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Proposed agenda for June 5th call
by Hiro Kishimoto 05 Jun '06

05 Jun '06

Hi all, The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on June 5th Monday from 5pm to 7pm (CDT). The dial-in number for Monday; US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 (0)207 3655269 (London) Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) PIN: 4371991 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0605 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (20 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval (June 1st) https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20060601/en/1 July F2F update if any Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email) Agenda bashing 2) Information model (Ellen and Fred, 60 min) - Information Modeling in OGSA - Position Paper https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/Info_Model_position_p… - BES Information Model https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/BES_info_model > The main issue discussed was the difference between the approach > proposed for a (minimal/)general element that can be used to > express <name,value> pairs, with the value part being typeless VS > extension using an xsd:any and defining a schema. > - (See also minutes of GGF17 and April 27.) > - There has been experience with both approaches > - Difference is relying on explicit typing vs convention; and > checking types when validating vs matching time (fail in a subtle > fashion) > - Discussed whether stronger typing with a schema makes for easier > checking. Having an xsd:any doesn't help as much as people might > think for checking types; matching might still fail later. > - It is still necessary to define conventions. Need to define a set > of <name,value> conventions > - Andrew's issue is whether the value (in (<name,value>) is typed. > - Type checking information is needed somewhere; and wouldn't > want to have it only in the code > - Jay will contact Platform (Chris Smith) and Condor (Miron Livny) > to get feedback on pros / cons of the two rendering approaches > - Jay is following up. He has a meeting (6/12) with Miron and will > arrange to get some feedback; but probably not by next call. > > - Darren/Andreas will take the Modeling position paper and discuss > it within the JSDL-WG as well From April 24 call > - No JSDL call yet. 3) Wrap up (10 min) AOB <*NEXT CALL*> June 8 (Thu): EMS scenarios (Steven and Andreas) June 12 (Mon): CDDLM & EMS (Jun and Hiro) June 15 (Thu): Security & BSP Public Comments review (Frank and Takuya) Architecture & Glossary 1.5 (Andreas and Jem) June 19 (Mon): Information model (Ellen and Fred) Roadmap 1.1 (Hiro, ChrisJ, and Jem) June 22 (Thu): EMS scenarios (Steven and Andreas) June 26 (Mon): Security & BSP Public Comments review (Frank and Takuya) CDDLM & EMS (Jun and Hiro) <*ACTION ITEMS*> From May 22 call - Jay will contact Platform (Chris Smith) and Condor (Miron Livny) to get feedback on pros / cons of the two rendering approaches - Darren/Andreas will take the Modeling position paper and discuss it within the JSDL-WG as well From April 5 F2F meeting - Marvin to send e-mail that explains concerns on compliance suite by GGF & EGA. Deferred - Frank to write up and send to the list a one page summary of the authorization call-out proposal. (April 24 call, postpone until June 14) - Jay check and find out relatively small funding to Globus to develop document on their security work (April 6 F2F) - Hiro to schedule a discussion in the OGSA F2F after the converged specs drafts are released to discuss which sets of specs to use within OGSA. (April 4 F2F) -- Hiro Kishimoto

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gridforge screwed up?
by Frank Siebenlist 05 Jun '06

05 Jun '06

It seems our dear forge.gridforum.org has been "upgraded" and "improved"... i cannot login and links have disappeared :-( -Frank. -- Frank Siebenlist franks(a)mcs.anl.gov The Globus Alliance - Argonne National Laboratory

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Teleconference minutes - 1 June 2006
by Andreas Savva 02 Jun '06

02 Jun '06

Attached. https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20060601/en/1 -- Andreas Savva Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd OGSA Teleconference - 1 June 2006 ================================= * Participants Jay Unger (IBM) Frank Siebenlist (ANL) Andreas Savva (Fujitsu) Tom Maguire (EMC) Hiro Kishimoto (Fujitsu) Chris Jordan (SDSC) Donal Fellows (UoM) Michel Drescher (Fujitsu) Minutes: Andreas Savva * May 25 teleconference minutes approved with no changes * Basic Security Profile public comments status - Some comments received from Von Welch - The public comment period runs to June 20. * Review of Action Items (Only items with updates are listed.) - The chairs to send out what registration is needed to enter ANL for the F2F. - Hiro has sent a mail to the list with details on how to register. - Ian has booked the meeting room. Also a block of rooms has been reserved at the Argonne Guest House. - The group will split the cost of refreshments. Jay will talk with Steve Tuecke if it's possible for someone coming in from the outside to pick up coffee etc. - No security session at the F2F since Frank is on vacation. - Andreas to ask CDDLM (actually Jun, Hiro) for the corresponding CDL documents - Email sent. (Closed) - Check whether CDL documents are available at next document review. - Andreas will talk with the ACS chair and draw up a first draft of interaction for review. - Working on draft scenario. (Closed) - Check draft scenario at next document review. - Donal to refine step 1 and 2 to show the RSS interaction - Donal to change the source/target urls in the JSDL example to use remote resources. - Draft received. (Closed) - Andreas will merge in new draft. Check at next document review. - Jay will contact Platform (Chris Smith) and Condor (Miron Livny) to get feedback on pros / cons of the two rendering approaches - Jay is following up. He has a meeting (6/12) with Miron and will arrange to get some feedback; but probably not by next call. - Darren/Andreas will take the Modeling position paper and discuss it within the JSDL-WG as well From April 24 call - No JSDL call yet. - Frank to write up and send to the list a one page summary of the authorization call-out proposal. - Today's agenda item. * OGSA authorization call-out proposal review - Frank submitted a proposal to the XACML group. They discussed it and decided to follow a different approach. Frank forwarded an email describing the XACML group's decision. - (The SAML profile defines the format on the wire when the request is remote. The local case is considered internal and left up to the implementation.) - Frank is now consulting with people in GGF (David Chadwick, Von Welch) on whether his approach can be defined within the AuthZ group. If there is no agreement then he will accept the XACML group's decision. - Review status again on the June 15 teleconference. * OGSA document schedule review (Hiro 30 min) - Reviewed Hiro's proposal. Agreed to all changes with the following amendments: - BSPs - move expected publication date to August - Guidelines document: fix typo 2000-07 -> 2006-07 - Agreed to delete the Information/monitoring document since there is no plan to work on this now. * Architecture 1.5 status - Document came out of public comment with no comments. Two minor comments since. - Andreas has received permission from Geoffrey Fox to use his presentation from the GGF17 panel as a public comment. He will post a link to it and review it separately. - Also a small number of people have been asked to review the document but there are no positive replies yet. - Discussed what to do if no more comments are received. Agreed that since this is a minor revision a second round of public comment is not necessary. The group will make whatever minor changes are needed and submit the document to the GGF Editor. - The glossary has more comments but it expected that if no other comments are received the documents can be revised and re-submitted in June.

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[Fwd: Re: [xacml] Minutes of the 25 May, 2006 TC meeting]
by Frank Siebenlist 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

FYI - Frank. -- Frank Siebenlist franks(a)mcs.anl.gov The Globus Alliance - Argonne National Laboratory

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Visitor's info for July F2F
by Hiro Kishimoto 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

Hi all, > - The chairs to send out what registration is needed to > enter ANL for the F2F. Ian is kind enough to reserve conference room and block guest rooms for July F2F meeting. Attendees: (1) Please fill out attached form and send it to valentin(a)mcs.anl.gov ASAP. (2) Make your reservation at Argonne Guest House (http://www.aps.anl.gov/travel/anlghhome.html) through web form; http://www.aps.anl.gov/travel/accomodation-form.html or call (630)739-6000. Argonne Contact Person: Ian Foster Argonne Contact Telephone Number: +1-630-252-4619 Argonne Contact Division/Department: DSL MCS Thanks, -- Hiro Kishimoto

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OGSA document schedule
by Hiro Kishimoto 31 May '06

31 May '06

Hi all, > 3) OGSA document schedule review (Hiro 30 min) > Review progress of working documents > New OGSA documents proposal > - Hiro will send out proposal before the call > Update GridForge live charter GFSG asks us to keep "WG live charter" up-to-date. I update information for your review. You can see our live charter at; http://www.ggf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?review&group=ogsa-wg Attached is pdf file of this page with mark-up. The following is the summary of my updates; (1) Group Summary I've copied text from GridForge Project page. (2) Charter Focus/Purpose and Scope I've copied text from GridForge Project page. (3) Exit Strategy I've copied text from our charter document. (4) Goals/Deliverables (OGSA 1.5 and Glossary 1.5) Add completed date for "public comment ready" Update due date for "publication" (5) Goals/Deliverables (OGSA Information/Monitoring Architecture) I propose to delete this deliverable. (6) New Goals/Deliverables - OGSA Basic Security Profile 1.0 – Core - OGSA Basic Security Profile 1.0 – Secure Channel - Defining the Grid: A Roadmap for OGSA Standards 1.1 - Guidelines for Information Modeling for OGSA Entities - EMS container information model profile 1.0 - OGSA EMS Architecture Scenarios 1.0 - OGSA EMS Architecture 1.0 Thanks, -- Hiro Kishimoto

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Proposed agenda for June 1st call
by Hiro Kishimoto 30 May '06

30 May '06

Hi all, The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on June 1st Thursday from 8:30am - 10:30am (CDT). Dial-in numbers for Thursday: Free: +1-888-452-0308 Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505 PIN: 71815 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0601 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (10 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval (May 25) https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20060525/en/1 BSP Public Comments status check Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email) Agenda bashing 2) OGSA authorization call-out proposal review (Frank 20min) >> Frank to write up and send to the list a one page summary of >> the authorization call-out proposal. Frank has been exchanging private emails with some of the xacml-tc members about the xacml-3 approach for the call-out to get a feel for the effort involved. He is not very happy with their model and he is trying to convince them to do the "right thing". If he does not succeed, then he will discuss with the authz-tc (WG?) members whether they want to define their own, non-xacml-3 compliant interface instead. 3) OGSA document schedule review (Hiro 30 min) Review progress of working documents New OGSA documents proposal - Hiro will send out proposal before the call Update GridForge live charter 4) Architecture 1.5 discussion (Andreas 20 min) Status review 5) Wrap up (10 min) AOB <*NEXT CALL*> June 5 (Mon): Information model (Ellen and Fred) June 8 (Thu): EMS scenarios (Steven and Andreas) June 12 (Mon): Security & BSP Public Comments review (Frank and Takuya) CDDLM & EMS (Jun and Hiro) June 15 (Thu): Architecture & Glossary 1.5 (Andreas and Jem) June 19 (Mon): Information model (Ellen and Fred) Roadmap 1.1 (Hiro, ChrisJ, and Jem) <*ACTION ITEMS*> From May 25 call - The chairs to send out what registration is needed to enter ANL for the F2F. - Andreas to ask CDDLM (actually Jun, Hiro) for the corresponding CDL documents - Andreas will talk with the ACS chair and draw up a first draft of interaction for review. - Donal to refine step 1 and 2 to show the RSS interaction - Donal to change the source/target urls in the JSDL example to use remote resources. From May 22 call - Jay will contact Platform (Chris Smith) and Condor (Miron Livny) to get feedback on pros / cons of the two rendering approaches - Darren/Andreas will take the Modeling position paper and discuss it within the JSDL-WG as well From April 24 call - Frank to write up and send to the list a one page summary of the authorization call-out proposal. From April 5 F2F meeting - Marvin to send e-mail that explains concerns on compliance suite by GGF & EGA. Deferred - Jay check and find out relatively small funding to Globus to develop document on their security work (April 6 F2F) - Hiro to schedule a discussion in the OGSA F2F after the converged specs drafts are released to discuss which sets of specs to use within OGSA. (April 4 F2F) -- Hiro Kishimoto

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Teleconference minutes - 25 May 2006
by Andreas Savva 29 May '06

29 May '06

Minutes attached. https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20060525/en/1 -- Andreas Savva Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd OGSA Teleconference - 25 May 2006 ================================= * Participants Donal Fellows (UoM) Michel Drescher (Fujitsu) Chris Jordan (SDSC) Steven Newhouse (OMII) Andreas Savva (Fujitsu) Dave Snelling (Fujitsu) Ellen Stokes (IBM) Jay Unger (IBM) Apologies: Hiro Kishimoto Minutes: Andreas Savva * Summary of Actions ACTION: The chairs to send out what registration is needed to enter ANL for the F2F. ACTION: Andreas to ask CDDLM (actually Jun, Hiro) for the corresponding CDL documents ACTION: Andreas will talk with the ACS chair and draw up a first draft of interaction for review. ACTION: Donal to refine step 1 and 2 to show the RSS interaction ACTION: Donal to change the source/target urls in the JSDL example to use remote resources. * Telecon minutes (May 22): approved with no changes * Action Items: No updates * OGSA-WG Summer F2F meeting Discussed and confirmed the choice of location (Chicago, ANL) and dates (July 17-20). - Expecting participation of Globus and Univa representatives. - Steven Newhouse cannot attend in person (Grid School). EMS discussion is set for Tuesday morning, which is good as it allows him to dial in. - DMTF alliance meeting: Ellen has arranged for the GGF meetings to be on Thursday so she can participate in the F2F until Wednesday. - Everyone intending to participate should send passport details to ANL. US citizens are better off sending their details also as it speeds the entry process. ACTION: The chairs to send out what registration is needed to enter ANL for the F2F. - Agenda corrections: - "GGF18 planning" on Thursday * EMS scenario discussion - Andreas sent out updated draft before the call. - Where do licenses fit in this scenario? - Scenario is intended to work out relationship between JSDL and CDL, so licences are not a part of it. (Could deal with them in a number of different ways: reserve/allocate before installing the software. Floating licenses might mean no delay at installation but cause a wait at runtime) - BLAST may not be appropriate example - The text is already changed to empasize that BLAST is an example. Better suggestions welcome. - There are 3 empty sections where the CDL should go. It is not necessary to have the entire component definitions, just the top level document. - ACS interaction should be added (separate scenario). Some points where it should fit in have been highlighted. The plan is to have a first draft of the entire scenarios document (up to and including cddlm interaction) by the July F2F and review it with the intention of submitting to GGF as an informational document. ACTION: Andreas to ask CDDLM (actually Jun, Hiro) for the corresponding CDL documents ACTION: Andreas will talk with the ACS chair and draw up a first draft of interaction for review. ACTION: Donal to refine step 1 and 2 to show the RSS interaction ACTION: Donal to change the source/target urls in the JSDL example to use remote resources. * OGSA document schedule review Deferred since no proposal was sent to the list.

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No call on May 29th
by Hiro Kishimoto 27 May '06

27 May '06

Hi all, Since upcoming Monday is US holiday (Memorial day), we have no call on May 29th. Next call is June 1st Thursday. Enjoy your holiday! -- Hiro Kishimoto

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Proposed agenda for May 25th call
by Hiro Kishimoto 25 May '06

25 May '06

Hi all, The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on May 25th Thursday from 8:30am - 10:30am (CDT). Dial-in numbers for Thursday: Free: +1-888-452-0308 Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505 PIN: 71815 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0525 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (20 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval (May 22) https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20060522/en/1 Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email) Agenda bashing 2) OGSA-WG Summer F2F meeting (30 min) Tentative plan is the week of July 17th in Chicago (ANL). Hiro will send out survey result and session agenda proposal before the call. 3) EMS scenario discussion (Steven and Andreas, 40 min) Andreas will send out updated draft before the call. 4) OGSA document schedule review (30 min) Review progress of working documents New OGSA documents proposal - Hiro will send out proposal before the call Update GridForge live charter 5) Wrap up AOB <*NEXT CALL*> May 29 (Mon): No call (Memorial day) June 1 (Thu): OGSA authorization call-out proposal review (Frank) Architecture 1.5 (Andreas) June 5 (Mon): Information model (Ellen and Fred) June 8 (Thu): EMS scenarios (Steven and Andreas) June 12 (Mon): Security & BSP Public Comments review (Frank and Takuya) CDDLM & EMS (Jun and Hiro) June 15 (Thu): Architecture & Glossary 1.5 (Andreas and Jem) June 19 (Mon): Information model (Ellen and Fred) Roadmap 1.1 (Hiro, ChrisJ, and Jem) <*ACTION ITEMS*> From May 22 call - Jay will contact Platform (Chris Smith) and Condor (Miron Livny) to get feedback on pros / cons of the two rendering approaches - Darren/Andreas will take the Modeling position paper and discuss it within the JSDL-WG as well From April 24 call - Frank to write up and send to the list a one page summary of the authorization call-out proposal. From April 5 F2F meeting - Marvin to send e-mail that explains concerns on compliance suite by GGF & EGA. Deferred - Jay check and find out relatively small funding to Globus to develop document on their security work (April 6 F2F) - Hiro to schedule a discussion in the OGSA F2F after the converged specs drafts are released to discuss which sets of specs to use within OGSA. (April 4 F2F) -- Hiro Kishimoto

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