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Teleconference minutes - 15 January 2007
by Andreas Savva 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

Attached. Gridforge: http://forge.ogf.org/sf/go/doc14094?nav=1 -- Andreas Savva Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd

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Re: [ogsa-wg] Service Modeling Language (SML) educational section
by Dave Berry 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

I agree about the name - Google "SML" and you don't see the Service Modeling Language. FWIW. Dave. -----Original Message----- From: ogsa-wg-bounces(a)ogf.org [mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Donal K. Fellows Sent: 15 January 2007 14:08 To: ogsa-wg Cc: Heather Kreger Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] Service Modeling Language (SML) educational section Hiro Kishimoto wrote: > In July 2006, Microsoft, IBM, HP, Intel and several other companies > have published "service modeling language (SML)." This is a XML based > language specification and expected to be used to model complex IT > services and systems, including their structure, constraints, > policies, and best practices. SML is based on a profile on XML Schema > and Schematron. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/dsi/serviceml.mspx > > This spec is still proprietary and authors are going to submit it to > one of SDOs maybe early this year (Q1). Unfortunately, I will not be attending the telecon (it's a really terrible time for me!) so I'm going to have to do my comments here. The first point of note is that the name is very unfortunate, since it clashes with Standard ML. At this stage (i.e. prior to submission to a standards body) it is still reasonably easy to change the name, and explaining the change would be pretty easy. Changing to SModL or something like that would work, and not require major revisions to any documents. (This is just my opinion, but I admit to hating overloading of TLAs, since it causes trouble down the line, time and time again.) The other point of note is that there are no examples that describe how a service might actually be modelled. Given the stated purpose of the language, this seems a curious omission. It's also not clear to me whether stateful services would be modellable (e.g. so that if, in the examples from the SML spec, there was an "Enrol" operation, then it would be possible to precisely characterize the fact that success will only happen if the state of the student is changed) but that might well be a misunderstanding on my part. I was also going to ask about how to validate time-dependent properties of the service, but then I recalled that WS-ResourceLifetime makes the required information available and so reasoning there requires no new elements, assuming that the general "service reasoning" point raised above is appropriately tackled. Donal Fellows (not having had time to properly analyse the SML specs.) -- ogsa-wg mailing list ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogsa-wg

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[update] OGSA Security Profile 1.0 - Secure Channel
by Takuya Mori 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

Dear All, I have updated the SP - SC document as we discussed in the Nov 27 conference call, and I think it's ready for FINAL CALL. Please have a look through the document. Any comments are welcomed. The updated version of the profile is available on GridForge. OGSA Security Profile 1.0 - Secure Channel: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/downloadDocument/projects.ogsa-wg/… Changes: - accepted all the change trackers - updated the acknowledgement section - updated the extensibility points since those of the extended profile had been updated - added a sentence on the extensibility points E009 and E011 - updated Table 6 - a number of changes, mainly gramatical errors Best regards, Takuya ---- Takuya Mori moritaku(a)bx.jp.nec.com / tk-mori(a)isd.nec.co.jp System Platform Software Development Division NEC Corporation, Tokyo Japan

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Service Modeling Language (SML) educational section
by Hiro Kishimoto 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

Hi all, In July 2006, Microsoft, IBM, HP, Intel and several other companies have published "service modeling language (SML)." This is a XML based language specification and expected to be used to model complex IT services and systems, including their structure, constraints, policies, and best practices. SML is based on a profile on XML Schema and Schematron. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/dsi/serviceml.mspx This spec is still proprietary and authors are going to submit it to one of SDOs maybe early this year (Q1). Heather Kreger, one of authors, will provide one hour educational session. This session is *not* OGSA nor OGF session. They will explain but no feedback allowed unless we sign a contributer agreement form. Date: January 15, Monday time: 5-6pm ET, 4-5pm CT, 2-3pm PT, 7-8am JST, 10-11pm UK dial-in: 877-811-9717 pc: 440496 After this session, we will switch to our regular OGSA-WG dial-in and start to discuss without authors. Thanks, -- Hiro Kishimoto

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Updated: Service Modeling Language (SML) educational session ** NOT AN OGF CALL**
by Andreas Savva 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Microsoft Corporation//Outlook 11.0 MIMEDIR//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT ATTENDEE;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=TRUE:MAILTO:ogsa-wg@ogf.org ORGANIZER:MAILTO:andreas.savva@jp.fujitsu.com DTSTART:20070115T220000Z DTEND:20070115T230000Z TRANSP:OPAQUE SEQUENCE:1 UID:040000008200E00074C5B7101A82E00800000000B030661BB038C7010000000000000000100 000009CA9C25FD4BA57409B215C23ACC3900C DTSTAMP:20070115T053306Z DESCRIPTION:When: 2007年1月16日火曜日 7:00-8:00 (GMT+09:00) 大阪、札幌、東京.\n\n*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*\n\n\n------------\nFrom: ogsa-wg-bounces(a)ogf.org on behalf of Hiro Kishimoto [hiro.kishimoto(a)jp.fujitsu.com]\nSent: 2007年1月13日土曜日 0:30\nTo: ogsa-wg\nCc: Heather Kreger\nSubject: [ogsa-wg] Service Modeling Language (SML) educational section\n\nHi all\,\n\nIn July 2006\, Microsoft\, IBM\, HP\, Intel and several other companies\nhave published "service modeling language (SML)." This is a XML based\nlanguage specification and expected to be used to model complex IT\nservices and systems\, including their structure\, constraints\, policies\,\nand best practices. SML is based on a profile on XML Schema and\nSchematron.\n\nhttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/dsi/servi ceml.mspx\n\nThis spec is still proprietary and authors are going to submit it\nto one of SDOs maybe early this year (Q1).\n\nHeather Kreger\, one of authors\, will provide one hour educational\nsession. This session is *not* OGSA nor OGF session. They will explain\nbut no feedback allowed unless we sign a contributer agreement form.\n\nDate: January 15\, Monday\ntime: 5-6pm ET\, 4-5pm CT\, 2-3pm PT\, 7-8am JST\, 10-11pm UK\ndial-in: 877-811-9717\npc: 440496\n\nAfter this session\, we will switch to our regular OGSA-WG dial-in\nand start to discuss without authors.\n\nThanks\,\n-- \nHiro Kishimoto\n\n--\n ogsa-wg mailing list\n ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org\n http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogsa-wg\n\n\n SUMMARY:Updated: Service Modeling Language (SML) educational session ** NOT AN OGF CALL** PRIORITY:5 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1 CLASS:PUBLIC BEGIN:VALARM TRIGGER:-PT15M ACTION:DISPLAY DESCRIPTION:Reminder END:VALARM END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR

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Updated: OGSA Teleconference
by Andreas Savva 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Microsoft Corporation//Outlook 11.0 MIMEDIR//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT ATTENDEE;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=TRUE:MAILTO:ogsa-wg@ogf.org ORGANIZER:MAILTO:andreas.savva@jp.fujitsu.com DTSTART:20070115T230000Z DTEND:20070116T000000Z TRANSP:OPAQUE SEQUENCE:1 UID:040000008200E00074C5B7101A82E00800000000E0088CDEAF38C7010000000000000000100 000001B61FC1332FF6748938788EA4004F085 DTSTAMP:20070115T053316Z DESCRIPTION:When: 2007年1月16日火曜日 8:00-9:00 (GMT+09:00) 大阪、札幌、東京.\n\n*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*\n\n\n------------\nFrom: ogsa-wg-bounces(a)ogf.org on behalf of Hiro Kishimoto [hiro.kishimoto(a)jp.fujitsu.com]\nSent: 2007年1月13日土曜日 9:06\nTo: ogsa-wg\nSubject: [ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Jan. 15th call\n\nHi all\,\n\nSince SML education call will be 4-5pm CST\, OGSA-WG call will\nstart 5pm (one hour later than usual).\n\nThe following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on Jan. 15th\nMonday from 5pm to 6pm (CST).\n\nThe dial-in number for Monday\;\n US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or\n +1 408 9616509 (San Jose)\n UK: +44 (0)207 3655269 (London)\n Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo)\n PIN: 4371991\n See more information:\n - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477\n\nScreen share service will be provided.\n URL: http://ogsa.glance.net\n Session key: 0115\n See more explanation:\n https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584\n\n1) Early discussion (20 min)\n Note taker assignment\n Roll call\n Telecon minutes approval (Dec. 11)\n - http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14057\n Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email)\n OGF OGSA-WG session update\n Agenda bashing\n\n2) SML discussion (30 min)\n Open discussion on SML education.\n\n3) DMTF documents review (60 min\, Ellen Stokes)\n Ellen will give evaluation on DSP0225\, DSP0230\, and DSP0227\n and discuss if they meet OGSA-WG's needs.\n\n4) Wrap up (10 min)\n AOB\n\n<*NEXT CALL*>\nhttps://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477\n\nJan. 18 (Thu) OGSA security (Alan Sill and Andrew Grimshaw)\n OGSA workflow (Andrew Grimshaw)\nJan. 22 (Mon) EGA reference model(Hiro Kishimoto and Paul Strong)\n Roadmap document (Chris Jordan)\nJan. 25 (Thu) OGF19 prep (Tom and Hiro)\n\n\n<*ACTION ITEMS*>\nhttps://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1569\n\n > From Dec. 11 call\n AI-1211a: Hiro to check with Takuya for any last minute changes and\n submit "BP - Secure Channel" for publication\n AI-1211b: Hiro will arrange for the management software demo session\n not to conflict with any OGSA session at OGF19\n\n > From Nov. 30 call\n AI-11.30a: Michel to talk with Tom and Ellen on how to go about\n documenting his current proof of concept in the Info\n model Arch doc.\n\n > From Nov. 9 pm F2F.\n AI.11.09.pm-a: Ellen and Tom to write up a "Information Model\n profile document: BES Container"\n AI.11.09.pm-c: Andrew to produce a document drafting the definition\n of QoS\n AI.11.09.pm-d: Andrew to contact the HPCP WG regarding future\n involvement to create profile(s) on\, e.g. BES\, JSDL\n etc.\n\n > From Sept. 15 OGSA F2F\n AI-0915d: Tom will post BP base faults issue to tracker\n\n > From Aug. 17 call\n AI-0817a: Dave Berry and Jay Unger will approach groups (GIN\,\n Globus\, etc) that have implemented practical grids and\n start a discussion on how they handle data:\n - how data is treated as a resource that can be scheduled\n - how transfers are modeled\n - how files are advertised\n - how applications find files (query\, by knowledge\,?)\n (Due Oct. 9)\n\n > From July 20 F2F\n- EGR-WG (Ravi) will contact Geoffrey Fox and invites him to\n contribute use cases.\n- Andreas to go through the minutes and formulate a reply mail to\n Geoffrey on each artifact covered in these minutes.\n\nPostponed:\nUntil next reference model call (Dec. 11th):\n AI-1023c: Tom volunteered to review Hiro's HPC Cluster use case\n slides and make appropriate changes to indicate where the\n CIM Profile would fit in and how it would link into the\n Reference Model.\n AI-1023d: Paul will add more items to list on slide 6 of the HPC\n Cluster use case\n AI-1023g: Hiro will look at other parts of slide 5 and identify\n further possible refinements of this use case.\n----\nHiro Kishimoto\n\n\n--\n ogsa-wg mailing list\n ogsa-wg(a)ogf.org\n http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogsa-wg\n\n\n SUMMARY:Updated: OGSA Teleconference PRIORITY:5 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1 CLASS:PUBLIC BEGIN:VALARM TRIGGER:-PT15M ACTION:DISPLAY DESCRIPTION:Reminder END:VALARM END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR

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Proposed agenda for Jan. 15th call
by Hiro Kishimoto 13 Jan '07

13 Jan '07

Hi all, Since SML education call will be 4-5pm CST, OGSA-WG call will start 5pm (one hour later than usual). The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on Jan. 15th Monday from 5pm to 6pm (CST). The dial-in number for Monday; US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 (0)207 3655269 (London) Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) PIN: 4371991 See more information: - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0115 See more explanation: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584 1) Early discussion (20 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval (Dec. 11) - http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14057 Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email) OGF OGSA-WG session update Agenda bashing 2) SML discussion (30 min) Open discussion on SML education. 3) DMTF documents review (60 min, Ellen Stokes) Ellen will give evaluation on DSP0225, DSP0230, and DSP0227 and discuss if they meet OGSA-WG's needs. 4) Wrap up (10 min) AOB <*NEXT CALL*> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477 Jan. 18 (Thu) OGSA security (Alan Sill and Andrew Grimshaw) OGSA workflow (Andrew Grimshaw) Jan. 22 (Mon) EGA reference model(Hiro Kishimoto and Paul Strong) Roadmap document (Chris Jordan) Jan. 25 (Thu) OGF19 prep (Tom and Hiro) <*ACTION ITEMS*> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1569 > From Dec. 11 call AI-1211a: Hiro to check with Takuya for any last minute changes and submit "BP - Secure Channel" for publication AI-1211b: Hiro will arrange for the management software demo session not to conflict with any OGSA session at OGF19 > From Nov. 30 call AI-11.30a: Michel to talk with Tom and Ellen on how to go about documenting his current proof of concept in the Info model Arch doc. > From Nov. 9 pm F2F. AI.11.09.pm-a: Ellen and Tom to write up a "Information Model profile document: BES Container" AI.11.09.pm-c: Andrew to produce a document drafting the definition of QoS AI.11.09.pm-d: Andrew to contact the HPCP WG regarding future involvement to create profile(s) on, e.g. BES, JSDL etc. > From Sept. 15 OGSA F2F AI-0915d: Tom will post BP base faults issue to tracker > From Aug. 17 call AI-0817a: Dave Berry and Jay Unger will approach groups (GIN, Globus, etc) that have implemented practical grids and start a discussion on how they handle data: - how data is treated as a resource that can be scheduled - how transfers are modeled - how files are advertised - how applications find files (query, by knowledge,?) (Due Oct. 9) > From July 20 F2F - EGR-WG (Ravi) will contact Geoffrey Fox and invites him to contribute use cases. - Andreas to go through the minutes and formulate a reply mail to Geoffrey on each artifact covered in these minutes. Postponed: Until next reference model call (Dec. 11th): AI-1023c: Tom volunteered to review Hiro's HPC Cluster use case slides and make appropriate changes to indicate where the CIM Profile would fit in and how it would link into the Reference Model. AI-1023d: Paul will add more items to list on slide 6 of the HPC Cluster use case AI-1023g: Hiro will look at other parts of slide 5 and identify further possible refinements of this use case. ---- Hiro Kishimoto

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No call on Jan. 11
by Hiro Kishimoto 12 Jan '07

12 Jan '07

Hi all, Since topic owners are not available on this Thursday, we won't have a call tomorrow. We will have one hour SML educational call and one hour OGSA call on next Monday. Thanks, -- Hiro Kishimoto

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