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PGI call notes, 22 Apr 2010
by Johannes Watzl 22 Apr '10

22 Apr '10

Participants: Morris, Balazs, David Wallom, Emmanoil, Etienne, Andrew, Johannes (joined 4pm), Luigi, Tim Parkinson Morris: Amsterdam meeting will take place google spread sheet to create the condensed list Etienne: just added a second colum with the number of requirement in the excel page David: info who has rejected it? Etienne: yes Morris: everybody can go through the list and say which requirements should remain in the list Etienne: everybody can put comments into the details page Morris: condensed list of requirements id is also in the condensed list Etienne: which ones are linked to service and which ones to functionality Balazs: what happened on Wednesday meeting? 200+ requirments Morris, Balazs, Etienne reorder, went through one by one and put in google spreadsheet searched for duplicates the only one thing left behind was updating the main wiki go to the wiki page and find requirements important for you and put on the mailing list why a requirement should not be dropped Morris: we should not just rename, tune etc old requirements - difficult process Andrew: is "rejected" and "dropped" the same? Etienne: yes Morris: how we go on? one way to rais an email - prediscuss prior to Amsterdam comments on rejected requirements: please use detail page! Andrew: everybody should have read all the requirements before Amsterdam Morris: Etienne, we had also the security parts - why not put a slot? Etienne: everything is consitant on the detail page you have the id Morris: list was condensed til logging and book keeping lot of discussions on Wednesday - continue tomorrow the condensed list will be sent out tomorrow, Friday Andrew: on the wiki the whole list? Morris: yes, with all the history intention to have a focused meeting in Amsterdam lot of requirements to discuss tomorrow are people comfortable with the list? Andrew: we will go over waiting for the condensed list David: will go through -- _ _ _ _ _ _ Johannes Watzl |\/| |\ | |\/| Institut für Informatik / Dept. of CS | | | \| | | Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München ======= TEAM ======= Oettingenstr. 67, 80538 Munich, Germany Room E 005, Phone +49-89-2180-9162 Munich Network Management Team Email: watzl(a)nm.ifi.lmu.de Münchner Netz-Management Team http://www.nm.ifi.lmu.de/~watzl

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Meeting in Amsterdam next week
by Andrew Grimshaw 22 Apr '10

22 Apr '10

All, After much internal discussion we have decided not to send Mark to Amsterdam next week. With the ash cloud situation, the uncertainties of travel are too high, with the exception that we can be sure it will be a mess. We remain committed to the process though. We will therefore, attend electronically - starting at 9 am Central European. Besides a phone in, is there a particular video conferencing setup? Is there equipment we should buy? Or will we be using a screen share such as glance? And regular dial in? Andrew

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Re: [Pgi-wg] Reminder & Agenda: PGI Telcon Today 2010-04-22; 3:30 pm CET
by Andrew Grimshaw 22 Apr '10

22 Apr '10

We can dial straight in though from other countries I assume (we pay the toll). A -----Original Message----- From: pgi-wg-bounces(a)ogf.org [mailto:pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Morris Riedel Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:57 AM To: 'David Wallom'; pgi-wg(a)ogf.org Cc: gin(a)ogf.org Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] Reminder & Agenda: PGI Telcon Today 2010-04-22; 3:30 pm CET Hi David, Sorry - no international numbers - the Juelich system - one easy temporary solution until our EU projects starts where we aim to get a cost free number next month or so... Maybe "pownow" is another option for next week but also with this system everybody pays and the chair needs an id, etc. Take care, Morris >-- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >-- Von: David Wallom [mailto:david.wallom@oerc.ox.ac.uk] >-- Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. April 2010 10:32 >-- An: Riedel, Morris; pgi-wg(a)ogf.org >-- Cc: gin(a)ogf.org >-- Betreff: Re: [Pgi-wg] Reminder & Agenda: PGI Telcon Today >2010-04-22; 3:30 >-- pm CET >-- >-- Hi Morris, >-- >-- Are their international number is for this or is it a Juelich based system? >-- >-- David >-- >-- >-- On 22/04/2010 08:41, "Morris Riedel" <m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de> wrote: >-- >-- > Dear PGI team, >-- > >-- > just a short reminder for our meeting today at 3:30 pm CET trying >out a >-- new >-- > telcon system: >-- > >-- > >-- > (1) >-- > ATTENTION: new telcon-system: >-- > >-- > Number: +49 69 4035 9803 >-- > >-- > Code: 166120# >-- > >-- > >-- > >-- > (2) >-- > Screen-Sharing (Voice Backup) >-- > >-- > http://webconf.vc.dfn.de/ogf-pgi-wg/ >-- > >-- > No login is required. Just enter as 'guest' with your real world name. >-- > >-- > >-- > >-- > (3) >-- > Proposed agenda: >-- > >-- > (a) >-- > Debrief minutes of last PGI TelCon >-- > >-- > (b) >-- > Talk about Amsterdam F2F Plans and Vulcano travel constraints >-- > >-- > (c) >-- > Debrief outcome & process of the 'condensed requirement set' >-- > >-- > (d) >-- > Next steps >-- > >-- > (e) >-- > AOB >-- > >-- > >-- > Please feel free to add other items on the agenda as you like. >-- > >-- > >-- > A high participation from the PGI and GIN members would be appreciated. >-- > >-- > Your co-chair, >-- > Morris >-- > >-- > ------------------------------------------------------------ >-- > Morris Riedel >-- > Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division >-- > >-- > Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) >-- > Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel >-- > >-- > >-- > _______________________________________________ >-- > Pgi-wg mailing list >-- > Pgi-wg(a)ogf.org >-- > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg >-- >-- -- >-- =================================== >-- Dr David Wallom >-- Technical Manager >-- Oxford e-Research Centre >-- University of Oxford >-- Rm 160, 7 Keble Road >-- Oxford >-- OX1 3QG >-- >-- +44(0)1865 610601 >-- =================================== >--

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Re: [Pgi-wg] Reminder & Agenda: PGI Telcon Today 2010-04-22; 3:30 pm CET
by David Wallom 22 Apr '10

22 Apr '10

Hi Morris, Are their international number is for this or is it a Juelich based system? David On 22/04/2010 08:41, "Morris Riedel" <m.riedel(a)fz-juelich.de> wrote: > Dear PGI team, > > just a short reminder for our meeting today at 3:30 pm CET trying out a new > telcon system: > > > (1) > ATTENTION: new telcon-system: > > Number: +49 69 4035 9803 > > Code: 166120# > > > > (2) > Screen-Sharing (Voice Backup) > > http://webconf.vc.dfn.de/ogf-pgi-wg/ > > No login is required. Just enter as 'guest' with your real world name. > > > > (3) > Proposed agenda: > > (a) > Debrief minutes of last PGI TelCon > > (b) > Talk about Amsterdam F2F Plans and Vulcano travel constraints > > (c) > Debrief outcome & process of the 'condensed requirement set' > > (d) > Next steps > > (e) > AOB > > > Please feel free to add other items on the agenda as you like. > > > A high participation from the PGI and GIN members would be appreciated. > > Your co-chair, > Morris > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Morris Riedel > Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division > > Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) > Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel > > > _______________________________________________ > Pgi-wg mailing list > Pgi-wg(a)ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg -- =================================== Dr David Wallom Technical Manager Oxford e-Research Centre University of Oxford Rm 160, 7 Keble Road Oxford OX1 3QG +44(0)1865 610601 ===================================

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Reminder & Agenda: PGI Telcon Today 2010-04-22; 3:30 pm CET
by Morris Riedel 22 Apr '10

22 Apr '10

Dear PGI team, just a short reminder for our meeting today at 3:30 pm CET trying out a new telcon system: (1) ATTENTION: new telcon-system: Number: +49 69 4035 9803 Code: 166120# (2) Screen-Sharing (Voice Backup) http://webconf.vc.dfn.de/ogf-pgi-wg/ No login is required. Just enter as 'guest' with your real world name. (3) Proposed agenda: (a) Debrief minutes of last PGI TelCon (b) Talk about Amsterdam F2F Plans and Vulcano travel constraints (c) Debrief outcome & process of the 'condensed requirement set' (d) Next steps (e) AOB Please feel free to add other items on the agenda as you like. A high participation from the PGI and GIN members would be appreciated. Your co-chair, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel

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FW: [Csfaculty] More than you could ever want to know about volcanic ash and aircraft engines
by Andrew Grimshaw 20 Apr '10

20 Apr '10

I'd say very interesting. I won't be flying no matter what the airlines say till the cloud disperses. A -----Original Message----- From: csfaculty-bounces(a)cs.virginia.edu [mailto:csfaculty-bounces@cs.virginia.edu] On Behalf Of John Knight Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:41 PM To: csfaculty Subject: [Csfaculty] More than you could ever want to know about volcanic ash and aircraft engines This report is *not* from the current ash cloud, but from a few years ago. See: http://www.alpa.org/portals/alpa/volcanicash/03_NASADC8AshDamage.pdf especially the photographs on page 16. The damage was extensive. -- John _______________________________________________ Csfaculty mailing list Csfaculty(a)mail.cs.virginia.edu http://www.cs.virginia.edu/mailman/listinfo/csfaculty

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PGI call, 15 April 2010, notes
by Johannes Watzl 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Participants: Morris, Balazs, Emmanouil, Etienne, Andrew, Johannes, Luigi, Mark, Steve Crouch (a) Review notes from previous meeting going through Morris and Balazs will suggest some strategies for requirements selection (b) Discuss cost-based phone conference facilities (FZJ, POWWOW, etc.) set up a service which is not free calling in let us temporarily use the FZJ tool (c) Amsterdam workshop planning, registration reminder, agenda setup(!), etc. Morris: discuss the process first - before the agenda huge list of requirements lot of requriements came from Etienne. Balazs and Morris should discuss with Etienne to refine and group the requirements first decisions if relevant or postponed Andrew: initial suggestions which to postpone? Morris: first make Etiennes requirments more more common put them on a separate page if there are objections put them back in the original list -> hava decrease of the number of requirements to have a faster process in Amsterdam Andrew: This is fine - everybody should be able to go through and nothing should disappear Morris: identify the groupings with Etienne get it in an excel sheet - clean overview deprecated or postponed on a special wiki page to everybody to argue if they should be really postponed everybody agrees Andrew: timeline for the three of you get together? Morris: Wednesday morning? Etienne is available Morris: everybody during next weeks call should be able to have a look at the list on wednesday evening or during the call ready list end of next week Andrew: anybody from IGE, Globus Emmanouil: not member of IGE, but from Globus at LRZ - will talk to Helmut Steve will be in Amsterdam Morris: have the excel sheet at the next call will point to the wiki page to edit the statements clarify the understanding in the Amsterdam meeting seems to be necessary step to close the requirmenets collection after Amsterdam Amsterdam meeting is the deadline for requirements collection? Anybody against? everybody agreed! repeat the steps: 1. Balazs, Morris, Etienne - go through the wiki page, find duplicates, groupiong 2. deprecated to another wiki page 3. put it in the excel sheet - available before next call - condensed set of requirements. discuss at the call 4. until Amsterdam -- everybody should point out which requirements are understood and which not outcome of Amsterdam: have the requrirments collection closed to be able to make strawman documents Etienne: sent a mail with the first list of requirements which need clarification (d) Continue work on requirements Morris: does not make sens - wait for the condensed list next week Balazs: start time for Amsterdam meeting? Morris: 9am everybody agreed Morris: something more to discuss? spend time what to do after Amsterdam etc. go through the requirements is the most important thing in Amsterdam try to stick shortly to the requirements - no grouping of the people set requirements in stone close the meeting the second day at 6pm ok for everyone stop between 5 and 6 (e) AOB -- _ _ _ _ _ _ Johannes Watzl |\/| |\ | |\/| Institut für Informatik / Dept. of CS | | | \| | | Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München ======= TEAM ======= Oettingenstr. 67, 80538 Munich, Germany Room E 005, Phone +49-89-2180-9162 Munich Network Management Team Email: watzl(a)nm.ifi.lmu.de Münchner Netz-Management Team http://www.nm.ifi.lmu.de/~watzl

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OGF PGI : Requirements Wiki - Pages associated to each requirement
by Etienne URBAH 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Balazs, Morris, Luigi, Johannes and all, Inside the 'Requirements Wiki' containing Requirements tables at http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/Require… : I have performed following work : - For each requirements of the NF 'Non-functional' section, I have created a Wiki page containing the requirement, my explanations, remarks and feelings. Please add your own explanations, remarks and feelings. - I will perform the same work for the AR 'Application Repository' and LB 'Logging and Bookkeeping' sections. - Please begin the same work for the other sections (clicking on a red underlined requirement number automatically creates an adequate empty wiki page). I am available for further information and help. Best regards. ----------------------------------------------------- Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr -----------------------------------------------------

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Reminder & Agenda: PGI Telcon Today 2010-04-15; 3:30 pm CET
by Morris Riedel 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi folks, today will be a PGI telcon: (1) The Skype service is unfortunately not anymore available, but we can talk via the DFN screen-sharing tool until we find an alternative. (2) Screen-Sharing: http://webconf.vc.dfn.de/ogf-pgi-wg/ No login is required. Just enter as 'guest' with your real world name. (3) Proposed agenda: (a) Review notes from previous meeting (b) Discuss cost-based phone conference facilities (FZJ, POWWOW, etc.) (c) Amsterdam workshop planning, registration reminder, agenda setup(!), etc. (d) Continue work on requirements (e) AOB High participation is appreciated. Please don't hesitate to add elements to the agenda. Your co-chair, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel

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Reminder: OGF PGI F2F Meeting April in Amsterdam: Call for Registration
by Morris Riedel 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

All, a short reminder to register for the meeting at: https://www.egi.eu/indico/confRegistrationFormDisplay.py?confId=25 >- Morris, would it be possible to display the list of registered participants on the meeting's indico page? Done - the list of registered folks (9) can be found at: >- https://www.egi.eu/indico/confRegistrantsDisplay.py/list?confId=25 The agenda setting will be part of tomorrow's call. Take care, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel

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