June 2007 - ogsa-wg - lists.ogf.org

OGSA-WG Summer interim F2F survey
by Hiro Kishimoto 12 Jun '07

12 Jun '07

Hi all, OGSA-WG are going to have an interim F2F meeting from August 13 to 15 in Sunnyvale CA. https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1776 If you have not yet answered, please let us know your availability through the following SurveyMonkey page sooner than later. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=88233875297 So far, the following folks will plan to come: Attendees in person (8) * Hiro Kishimoto, Fujitsu * Fred Maciel, Hitachi * Michel Drescher, Fujitsu * Mark Morgan, UVa * Ellen Stokes, IBM * David Snelling, Fujitsu * Donal Fellows, UoM * Steve McGough, IC Dial-in (1) * Hugo Mills, OMII Thanks, -- Hiro Kishimoto

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[Reminder] General/Logistics (Hiro Kishimoto) @ 2007-06-11 18:00 - 19:00 ()
by Google Calendar 10 Jun '07

10 Jun '07

ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org, this is a reminder for Title: General/Logistics (Hiro Kishimoto) Time: 2007-06-11 18:00 - 19:00 (Central Time) Where: http://ogsa.glance.net/ Calendar: Description: When: 7-8pm EDT, 6-7pm CDT, 4-5pm PDT, 8-9am JST, midnight-1am UK The dial-in number for Monday; US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 (0)207 3655269 (London) Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) PIN: 4371991 See more information: - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477 Screen share service: URL: http://ogsa.glance.net/ Usage: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584 Note: ** OGF IPR POLICY APPLIES ** http://www.ogf.org/About/abt_policies.php 1) Early discussion Social study notification - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1717 Note taker assignment Roll call Agenda bashing 2) OGSA primer update (10 min, Andrew) 3) Profile interop update (10 min, David Snelling) 4) New telecon procedure using Google Calendar (10 min, Andreas) Proposal and trial Schedule review 5) Summer F2F meeting update (10 min, Hiro) 6) AoB Minutes approval Mar. F2F data grid: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14322 Mar. F2F JSDL 2.0: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14327 Apr. 5 profile interop: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14390 Apr. 23 logistics: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14411 OGF20 profile interop: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14483 F2F EMS scenarios & logistics: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14536 May 21 logistics: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14553 Action Item review AI-0915d: Tom will post BP base faults issue to tracker AI-0314pm-a: Jay (and Andrew) to write up a short paper describing the resolution of data grid usecase/requirements AI-0511c: Steve Newhouse volunteered to look into the possible next documents for the EMS Architecture and draw up a proposal AI-0511d: Hiro to do another zoomerang to confirm summer F2F dates You can view this event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=NmViYnRiYXRzcjFtaXBla2… You are receiving this courtesy email at the account ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future notifications for this event, decline this event. Alternatively you can sign up for a Google Calendar account at http://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar.

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[Reminder] Glossary (Jem Treadwell) @ 2007-06-11 17:00 - 18:00 ()
by Google Calendar 10 Jun '07

10 Jun '07

ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org, this is a reminder for Title: Glossary (Jem Treadwell) Time: 2007-06-11 17:00 - 18:00 (Central Time) Where: http://ogsa.glance.net/?key=0611 Calendar: Description: When: 6-7pm EDT, 5-6pm CDT, 3-4pm PDT, 7-8am JST, 11pm-midnight UK The dial-in number for Monday; US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 (0)207 3655269 (London) Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) PIN: 4371991 See more information: - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477 Screen share service: URL: http://ogsa.glance.net/ Usage: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584 Note: ** OGF IPR POLICY APPLIES ** http://www.ogf.org/About/abt_policies.php 1) Early discussion Social study notification - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1717 Note taker assignment Roll call Agenda bashing 2) OGSA glossary review Jem will send out revised glossary draft before the call. Minutes approval Mar. 1: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14272 Apr. 12: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14399 OGF20 F2F: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14536 Action Item review You can view this event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=YTZwaWxvZWd1dDc1ZTUxaD… You are receiving this courtesy email at the account ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future notifications for this event, decline this event. Alternatively you can sign up for a Google Calendar account at http://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar.

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[Invitation] General/Logistics (Hiro Kishimoto) @ 2007-06-11 6pm - 7pm ()
by Hiro Kishimoto 10 Jun '07

10 Jun '07

ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org, you are invited to Title: General/Logistics (Hiro Kishimoto) Time: 2007-06-11 6pm - 7pm (Central Time) Where: http://ogsa.glance.net/ Calendar: Description: When: 7-8pm EDT, 6-7pm CDT, 4-5pm PDT, 8-9am JST, midnight-1am UK The dial-in number for Monday; US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 (0)207 3655269 (London) Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) PIN: 4371991 See more information: - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477 Screen share service: URL: http://ogsa.glance.net/ Usage: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584 Note: ** OGF IPR POLICY APPLIES ** http://www.ogf.org/About/abt_policies.php 1) Early discussion Social study notification - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1717 Note taker assignment Roll call Agenda bashing 2) OGSA primer update (10 min, Andrew) 3) Profile interop update (10 min, David Snelling) 4) New telecon procedure using Google Calendar (10 min, Andreas) Proposal and trial Schedule review 5) Summer F2F meeting update (10 min, Hiro) 6) AoB Minutes approval Mar. F2F data grid: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14322 Mar. F2F JSDL 2.0: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14327 Apr. 5 profile interop: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14390 Apr. 23 logistics: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14411 OGF20 profile interop: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14483 F2F EMS scenarios & logistics: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14536 May 21 logistics: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14553 Action Item review AI-0915d: Tom will post BP base faults issue to tracker AI-0314pm-a: Jay (and Andrew) to write up a short paper describing the resolution of data grid usecase/requirements AI-0511c: Steve Newhouse volunteered to look into the possible next documents for the EMS Architecture and draw up a proposal AI-0511d: Hiro to do another zoomerang to confirm summer F2F dates You can view this event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=NmViYnRiYXRzcjFtaXBla2… You are receiving this courtesy email at the account ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future notifications for this event, decline this event. Alternatively you can sign up for a Google Calendar account at http://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar.

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[Invitation] Glossary (Jem Treadwell) @ 2007-06-11 5pm - 6pm ()
by Hiro Kishimoto 10 Jun '07

10 Jun '07

ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org, you are invited to Title: Glossary (Jem Treadwell) Time: 2007-06-11 5pm - 6pm (Central Time) Where: http://ogsa.glance.net/?key=0611 Calendar: Description: When: 6-7pm EDT, 5-6pm CDT, 3-4pm PDT, 7-8am JST, 11pm-midnight UK The dial-in number for Monday; US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 (0)207 3655269 (London) Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) PIN: 4371991 See more information: - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477 Screen share service: URL: http://ogsa.glance.net/ Usage: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584 Note: ** OGF IPR POLICY APPLIES ** http://www.ogf.org/About/abt_policies.php 1) Early discussion Social study notification - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1717 Note taker assignment Roll call Agenda bashing 2) OGSA glossary review Jem will send out revised glossary draft before the call. Minutes approval Mar. 1: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14272 Apr. 12: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14399 OGF20 F2F: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14536 Action Item review You can view this event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=YTZwaWxvZWd1dDc1ZTUxaD… You are receiving this courtesy email at the account ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future notifications for this event, decline this event. Alternatively you can sign up for a Google Calendar account at http://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar.

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OGSA Information Services Design Team co-lead
by Hiro Kishimoto 10 Jun '07

10 Jun '07

Hi all, Adrian Toth, University of Miskolc, volunteers to serve a co-lead of OGSA Information Services design team and works with Laurence Field. I've updated design team wiki page accordingly. https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1618 Thanks, -- Hiro Kishimoto

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Information service minutes draft from June 7 call
by Hiro Kishimoto 10 Jun '07

10 Jun '07

OGSA Teleconference - 7 June 2007 - Information Services ======================================================== * Attendees: - ZackK - Ellen Stokes (IBM) - Donal Fellows (UoM) - Sergio Andreozzi (INFN) - Chris Kantarjiev (Oracle) - David Snelling (Fujitsu) - Laurence Field (CERN) - Hiro Kishimoto (Fujitsu) - Adrian Toth (Univ of Miskolc) Minutes: Hiro Kishimoto * Summary of New Actions - AI-0607c: Laurence will write up (a) small chart of what this design team will do (plan or schedule) and, (b) generic information services architecture in a simple chart. * Agenda Bashing - No Change * House keeping: - Minutes approval: OK o OGF19 EMS o March F2F EMS o Apr. 12 o OGF20 Info svc o F2F info svc - Action Item o AI-0511a: Ferenc Szalai to confirm NorduGrid/KnowARC participation and potential co-leader of IS design team. Adrian Toth volunteers to serve as co-leader: closed * Aims and Objectives - Laurence: What are we trying to achieve? - Hiro: Architecture design and interface specification. - Ellen: OGSA Arch v1.5 (GFD.80) explains current understanding of what is information services for OGSA. It can be starting line. - Laurence: What are the boundaries and constraints? Are we working group or design team? - Hiro: It is now a design team under OGSA-WG. Let's carry on technical work as a design team for a while. In parallel you can write up proposed charter document for formal WG formation. OGF21 can be target date to have charter BoF if we can have enough progress. - No objection against working as a design team. * Fundamentals - Laurence: What is a general architecture? It should be scalable. I propose to use GMA. - Chris: We should learn from R-GMA. - Agreed to learn from multiple existing works. Looking at exiting systems and bring them together. - Hiro: Is info-GIN work useful? They taught us at OGF19. - Laurence: Yes it is. I was and am involved in info-GIN work. - Laurence: What are the building blocks and critical interfaces? - Query interface - How about data model? If you have same model, it is very easy to inter-operate. - We can leverage SRM approach. We keep only basic interface defined. - What sort of queries people makes? - It is schema issue. - There are different kind of queries. - We have many many services. - We should query multiple services. - Use cases should be specified to justify key services. - Gin-INFO work already identify multiple usecases already. - Agreed to specify Query interface. - Hiro: In addition to query interface, do we need push or notification type interface? - Yes. - Agreed to study info-d, OGSA doc v1.5 , and R-GMA, existing implementations as an first step. - We may have more capabilities to define grid interface. * Next call (June 28) - AI-0607c: Laurence will write up (a) small chart of what this design team will do (plan or schedule) and, (b) generic information services architecture in a simple chart.

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Minutes for Session 1
by David Snelling 07 Jun '07

07 Jun '07

Folks, Minutes from Session 1: June 7, 2007 Attendees: - ZackK - Ellen Stokes - Doug Haigh,SAS - Donal Fellows (UoM) - Sergio Andreozzi - Steve McGough - Chris Kantarjiev - Chris Smith - David Snelling - Laurence Field - Andreas Savva - Hiro Kishimoto Agenda Bashing - No Change House keeping: - Minutes approval from May 24: OK OGF/DMTF Work Register - See WR: http://www.ogf.org/documents/liaison/OGF- DMTFWorkReg20061106.pdf - See Slides: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14581 - WR presented to the GFSG Standards Council call. - They decided to discuss them with both the OGSA WG and the whole of the GFSG. - Take a positive approach with respect to the WR. - Some tasks undertaken in Q1 2007, see slide 3 - There is a partial challenge that we face as a result of communication difficulties inside DMTF. - May also suffer from the Volunteer Army problem, like OGF. - DMTF have only weak processes for dealing with external comments - E. Stokes needed to push inside DMTF to get comments into the right place. - Schema submission to CIM are in process, but still requires proactive external involvement. - The ballot process is very slow. - CIM releases three times a year, and we would like a late summer data for all OGF contributions. - E. Stokes has been promoting the submission in the DMTF and OGF. - Recommendations: - Improve the alliance partner process improved. - Proposal to delegate control of branches of the CIM model to partners. - This would require some further developments required in DMTF, e.g. access to validators. - Questions etc. - Hiro: How have you done this in the past, e.g. JCIM? Some else covered this time period. It did become part of the model. There was more support from inside the DMTF for this work. - Donnal: The approach seems like a good approach. - Ellen: The aim is to maintain DMTF's position as the port of call for all models. - Ellen: The working groups are likely to push back, but the higher levels of the organization will be supportive. - Dave: Is this the set of slides that we are planning to use? Yes. - Donnal: A bit too much text, but are probably of for a phone based call. - Dave: Use a DMTF slide template. Use cases: SAS Use Case: - See: http://forge.ogf.org/sf/sfmain/do/downloadAttachment/projects.glue-wg/ wiki/UseCases?id=atch4434 - The use case focusing of the data model and not on the submission/ management side. - Aim to test the GLUE Schema. - Need for boolean capability resources. Needed for matchmaking. - Need a status testing ability, but this may be provided by BES requirements. - Need to find out what host a job is running on. - The GLUE schema currently does not plan to provide the dynamic details of the final worker nodes. - This might be a disconnect in requirements, but the level of detail needed seems low. - The question may just be the need to clarify what level of the Grid is being exposed. - The schema itself is adequately populated and the use of it may be sufficient to deal with these differences. - Can GLUE be used to expose this much detail? Yes, roughly. Could be addressed to exposure profiles. - In the cluster use case there are plans to expose the details of the work nodes (including dynamic information). - The interface for obtaining this information should be available from the "head" node, even though the information comes from the worker nodes. - The level of detail is a policy decision, and GLUE does not restrict/mandate it use. - Recommendation that examples where only abstract summaries are required. - GLUE does not, however, define this policy language. - Profiles, in addition to the schema itself, should be use to refine required elements. - VO Profile has only high level information - Cluster Profile has lots of details about individual nodes. - It may be possible to use the attributes in the Execution Environment. - Action Doug or Chris: Look at the use cases template and consider mapping the SAS use cases to this template. Can be added to the wiki or mailed to the group. - Action Doug: Test if attributes on the Execution Environment can address the need for boolean capabilities. - The schema is available for the wiki page. - Next Meeting in GLUE WG schedule. Please cross post to OGDS list. -- Take care: Dr. David Snelling < David . Snelling . UK . Fujitsu . com > Fujitsu Laboratories of Europe Limited Hayes Park Central Hayes End Road Hayes, Middlesex UB4 8FE Reg. No. 4153469 +44-208-606-4649 (Office) +44-7768-807526 (Mobile)

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[Updated Invitation] Information Service (Laurence Field and Adrian Toth) @ 2007-06-07 9am - 10am ()
by Hiro Kishimoto 07 Jun '07

07 Jun '07

Details for the following event have changed: Title: Information Service (Laurence Field and Adrian Toth) Time: 2007-06-07 9am - 10am (Central Time) Where: http://ogsa.glance.net/ Calendar: Description: When: 10-11am EDT, 9-10am CDT, 7-8am PDT, 11pm-midnight JST, 3-4pm UK Dial-in numbers for Thursday: Free: +1-888-452-0308 Intl/Toll: +(210) 234-7446 PIN: 71815 See more information: - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477 Screen share service: URL: http://ogsa.glance.net/ Usage: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584 Note: ** OGF IPR POLICY APPLIES ** http://www.ogf.org/About/abt_policies.php 1) Early discussion Social study notification - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1717 Note taker assignment Roll call Agenda bashing 2) Aims and Objectives What are we trying to achieve? What are the boundaries and constraints? Who is involved? 3) Fundamentals GMA A general architecture The building blocks The critical interfaces 4) How to proceed Defining the general architecture Identifying the interfaces 5) AOB Minutes approval OGF19 EMS: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc/doc14158 March F2F EMS: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc/doc14331 Apr. 12: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc/doc14400 OGF20 Info svc: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc/doc14478 F2F info svc: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc/doc14536 Action Item review AI-0511a: Ferenc Szalai to confirm NorduGrid/KnowARC participation and potential co-leader of IS design team. You can view this event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=NWpnNDI5OHE3bDhkNjcxY2… You are receiving this courtesy email at the account ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future notifications for this event, decline this event. Alternatively you can sign up for a Google Calendar account at http://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar.

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[Updated Invitation] Info/data modeling (Ellen Stokes) @ 2007-06-07 8am - 9am ()
by Hiro Kishimoto 07 Jun '07

07 Jun '07

Details for the following event have changed: Title: Info/data modeling (Ellen Stokes) Time: 2007-06-07 8am - 9am (Central Time) Where: http://ogsa.glance.net/ Calendar: Description: When: 9-10am EDT, 8-9am CDT, 6-7am PDT, 10-11pm JST, 2-3pm UK Dial-in numbers for Thursday: Free: +1-888-452-0308 Intl/Toll: +(210) 234-7446 PIN: 71815 See more information: - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477 Screen share service: URL: http://ogsa.glance.net/ Usage: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584 Note: ** OGF IPR POLICY APPLIES ** http://www.ogf.org/About/abt_policies.php 1) Early discussion Social study notification - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1717 Note taker assignment Roll call Agenda bashing 2) OGF-DMTF work register execution (Ellen Stokes, 30 min) discussion and modification/concurrence of the observations/recommendations on the BES/CIM work that will be discussed at the GFSG plenary on June 12 with the intent to take to DMTF board/exec committee on either June 18 or 25 Material: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14581 Workregister: http://www.ogf.org/documents/liaison/OGF-DMTFWorkReg20061106.pdf 3) SAS usecase (Sergio Andreozzi) Chris Smith has been working with SAS on defining some use cases that we'd like to see addressed within the HPC Profile or some extension to the HPC Profile. For the information side of these use cases, perhaps we can see how the GLUE schema can address them. a use case document that Doug Haigh from SAS shared with Chris earlier this year. From the GLUE perspective, please ignore the job control operations as these would be addressed in an extension to BES, not in GLUE. http://forge.ogf.org/sf/sfmain/do/downloadAttachment/projects.glue-wg/wiki/… Minutes approval May 24: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14567 Action Item review You can view this event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=ODh1cTFuNmxzdHYyOTNxOH… You are receiving this courtesy email at the account ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future notifications for this event, decline this event. Alternatively you can sign up for a Google Calendar account at http://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar.

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