Data: Proposed agenda for Wednesday 9th March: NEW TIME
Dear all, Here is a proposed agenda for the data telcon on Wednesday March 9th, which will be at the NEW agreed time of 7.30am PST / 10.30am EST / 3.30pm GMT / 4.30 pm CET. UK Dial In: 0845 245 0224 US Dial In: 1866 838 0046 International Dial In: +44 1452 542309 PIN Number: 632 065 1) Early discussion (5 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Minutes approval (attached) - https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/Minutes_23rd_Febru ary_2005/en/1 Agenda bashing 2) Update on outstanding actions (5 min) - Dave to write draft charter for ByteIO WG - Mark to prepare document describing the draft ByteIO interface - Simon to mail the list about different types of metadata: data resource vs. service. - Mark to mail around URL of notes from London meeting - Dave to revise the current "straw man" document for next week - Dave to prepare concrete proposal for initial data profile (ByteIO, RNS, DAIS, GridFTP?) 3) GGF13 main session preparation (10 min) As part of the main OGSA outreach session, I will give a presentation on the data design team and the work we've done so far. I'd like to discuss this with the team on this call. 4) GGF13 BOF preparation (10 min) We have a BOF scheduled about the ByteIO interface. I have sent out a draft charter for the proposed WG. I would like to discuss how we should structure the BOF session. 5) GGF13 Profile preparation (10 min) Our first design team session is earmarked for discussion of an initial data profile, probably containing DAIS, SRM, ByteIO and possibly GridFTP. RNS has been put in a naming profile. I would like to discuss how we should structure the discussion. Also, it would be very helpful if someone would volunteer to write a first draft of a profile document. 6) Architecture update (15 min) I have put the current draft on GridForge - see https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/OGSA_Data_Architec ture_Straw_Man/en/1. We have a session booked to discuss this at GGF13, where we will concentrate on data architecture. 7) Wrap up (5 min) AOB Dave Berry Research Manager, National e-Science Centre 15 South College St., Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 6514039
Meeting minutes from London. /projects/ogsa-wg/document/OGSA_Data_Interim_Minutes_2_Feb_2005/en/1 -- Mark Morgan Research Scientist Department of Computer Science University of Virginia http://www.cs.virginia.edu mmm2a@virginia.edu (434) 982-2790
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Berry [mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:50 AM To: ogsa-wg Cc: Dave Pearson; Mario Antonioletti; Martin Westhead; gtr@ast.cam.ac.uk; chappella@battelle.org; arun@sdsc.edu; jxu@us.ibm.com; o.tatebe@aist.go.jp; Yves.Denneulin@imag.fr; ppadala@cise.ufl.edu; ivm@fnal.gov; jalameda@ncsa.uiuc.edu; annc@isi.edu; madsen@us.ibm.com; allcock@mcs.anl.gov; Allen Luniewski; Malcolm Atkinson; Susan Malaika; Peter Clarke (UCL); David E Martin; Peter Kunszt; Ian.Bird@cern.ch; Erwin.Laure@cern.ch; Gavin.Mccance@cern.ch; Scott Oster; Stephen Langella; Shannon Hastings; Manuel Pereira; Ted Anderson; Leo Luan; Mark M. Morgan Subject: Data: Proposed agenda for Wednesday 9th March: NEW TIME
Dear all,
Here is a proposed agenda for the data telcon on Wednesday March 9th, which will be at the NEW agreed time of 7.30am PST / 10.30am EST / 3.30pm GMT / 4.30 pm CET.
UK Dial In: 0845 245 0224 US Dial In: 1866 838 0046 International Dial In: +44 1452 542309
PIN Number: 632 065
1) Early discussion (5 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Minutes approval (attached) - https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/Minutes_ 23rd_Febru ary_2005/en/1 Agenda bashing
2) Update on outstanding actions (5 min) - Dave to write draft charter for ByteIO WG - Mark to prepare document describing the draft ByteIO interface - Simon to mail the list about different types of metadata: data resource vs. service. - Mark to mail around URL of notes from London meeting - Dave to revise the current "straw man" document for next week - Dave to prepare concrete proposal for initial data profile (ByteIO, RNS, DAIS, GridFTP?)
3) GGF13 main session preparation (10 min) As part of the main OGSA outreach session, I will give a presentation on the data design team and the work we've done so far. I'd like to discuss this with the team on this call.
4) GGF13 BOF preparation (10 min) We have a BOF scheduled about the ByteIO interface. I have sent out a draft charter for the proposed WG. I would like to discuss how we should structure the BOF session.
5) GGF13 Profile preparation (10 min) Our first design team session is earmarked for discussion of an initial data profile, probably containing DAIS, SRM, ByteIO and possibly GridFTP. RNS has been put in a naming profile. I would like to discuss how we should structure the discussion. Also, it would be very helpful if someone would volunteer to write a first draft of a profile document.
6) Architecture update (15 min) I have put the current draft on GridForge - see https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/OGSA_Dat a_Architec ture_Straw_Man/en/1. We have a session booked to discuss this at GGF13, where we will concentrate on data architecture.
7) Wrap up (5 min) AOB
Dave Berry Research Manager, National e-Science Centre 15 South College St., Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 6514039
-- Mark Morgan Research Scientist Department of Computer Science University of Virginia http://www.cs.virginia.edu mmm2a@virginia.edu (434) 982-2790
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Berry [mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:50 AM To: ogsa-wg Cc: Dave Pearson; Mario Antonioletti; Martin Westhead; gtr@ast.cam.ac.uk; chappella@battelle.org; arun@sdsc.edu; jxu@us.ibm.com; o.tatebe@aist.go.jp; Yves.Denneulin@imag.fr; ppadala@cise.ufl.edu; ivm@fnal.gov; jalameda@ncsa.uiuc.edu; annc@isi.edu; madsen@us.ibm.com; allcock@mcs.anl.gov; Allen Luniewski; Malcolm Atkinson; Susan Malaika; Peter Clarke (UCL); David E Martin; Peter Kunszt; Ian.Bird@cern.ch; Erwin.Laure@cern.ch; Gavin.Mccance@cern.ch; Scott Oster; Stephen Langella; Shannon Hastings; Manuel Pereira; Ted Anderson; Leo Luan; Mark M. Morgan Subject: Data: Proposed agenda for Wednesday 9th March: NEW TIME
Dear all,
Here is a proposed agenda for the data telcon on Wednesday March 9th, which will be at the NEW agreed time of 7.30am PST / 10.30am EST / 3.30pm GMT / 4.30 pm CET.
UK Dial In: 0845 245 0224 US Dial In: 1866 838 0046 International Dial In: +44 1452 542309
PIN Number: 632 065
1) Early discussion (5 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Minutes approval (attached) - https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/Minutes_ 23rd_Febru ary_2005/en/1 Agenda bashing
2) Update on outstanding actions (5 min) - Dave to write draft charter for ByteIO WG - Mark to prepare document describing the draft ByteIO interface - Simon to mail the list about different types of metadata: data resource vs. service. - Mark to mail around URL of notes from London meeting - Dave to revise the current "straw man" document for next week - Dave to prepare concrete proposal for initial data profile (ByteIO, RNS, DAIS, GridFTP?)
3) GGF13 main session preparation (10 min) As part of the main OGSA outreach session, I will give a presentation on the data design team and the work we've done so far. I'd like to discuss this with the team on this call.
4) GGF13 BOF preparation (10 min) We have a BOF scheduled about the ByteIO interface. I have sent out a draft charter for the proposed WG. I would like to discuss how we should structure the BOF session.
5) GGF13 Profile preparation (10 min) Our first design team session is earmarked for discussion of an initial data profile, probably containing DAIS, SRM, ByteIO and possibly GridFTP. RNS has been put in a naming profile. I would like to discuss how we should structure the discussion. Also, it would be very helpful if someone would volunteer to write a first draft of a profile document.
6) Architecture update (15 min) I have put the current draft on GridForge - see https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/OGSA_Dat a_Architec ture_Straw_Man/en/1. We have a session booked to discuss this at GGF13, where we will concentrate on data architecture.
7) Wrap up (5 min) AOB
Dave Berry Research Manager, National e-Science Centre 15 South College St., Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 6514039
Mark, You write "Further, we also believe that access to grids through the use of readily available, common protocols such as NFS and CIFS is important for the adoptability of grid technology. This document describes a prototype interface for a ByteIO port type – a simple web service port type which is reminiscent of a posix-like interface. This prototype addresses the various requirements for a simple, basic data access layer which NFS and CIFS modules can easily be written to interface with." I don't understand the relationship you are asserting between the ByteIO Web Service interface and NFS and CIFS. -Steve On Mar 11, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Mark Morgan wrote:
-- Mark Morgan Research Scientist Department of Computer Science University of Virginia http://www.cs.virginia.edu mmm2a@virginia.edu (434) 982-2790
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Berry [mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:50 AM To: ogsa-wg Cc: Dave Pearson; Mario Antonioletti; Martin Westhead; gtr@ast.cam.ac.uk; chappella@battelle.org; arun@sdsc.edu; jxu@us.ibm.com; o.tatebe@aist.go.jp; Yves.Denneulin@imag.fr; ppadala@cise.ufl.edu; ivm@fnal.gov; jalameda@ncsa.uiuc.edu; annc@isi.edu; madsen@us.ibm.com; allcock@mcs.anl.gov; Allen Luniewski; Malcolm Atkinson; Susan Malaika; Peter Clarke (UCL); David E Martin; Peter Kunszt; Ian.Bird@cern.ch; Erwin.Laure@cern.ch; Gavin.Mccance@cern.ch; Scott Oster; Stephen Langella; Shannon Hastings; Manuel Pereira; Ted Anderson; Leo Luan; Mark M. Morgan Subject: Data: Proposed agenda for Wednesday 9th March: NEW TIME
Dear all,
Here is a proposed agenda for the data telcon on Wednesday March 9th, which will be at the NEW agreed time of 7.30am PST / 10.30am EST / 3.30pm GMT / 4.30 pm CET.
UK Dial In: 0845 245 0224 US Dial In: 1866 838 0046 International Dial In: +44 1452 542309
PIN Number: 632 065
1) Early discussion (5 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Minutes approval (attached) - https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/Minutes_ 23rd_Febru ary_2005/en/1 Agenda bashing
2) Update on outstanding actions (5 min) - Dave to write draft charter for ByteIO WG - Mark to prepare document describing the draft ByteIO interface - Simon to mail the list about different types of metadata: data resource vs. service. - Mark to mail around URL of notes from London meeting - Dave to revise the current "straw man" document for next week - Dave to prepare concrete proposal for initial data profile (ByteIO, RNS, DAIS, GridFTP?)
3) GGF13 main session preparation (10 min) As part of the main OGSA outreach session, I will give a presentation on the data design team and the work we've done so far. I'd like to discuss this with the team on this call.
4) GGF13 BOF preparation (10 min) We have a BOF scheduled about the ByteIO interface. I have sent out a draft charter for the proposed WG. I would like to discuss how we should structure the BOF session.
5) GGF13 Profile preparation (10 min) Our first design team session is earmarked for discussion of an initial data profile, probably containing DAIS, SRM, ByteIO and possibly GridFTP. RNS has been put in a naming profile. I would like to discuss how we should structure the discussion. Also, it would be very helpful if someone would volunteer to write a first draft of a profile document.
6) Architecture update (15 min) I have put the current draft on GridForge - see https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/OGSA_Dat a_Architec ture_Straw_Man/en/1. We have a session booked to discuss this at GGF13, where we will concentrate on data architecture.
7) Wrap up (5 min) AOB
Dave Berry Research Manager, National e-Science Centre 15 South College St., Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 6514039
Steve, Thanks for the comment. In retrospect, there was probably no reason for me to even put that paragraph into the document that I sent out. All I was trying to say was that I believe that the adoption of grid's is reliant upon simple, easy access to the grid's functionallity. In the case of data, the simplest form of data access can be granted to grid users through common protocols and tools like NFS and CIFS. Keeping that in mind is a good thing. But, as you correctly pointed out, there isn't an explicit relationship between NFS and CIFS and ByteIO. -Mark -- Mark Morgan Research Scientist Department of Computer Science University of Virginia http://www.cs.virginia.edu mmm2a@virginia.edu (434) 982-2790
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Tuecke [mailto:tuecke@univa.com] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:26 PM To: Mark Morgan Cc: luan@almaden.ibm.com; jxu@us.ibm.com; ppadala@cise.ufl.edu; jalameda@ncsa.uiuc.edu; annc@isi.edu; madsen@us.ibm.com; hastings@bmi.osu.edu; arun@sdsc.edu; oster@bmi.osu.edu; ota@us.ibm.com; Ian.Bird@cern.ch; mpereira@us.ibm.com; chappella@battelle.org; ivm@fnal.gov; mpa@nesc.ac.uk; o.tatebe@aist.go.jp; Dave.Pearson@oracle.com; Erwin.Laure@cern.ch; mario@epcc.ed.ac.uk; Steve Tuecke; daveb@nesc.ac.uk; clarke@hep.ucl.ac.uk; ogsa-wg@gridforum.org; M.Westhead@epcc.ed.ac.uk; langella@bmi.osu.edu; Yves.Denneulin@imag.fr; mmm2a@cs.virginia.edu; luniew@almaden.ibm.com; Gavin.Mccance@cern.ch; pkunszt@mail.cern.ch; malaika@us.ibm.com; allcock@mcs.anl.gov; gtr@ast.cam.ac.uk; martinde@us.ibm.com Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] Draft ByteIO Document
Mark,
You write "Further, we also believe that access to grids through the use of readily available, common protocols such as NFS and CIFS is important for the adoptability of grid technology. This document describes a prototype interface for a ByteIO port type a simple web service port type which is reminiscent of a posix-like interface. This prototype addresses the various requirements for a simple, basic data access layer which NFS and CIFS modules can easily be written to interface with."
I don't understand the relationship you are asserting between the ByteIO Web Service interface and NFS and CIFS.
-Steve
On Mar 11, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Mark Morgan wrote:
-- Mark Morgan Research Scientist Department of Computer Science University of Virginia http://www.cs.virginia.edu mmm2a@virginia.edu (434) 982-2790
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Berry [mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:50 AM To: ogsa-wg Cc: Dave Pearson; Mario Antonioletti; Martin Westhead; gtr@ast.cam.ac.uk; chappella@battelle.org; arun@sdsc.edu; jxu@us.ibm.com; o.tatebe@aist.go.jp; Yves.Denneulin@imag.fr; ppadala@cise.ufl.edu; ivm@fnal.gov; jalameda@ncsa.uiuc.edu; annc@isi.edu; madsen@us.ibm.com; allcock@mcs.anl.gov; Allen Luniewski; Malcolm Atkinson; Susan Malaika; Peter Clarke
E Martin; Peter Kunszt; Ian.Bird@cern.ch; Erwin.Laure@cern.ch; Gavin.Mccance@cern.ch; Scott Oster; Stephen Langella; Shannon Hastings; Manuel Pereira; Ted Anderson; Leo Luan; Mark M. Morgan Subject: Data: Proposed agenda for Wednesday 9th March: NEW TIME
Dear all,
Here is a proposed agenda for the data telcon on Wednesday March 9th, which will be at the NEW agreed time of 7.30am PST / 10.30am EST / 3.30pm GMT / 4.30 pm CET.
UK Dial In: 0845 245 0224 US Dial In: 1866 838 0046 International Dial In: +44 1452 542309
PIN Number: 632 065
1) Early discussion (5 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Minutes approval (attached) - https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/Minutes_ 23rd_Febru ary_2005/en/1 Agenda bashing
2) Update on outstanding actions (5 min) - Dave to write draft charter for ByteIO WG - Mark to prepare document describing the draft ByteIO interface - Simon to mail the list about different types of metadata: data resource vs. service. - Mark to mail around URL of notes from London meeting - Dave to revise the current "straw man" document for next week - Dave to prepare concrete proposal for initial data
RNS, DAIS, GridFTP?)
3) GGF13 main session preparation (10 min) As part of the
(UCL); David profile (ByteIO, main OGSA
outreach session, I will give a presentation on the data design team and the work we've done so far. I'd like to discuss this with the team on this call.
4) GGF13 BOF preparation (10 min) We have a BOF scheduled about the ByteIO interface. I have sent out a draft charter for the proposed WG. I would like to discuss how we should structure the BOF session.
5) GGF13 Profile preparation (10 min) Our first design team session is earmarked for discussion of an initial data profile, probably containing DAIS, SRM, ByteIO and possibly GridFTP. RNS has been put in a naming profile. I would like to discuss how we should structure the discussion. Also, it would be very helpful if someone would volunteer to write a first draft of a profile document.
6) Architecture update (15 min) I have put the current draft on GridForge - see https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/OGSA_Dat a_Architec ture_Straw_Man/en/1. We have a session booked to discuss this at GGF13, where we will concentrate on data architecture.
7) Wrap up (5 min) AOB
Dave Berry Research Manager, National e-Science Centre 15 South College St., Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 6514039
Mark: It would seem to me that a Web services data access interface could usefully be modeled on WebDAV (www.webdav.org). Have you looked at that? Regards, Ian. At 03:50 PM 3/11/2005 -0500, Mark Morgan wrote:
-- Mark Morgan Research Scientist Department of Computer Science University of Virginia http://www.cs.virginia.edu mmm2a@virginia.edu (434) 982-2790
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Berry [mailto:daveb@nesc.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:50 AM To: ogsa-wg Cc: Dave Pearson; Mario Antonioletti; Martin Westhead; gtr@ast.cam.ac.uk; chappella@battelle.org; arun@sdsc.edu; jxu@us.ibm.com; o.tatebe@aist.go.jp; Yves.Denneulin@imag.fr; ppadala@cise.ufl.edu; ivm@fnal.gov; jalameda@ncsa.uiuc.edu; annc@isi.edu; madsen@us.ibm.com; allcock@mcs.anl.gov; Allen Luniewski; Malcolm Atkinson; Susan Malaika; Peter Clarke (UCL); David E Martin; Peter Kunszt; Ian.Bird@cern.ch; Erwin.Laure@cern.ch; Gavin.Mccance@cern.ch; Scott Oster; Stephen Langella; Shannon Hastings; Manuel Pereira; Ted Anderson; Leo Luan; Mark M. Morgan Subject: Data: Proposed agenda for Wednesday 9th March: NEW TIME
Dear all,
Here is a proposed agenda for the data telcon on Wednesday March 9th, which will be at the NEW agreed time of 7.30am PST / 10.30am EST / 3.30pm GMT / 4.30 pm CET.
UK Dial In: 0845 245 0224 US Dial In: 1866 838 0046 International Dial In: +44 1452 542309
PIN Number: 632 065
1) Early discussion (5 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Minutes approval (attached) - https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/Minutes_ 23rd_Febru ary_2005/en/1 Agenda bashing
2) Update on outstanding actions (5 min) - Dave to write draft charter for ByteIO WG - Mark to prepare document describing the draft ByteIO interface - Simon to mail the list about different types of metadata: data resource vs. service. - Mark to mail around URL of notes from London meeting - Dave to revise the current "straw man" document for next week - Dave to prepare concrete proposal for initial data profile (ByteIO, RNS, DAIS, GridFTP?)
3) GGF13 main session preparation (10 min) As part of the main OGSA outreach session, I will give a presentation on the data design team and the work we've done so far. I'd like to discuss this with the team on this call.
4) GGF13 BOF preparation (10 min) We have a BOF scheduled about the ByteIO interface. I have sent out a draft charter for the proposed WG. I would like to discuss how we should structure the BOF session.
5) GGF13 Profile preparation (10 min) Our first design team session is earmarked for discussion of an initial data profile, probably containing DAIS, SRM, ByteIO and possibly GridFTP. RNS has been put in a naming profile. I would like to discuss how we should structure the discussion. Also, it would be very helpful if someone would volunteer to write a first draft of a profile document.
6) Architecture update (15 min) I have put the current draft on GridForge - see https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/OGSA_Dat a_Architec ture_Straw_Man/en/1. We have a session booked to discuss this at GGF13, where we will concentrate on data architecture.
7) Wrap up (5 min) AOB
Dave Berry Research Manager, National e-Science Centre 15 South College St., Edinburgh Tel: +44 131 6514039
_______________________________________________________________ Ian Foster www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster Math & Computer Science Div. Dept of Computer Science Argonne National Laboratory The University of Chicago Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A. Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A. Tel: 630 252 4619 Fax: 630 252 1997 Globus Alliance, www.globus.org
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Steve Tuecke