steps Please don't hesitate to propose additional items for the agenda. Take care, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel

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Re: [Pgi-wg] REMINDER: OGF PGI F2F Meeting April in Amsterdam: Call for Registration & Travel Information
by Oxana Smirnova 10 Apr '10

10 Apr '10

Hi Morris, I'd like to contribute to the meeting, but it will be physically impossible for me to show up in Amsterdam on these dates. I thus will appreciate very much if EGI can organize a video link for this important meeting. I believe it will also increase the number of participants and improve the outcome. Cheers, Oxana Morris Riedel пишет: > Hi folks, > > > a little reminder to register for the meeting at: > https://www.egi.eu/indico/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=25 > > > Travel information for reaching the venue (NIKHEF building, Room H331) can > be obtained here: > https://www.nikhef.nl/en/about-nikhef/contact/how-to-reach-nikhef/ > > > Information about hotels in the area are listed here: > http://www.egi.eu/about/events/hotels.html > > > More about the agenda will be discussed today during the telcon! > > Your co-chair, > Morris > > >> -- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> -- Von: Morris Riedel [mailto:m.riedel@fz-juelich.de] >> -- Gesendet: Montag, 22. März 2010 11:47 >> -- An: 'pgi-wg(a)ogf.org'; 'gin(a)ogf.org' >> -- Betreff: OGF PGI F2F Meeting April in Amsterdam: Call for Registration >> -- >> -- Hi folks, >> -- >> -- I created a meeting page for our F2F meeting in Amsterdam: >> -- >> -- https://www.egi.eu/indico/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=25 >> -- >> -- >> -- Please register to the event ASAP and specify your mac address in the >> -- corresponding field in order to obtain wifi access during the meeting. >> -- >> -- A high participation from PGI members is very much appreciated! >> -- >> -- More information about hotels, etc. will follow soon. >> -- >> -- >> -- Finally, please don't hesitate to contact me for any further question >> -- related to the meeting! >> -- >> -- >> -- Your co-chair, >> -- Morris >> -- >> -- ------------------------------------------------------------ >> -- Morris Riedel >> -- Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division >> -- >> -- Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) >> -- Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel >> -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Pgi-wg mailing list > Pgi-wg(a)ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg

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No TelCon Today
by Riedel, Morris 08 Apr '10

08 Apr '10

Hi folks, unfortunately I'm travelling today and Balazs is still on vacation. I'm sorry, but today their will be thus no telcon. Take care, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt, Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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PGI call 1 Apr 2010, Notes
by Johannes Watzl 01 Apr '10

01 Apr '10

participants: Morris, Aleksandr, Balazs, David Wallom, Etienne,Ilya Saverchenko, Johannes, Luigi, Mark Morgan, Oxana, Steve Brewer Agenda: (a) Intensive discussions how we can make progress with the requirements w/o telcons Morris: outcome of workshop at OGF28: huge list of requirements how to refine this list? comments? Balazs: requirement collection open til 1 May Morris: have the requirements ready in May for strawman creation devide requirements to different groups to work in parallel -> more progress Balazs: on a group level? Morris: not agreement refinement and check if in scope but not agreements in small groups Oxana: maybe close the requirements collection before the f2f in Amsterdam Morris: speedup the decision making progress check for similarities and duplicates there must be people looking at this few people look at this - make comments to the list if duplicate Oxana: if done in serial manner: 16 full working days it has to be done in parallel Morris: 208 requirements few people looking at them without changing them comment: might be duplicate: comment next telcon: together confirm thoughts, comments maybe 20% duplicate decrease the number for f2f meeting Balazs: Etienne should go through his to check with the newly added from Munich f2f Etienne: not found much duplicates found some not really understandable ie. JM16 ?? Balazs: postponed Morris: overlaps? some things are wrongly written, duplicate Etienne: different meanings in different services Morris: good to add categories another distingtion? Etienne: very important requirement for one person must not be important for others group togehter most important important check with others Morris: create a wiki page divide the 208 among us of course there are different views Etienne: each one should go through all requirements and mark if not understood or missing information much less discussion on the requirements marked as clear Luigi: we need an extension of the wikipage: column for each participant check one of three options: agree, reject, need more information Morris: not a decision process just to mark if clear maybe have two options: ok, need more info three sentences on the wiki page from the requirement creator if need more info is checked David: one "more info" is enough to need explanation Morris: for document we will need the three sentences Balazs: at OGF28 agreed there will be no document David: final outcome will be document Balazs: no, was agreed Morris: we will not discuss 50% of the list at the workshop Balazs: not needing an extra column sequentional numbering column with category Morris: putting a question Steve Brewer: agree with Balazs, divide functional, non functional Morris: potentionally different experst working on this from UNICORE information service: shiraz job management: shavaz speed up with going parallel through the list Oxana: separate wikipages? Morris: tough to edit Etienne: can do this Morris: we have to agree first Etienne: when separating, need to be able to discuss riquirements concerning the same subject Morris: we need the grouping Balazs: use area column as grouping Etienne: here you need index, this is not a database, you cannot sort by the area field Morris: good statement David: would go with Oxana's idea because usability issues Morris: votings for separate areas on separate wiki page Balazs: worst platform to work collaborately Morris: split Etienne splits in different wikis review it at next telcon Etienne: if using the link at the left to add comments in separate wikipage - no need to all edit the same wiki page think can keep it like that Balazs: please introduce sequentional numbering Morris: why? Balazs: if moving no renumbering Oxana: will renumbered when moved any experience with other groups? Morris: not so much requirements Balazs: in GLUE flat list in the tracker Morris: we have requirements in the wiki Oxana: tracker? Morris: point people to specific sections non functional areas: Etienne information services: Balazs (no - not during next week) Shiraz security: Morris application repository: Etienne accounting, logging and book keeping: Luigi (problem during next week) job management: Mark Morris: support understanding room of decreasing the amount of them Balazs: next iteration will be writing text to explain requirements Oxana: three sentences is not yes or no, we cannot fix it Morris: just for understanding Oxana: explanation should be added by requirement contributor Morris: Etienne? not the only guy needing Balazs: goal to have a common understanding just make the things more clear for somebody not understanding Morris: create the wiki page for those who need more information David: needs clarifications Etienne: put the name and why not understood Morris: have to go should not discuss again about items already agreed continue over email ____ (b) Easter vacation problem mitigation (e.g. Balazs away until 12.4.) (c) Amsterdam workshop planning, registration reminder, agenda setup, etc. (d) Discussions about a new telcon tool (possibly funded via EMI similar like the previous one maybe) (e) AOB -- _ _ _ _ _ _ Johannes Watzl |\/| |\ | |\/| Institut für Informatik / Dept. of CS | | | \| | | Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München ======= TEAM ======= Oettingenstr. 67, 80538 Munich, Germany Room E 005, Phone +49-89-2180-9162 Munich Network Management Team Email: watzl(a)nm.ifi.lmu.de Münchner Netz-Management Team http://www.nm.ifi.lmu.de/~watzl

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PGI session notes
by Johannes Watzl 01 Apr '10

01 Apr '10

Dear all, see attached the notes from toeday's PGI sessions. Please send your comments to the list. Best, Johannes -- _ _ _ _ _ _ Johannes Watzl |\/| |\ | |\/| Institut für Informatik / Dept. of CS | | | \| | | Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München ======= TEAM ======= Oettingenstr. 67, 80538 Munich, Germany Room E 005, Phone +49-89-2180-9162 Munich Network Management Team Email: watzl(a)nm.ifi.lmu.de Münchner Netz-Management Team http://www.nm.ifi.lmu.de/~watzl

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REMINDER: OGF PGI F2F Meeting April in Amsterdam: Call for Registration & Travel Information
by Morris Riedel 01 Apr '10

01 Apr '10

Hi folks, a little reminder to register for the meeting at: https://www.egi.eu/indico/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=25 Travel information for reaching the venue (NIKHEF building, Room H331) can be obtained here: https://www.nikhef.nl/en/about-nikhef/contact/how-to-reach-nikhef/ Information about hotels in the area are listed here: http://www.egi.eu/about/events/hotels.html More about the agenda will be discussed today during the telcon! Your co-chair, Morris >-- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >-- Von: Morris Riedel [mailto:m.riedel@fz-juelich.de] >-- Gesendet: Montag, 22. März 2010 11:47 >-- An: 'pgi-wg(a)ogf.org'; 'gin(a)ogf.org' >-- Betreff: OGF PGI F2F Meeting April in Amsterdam: Call for Registration >-- >-- Hi folks, >-- >-- I created a meeting page for our F2F meeting in Amsterdam: >-- >-- https://www.egi.eu/indico/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=25 >-- >-- >-- Please register to the event ASAP and specify your mac address in the >-- corresponding field in order to obtain wifi access during the meeting. >-- >-- A high participation from PGI members is very much appreciated! >-- >-- More information about hotels, etc. will follow soon. >-- >-- >-- Finally, please don't hesitate to contact me for any further question >-- related to the meeting! >-- >-- >-- Your co-chair, >-- Morris >-- >-- ------------------------------------------------------------ >-- Morris Riedel >-- Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division >-- >-- Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) >-- Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel >--

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Re: [Pgi-wg] next PGI F2F workshop?
by Balazs Konya 01 Apr '10

01 Apr '10

hi All, On 2010-04-01 11:20, Stephen J Brewer wrote: > Hi all, > > I will be representing IGE on the call today. > > I will also be present at the Amsterdam meeting too. I appreciate your > concerns Balazs but the commission are really keen that all of the recently > funded projects (not just those in the DCI call) work together even though > contract negotiations have not yet been completed. PGI will play an important > role in this process and so any progress we can make will be valuable and > will also contribute to rapid progress being made which I believe all of of > us want. > > Regards, > > Steve I am happy to see a strong commitment from several (new) groups for the April 28-29 Amsterdam PGI meeting. This case there is no need to postpone the meeting. Morris, would it be possible to display the list of registered participants on the meeting's indico page? OGF PGI F2F Meeting April2010 https://www.egi.eu/indico/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=25 bye, Balazs

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next PGI F2F workshop?
by Balazs Konya 01 Apr '10

01 Apr '10

Dear All, As you may know many new European projects will start in May. Several of them are planning to use PGI outcome or will contribute to the specification creation. At the moment these projects are refining their workplans and discussing their positions with respect to PGI, especialy in view of the PGI group's new workplan. Under these circumstances it appears wise that we consider postponing the planned 28-29 April Amsterdam F2F meeting. I suggest the group discusses this situation during our afternoon meeting. bye, Balazs

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Reminder & Agenda: PGI Telcon Today 2010-04-01; 3:30 pm CET
by Morris Riedel 01 Apr '10

01 Apr '10

Hi folks, today will be a PGI telcon as planned on Thursday although rather being administrative than technical. (1) The Skype service is unfortunately not anymore available, but we can talk via the DFN screen-sharing tool. (2) Screen-Sharing: http://webconf.vc.dfn.de/ogf-pgi-wg/ No login is required. Just enter as 'guest' with your real world name. (3) Proposed agenda: (a) Intensive discussions how we can make progress with the requirements w/o telcons (b) Easter vacation problem mitigation (e.g. Balazs away until 12.4.) (c) Amsterdam workshop planning, registration reminder, agenda setup, etc. (d) Discussions about a new telcon tool (possibly funded via EMI similar like the previous one maybe) (e) AOB High participation is appreciated. Your co-chair, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel

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A proposal
by Andrew Grimshaw 30 Mar '10

30 Mar '10

All, At the last OGF I was struck by the parallelism in the work of PGI and the interoperability demonstrations running out of the GIN group (as one would expect). As PGI is currently in requirements gathering, to be followed at the end of April (I believe) by straw-man profiling to meet the requirements, I thought it might be useful to look carefully at what has been going on in the GIN interoperability demonstrations. The thing that struck me is the progress that is being made there. That got me to thinking about the European Globus initiative (IGI). It seems to me that it would be an excellent idea for IGI to participate in the GIN interoperability work using the Globus 4.2 variant that was developed for HPC-BP and OGSA-WSRF-BP interoperation projects. While I do not believe that the code made it into the production repository, surely the code is in the source code repository and could be brought back into play. That way we can expand not only the participation to more infrastructures, but also gain additional experience one the use of existing specifications to meet the requirements being generated in PGI. Any thoughts? Andrew

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