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Re: [ogsa-wg] OGSA Exec summary ...
by Hiro Kishimoto 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

Raj's email bounced. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] OGSA Exec summary ... Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:30:30 +1000 From: Rajkumar Buyya <raj(a)csse.unimelb.edu.au> Organization: The University of Melbourne, Australia To: Hiro Kishimoto <hiro.kishimoto(a)jp.fujitsu.com> CC: Subramaniam, Ravi <ravi.subramaniam(a)intel.com>, ogsa-wg <ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org> Hi Hiro: Regarding statements in your document: --------- • Resource Management enables the monitoring, reservation, deployment, and configuration of grid resources according to quality of service requirements. Grids allow organizations to pool their departmental IT resources and make them available for efficient and dynamic use across the organization. --------- "Resource allocation" need to be part of esource Management services. How about changing the above statements to following: --------- •Resource Management enables the monitoring, allocation, reservation, deployment, and configuration of grid resources according to quality of service requirements. Grids allow organizations to pool their departmental IT resources and make them available for efficient and dynamic use to meet demands from competing applications across the organization. --------- Thanks raj Hiro Kishimoto wrote: > Hi Ravi, > > The attached document is "OGSA introduction" we've used for SC04. > I cannot find the final version but this is very close to the final. > > Since it is outdated, you need to update based on our recent > major development. But I think it is good starting point. > > I would very much appreciate if you could bring yours back to > OGSA-WG in the near future. > > Hope it helps, > ---- > Hiro Kishimoto > > Subramaniam, Ravi wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Do we (or any kind soul willing to share) have an exec/mgmt summary of >> the OGSA and OGSA architecture (yeah, seems redundant but am using OGSA >> in the trademarked brand sense) - 2/3 pages? I am thinking of putting >> one together for some conversations I need to have but in the essence of >> "laziness" (efficiency/reuse in euphemistic terms) wanted to see if >> there existed an exemplar that I could use. I am looking for an editable >> version that I could tailor to my specific purpose (with the fond hope >> that it is so well written that I could use it "right out of the box"). >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Ravi >> -- Hiro Kishimoto

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Initial document drafts for HPC Profile
by Christopher Smith 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

Hi all, I've uploaded the following documents to gridforge: - HPC Profile Application Extension - JSDL extension for describing executables, etc. (https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13735?nav=1) - HPC Basic Profile - the skeleton of the profile document with the section for JSDL profiling filled in (for debate :-) ). https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13736?nav=1 Please send any comments to the list to get the discussion going, and we'll use the trackers to record any issues that need to be addressed. By the way ... in future I will only use the ogsa-hpcp-wg(a)ggf.org mailing list for discussion of these documents, so please subscribe if you haven't already. Please follow up to ogsa-hpcp-wg. -- Chris

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OGSA F2F Roadmap minutes (finally) uploaded
by Christopher Jordan 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I finally got around to putting together my minimal notes on the roadmap session at last months F2F session, and have uploaded them to GridForge: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13734?nav=1 They are not long, so we should be able to approve them today. Chris Jordan Data Reliability Manager San Diego Supercomputer Center ctjordan(a)sdsc.edu 858.534.8347 "Mother, I feel so far away from everything." - The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE4KzOPCVtcXn6kg8RAp7PAJ9lfbRMgl/fjYWj4bthTWj/aBn9ngCglq4S 5h3Uh6FIEtGdFx/+U7UMnV0= =epHj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Agenda for Monday, August 14th (5pm to 7pm (CDT))
by Andreas Savva 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

The following is the proposed agenda for the OGSA-WG teleconference on Aug. 14th Monday from 5pm to 7pm (CDT). The dial-in number for Monday; US: +1 718 3541071 (New York) or +1 408 9616509 (San Jose) UK: +44 (0)207 3655269 (London) Japan: +81 (0)3 3570 8225 (Tokyo) Complete dial-in information: http://tinyurl.com/eg48j PIN: 4371991 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0814 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (10 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval (Aug. 10th), if available Action Items status review (see bottom of this email) Agenda bashing 2) OGSA Roadmap (Chris, 40 min) > A slightly edited version of the OGSA Roadmap v1.1 has been uploaded > to GridForge, at: > > https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13733?nav=1 > > At this point, all I've done is added a comment or two and done some > rewriting of the introductory section. Please feel free to download > and read it if you'd like to discuss or savage my changes on > tomorrows call. 5) Wrap up (10 min) AOB <*NEXT CALL*> Aug. 17 (Thu): Info/data model (Ellen and Fred), EMS and data joint scenarios (Allen and Steven) Aug. 21 (Mon): Aug. 24 (Thu): CDDLM joint (Jun, Dejan, and Hiro) Aug. 28 (Mon): Security (Takuya and Frank) Aug. 31 (Thu): EMS scenarios (Andreas and Steven) Sept. 4 (Mon): No call (Labor Day) Sept. 7 (Thu): Roadmap (Chris), GGF18 prep (Tom and Hiro) Telecon schedule: https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/telecon_schedule/ <*ACTION ITEMS*> [Not sure if there were updates on the Aug.10th call.] > > From Aug. 3 call AI-0803a: Hiro to look into an option for a second EMS/Data call on Sep 7. Tentative; needs confirmation with likely participants. AI-0803c: Ellen to book the IBM facility on Thursday afternoon AI-0803d: Hiro to divide GGF18 B2B F2F survey into three periods: Thursday afternoon, Friday morning and afternoon. AI-0803e: Jun will provide an example of the CDL mechanism and why using ID/IDREF is not a good idea. AI-0803f: Jun will update the CDL document to remove the Environment variables > > From July 20 F2F - Andreas and Hiro to revise the EMS scenario document (i.e. examples) so that proposal 2 is fulfilled + Andreas will merge Hiro's updates into the next draft - EGR-WG (Ravi) will contact Geoffrey Fox and invites him to contribute use cases. - Andreas to go through the minutes and formulate a reply mail to Geoffrey on each artifact covered in these minutes. <postponed> - Steve McGough & Andreas to do a mapping from the current JSDL elements / terminology into the new information model structure (Proposed split into Description and Requirements) (from July 18th F2F, postpone until Aug. 17) -- Andreas Savva Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd

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Edited version of Roadmap 1.1. draft uploaded
by Christopher Jordan 13 Aug '06

13 Aug '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A slightly edited version of the OGSA Roadmap v1.1 has been uploaded to GridForge, at: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13733?nav=1 At this point, all I've done is added a comment or two and done some rewriting of the introductory section. Please feel free to download and read it if you'd like to discuss or savage my changes on tomorrows call. Thanks. Chris Jordan Data Reliability Manager San Diego Supercomputer Center ctjordan(a)sdsc.edu 858.534.8347 "Mother, I feel so far away from everything." - The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE31GtPCVtcXn6kg8RAnHUAKCgrMqqazZJ9R7BvHL/jF/n5T89XgCfeyvS 3MSX63OiWKZzA0Lh/B1/r3U= =ISJl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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OGSA Exec summary ...
by Subramaniam, Ravi 11 Aug '06

11 Aug '06

Hi, Do we (or any kind soul willing to share) have an exec/mgmt summary of the OGSA and OGSA architecture (yeah, seems redundant but am using OGSA in the trademarked brand sense) - 2/3 pages? I am thinking of putting one together for some conversations I need to have but in the essence of "laziness" (efficiency/reuse in euphemistic terms) wanted to see if there existed an exemplar that I could use. I am looking for an editable version that I could tailor to my specific purpose (with the fond hope that it is so well written that I could use it "right out of the box"). Thanks! Ravi

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Proposed agenda for Aug. 10th call
by Hiro Kishimoto 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

Hi all, The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on Aug. 10th Thursday from 8:30am - 10:30am (CDT). Dial-in numbers for Thursday: Free: +1-888-452-0308 Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505 PIN: 71815 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0810 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (20 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval (Aug. 3rd) - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13718?nav=1 Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email) Agenda bashing 2) OGSA authorization call-out proposal review (Frank, 20 min) > - Frank is now consulting with people in GGF (David Chadwick, Von > Welch) on whether his approach can be defined within the AuthZ > group. If there is no agreement then he will accept the XACML > group's decision. 3) Basic Security Profile PC review (Takuya, 30 min) Takuya brings text proposal for the following PCs. >> Reviewed public comments and Takuya's proposed replies >> 1. Add text explaining that the Secure Channel profile is not >> required by all ogsa services. The introduction is probably a >> good place for this. >> 2. [Basic-Security-Profile] usage. The term is defined in the >> document. Takuya to check whether such special terms are used >> consistently and that they stand out. Refer to the WSRF BP for a >> similar example. >> 3. Ciphersuites: Agreed that it important to list acceptable >> ciphers. >> - As a first step Takuya will list up available ones (from the >> WS-I BSP); select the ones that are in common use; and then >> select the ones that are considered sufficiently safe. >> - Review the list at the next BSP teleconf >> 4. Multiple keys in keyinfo field? >> - Takuya to talk to Von in order to understand the use case for >> multiple keys; and will propose a resolution at the next BSP >> teleconf. 4) EMS scenarios (Andreas and Steven, 30 minutes) Andreas will send out revised version before the call. 5) Wrap up (10 min) AOB <*NEXT CALL*> Aug. 14 (Mon): Roadmap (Chris) Aug. 17 (Thu): Info/data model (Ellen and Fred), EMS and data joint scenarios (Allen and Steven) Aug. 21 (Mon): Aug. 24 (Thu): CDDLM joint (Jun, Dejan, and Hiro) Aug. 28 (Mon): Security (Takuya and Frank) Aug. 31 (Thu): EMS scenarios (Andreas and Steven) Sept. 4 (Mon): No call (Labor Day) Sept. 7 (Thu): Roadmap (Chris), GGF18 prep (Tom and Hiro) Telecon schedule: https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/telecon_schedule/ <*ACTION ITEMS*> > From Aug. 3 call AI-0803a: Hiro to look into an option for a second EMS/Data call on Sep 7. Tentative; needs confirmation with likely participants. AI-0803c: Ellen to book the IBM facility on Thursday afternoon AI-0803d: Hiro to divide GGF18 B2B F2F survey into three periods: Thursday afternoon, Friday morning and afternoon. AI-0803e: Jun will provide an example of the CDL mechanism and why using ID/IDREF is not a good idea. AI-0803f: Jun will update the CDL document to remove the Environment variables > From July 20 F2F - Andreas and Hiro to revise the EMS scenario document (i.e. examples) so that proposal 2 is fulfilled + Andreas will merge Hiro's updates into the next draft - EGR-WG (Ravi) will contact Geoffrey Fox and invites him to contribute use cases. - Andreas to go through the minutes and formulate a reply mail to Geoffrey on each artifact covered in these minutes. <postponed> - Steve McGough & Andreas to do a mapping from the current JSDL elements / terminology into the new information model structure (Proposed split into Description and Requirements) (from July 18th F2F, postpone until Aug. 17) -- Hiro Kishimoto

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Customer briefing tomorrow (8/10) AM
by Maguire_Tom＠emc.com 10 Aug '06

10 Aug '06

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Updated: OGSA Teleconference
by Andreas Savva 09 Aug '06

09 Aug '06

BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Microsoft Corporation//Outlook 11.0 MIMEDIR//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT ATTENDEE;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;RSVP=TRUE:MAILTO:ogsa-wg@gridforum.org ORGANIZER:MAILTO:andreas.savva@jp.fujitsu.com DTSTART:20060810T133000Z DTEND:20060810T153000Z TRANSP:OPAQUE SEQUENCE:3 UID:040000008200E00074C5B7101A82E0080000000010B6D95163B5C6010000000000000000100 00000525E76CA4D52FB4C89D8B8E1FAB31B6C DTSTAMP:20060809T015409Z DESCRIPTION:When: 2006年8月10日木曜日 22:30 to 2006年8月11日金曜日 0:30 (GMT+09:00) 大阪、札幌、東京.\n\n*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*\n\n<pre>\n\nDial-in numbers for Thursday:\n Free: +1-888-452-0308\n Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505\n PIN: 71815\n\nScreen share service will be provided.\n URL: http://ogsa.glance.net\n Session key: 0810\nSee more explanation:\nhttp://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/m sg00077.html\n\n1) Early discussion (20 min)\n Note taker assignment\n Roll call\n Telecon minutes approval (Aug. 3rd)\n - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13718?nav=1\n Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email)\n Agenda bashing\n\n2) OGSA authorization call-out proposal review (Frank\, 20 min)\n> - Frank is now consulting with people in GGF (David Chadwick\, Von\n> Welch) on whether his approach can be defined within the AuthZ\n> group. If there is no agreement then he will accept the XACML\n> group's decision.\n\n3) Basic Security Profile PC review (Takuya\, 30 min)\n Takuya brings text proposal for the following PCs.\n\n>> Reviewed public comments and Takuya's proposed replies\n>> 1. Add text explaining that the Secure Channel profile is not\n>> required by all ogsa services. The introduction is probably a\n>> good place for this.\n>> 2. [Basic-Security-Profile] usage. The term is defined in the\n>> document. Takuya to check whether such special terms are used\n>> consistently and that they stand out. Refer to the WSRF BP for a\n>> similar example.\n>> 3. Ciphersuites: Agreed that it important to list acceptable\n>> ciphers.\n>> - As a first step Takuya will list up available ones (from the\n>> WS-I BSP)\; select the ones that are in common use\; and then\n>> select the ones that are considered sufficiently safe.\n>> - Review the list at the next BSP teleconf\n>> 4. Multiple keys in keyinfo field?\n>> - Takuya to talk to Von in order to understand the use case for\n>> multiple keys\; and will propose a resolution at the next BSP\n>> teleconf.\n\n4) EMS scenarios (Andreas and Steven\, 30 minutes)\n Andreas will send out revised version before the call.\n\n5) Wrap up (10 min)\n AOB\n\n<*NEXT CALL*>\nAug. 14 (Mon): Roadmap (Chris)\nAug. 17 (Thu): Info/data model (Ellen and Fred)\,\n EMS and data joint scenarios (Allen and Steven)\nAug. 21 (Mon):\nAug. 24 (Thu): CDDLM joint (Jun\, Dejan\, and Hiro)\nAug. 28 (Mon): Security (Takuya and Frank)\nAug. 31 (Thu): EMS scenarios (Andreas and Steven)\nSept. 4 (Mon): No call (Labor Day)\nSept. 7 (Thu): Roadmap (Chris)\, GGF18 prep (Tom and Hiro)\n\nTelecon schedule:\nhttps://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/telecon_s chedule/\n\n<*ACTION ITEMS*>\n\n> From Aug. 3 call\n AI-0803a: Hiro to look into an option for a second EMS/Data call\n on Sep 7. Tentative\; needs confirmation with likely\n participants.\n AI-0803c: Ellen to book the IBM facility on Thursday afternoon\n AI-0803d: Hiro to divide GGF18 B2B F2F survey into three periods:\n Thursday afternoon\, Friday morning and afternoon.\n AI-0803e: Jun will provide an example of the CDL mechanism and why\n using ID/IDREF is not a good idea.\n AI-0803f: Jun will update the CDL document to remove the Environment\n variables\n\n> From July 20 F2F\n- Andreas and Hiro to revise the EMS scenario document (i.e. examples)\n so that proposal 2 is fulfilled\n + Andreas will merge Hiro's updates into the next draft\n- EGR-WG (Ravi) will contact Geoffrey Fox and invites him to\n contribute use cases.\n- Andreas to go through the minutes and formulate a reply mail to\n Geoffrey on each artifact covered in these minutes.\n\n<postponed>\n- Steve McGough & Andreas to do a mapping from the current JSDL\n elements / terminology into the new information model structure\n (Proposed split into Description and Requirements)\n (from July 18th F2F\, postpone until Aug. 17)\n\n</pre>\n SUMMARY:Updated: OGSA Teleconference PRIORITY:5 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1 CLASS:PUBLIC BEGIN:VALARM TRIGGER:-PT15M ACTION:DISPLAY DESCRIPTION:Reminder END:VALARM END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR

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Re: [OGSA-AUTHZ] [ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Aug. 10th call
by Hiro Kishimoto 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Alan's email bounced. -------- Original Message -------- Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:42:19 -0500 From: Alan Sill <alansill(a)fnal.gov> Subject: Re: [OGSA-AUTHZ] [ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Aug. 10th call Apologies for this call... I am interested in the topics being discussed in items 2) and 3), but have another call conference scheduled at the same time. Hope to see all of you at GGF 18. Alan On Aug 8, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Hiro Kishimoto wrote: > Hi all, > > The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on Aug. 10th > Thursday from 8:30am - 10:30am (CDT). > > Dial-in numbers for Thursday: > Free: +1-888-452-0308 > Intl/Toll: +1-484-644-0505 > PIN: 71815 > > Screen share service will be provided. > URL: http://ogsa.glance.net > Session key: 0810 > See more explanation: > http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/ > msg00077.html > > 1) Early discussion (20 min) > Note taker assignment > Roll call > Telecon minutes approval (Aug. 3rd) > - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13718?nav=1 > Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email) > Agenda bashing > > 2) OGSA authorization call-out proposal review (Frank, 20 min) >> - Frank is now consulting with people in GGF (David Chadwick, Von >> Welch) on whether his approach can be defined within the AuthZ >> group. If there is no agreement then he will accept the XACML >> group's decision. > > 3) Basic Security Profile PC review (Takuya, 30 min) > Takuya brings text proposal for the following PCs. > >>> Reviewed public comments and Takuya's proposed replies >>> 1. Add text explaining that the Secure Channel profile is not >>> required by all ogsa services. The introduction is probably a >>> good place for this. >>> 2. [Basic-Security-Profile] usage. The term is defined in the >>> document. Takuya to check whether such special terms are used >>> consistently and that they stand out. Refer to the WSRF BP >>> for a >>> similar example. >>> 3. Ciphersuites: Agreed that it important to list acceptable >>> ciphers. >>> - As a first step Takuya will list up available ones (from the >>> WS-I BSP); select the ones that are in common use; and then >>> select the ones that are considered sufficiently safe. >>> - Review the list at the next BSP teleconf >>> 4. Multiple keys in keyinfo field? >>> - Takuya to talk to Von in order to understand the use case for >>> multiple keys; and will propose a resolution at the next BSP >>> teleconf. > > 4) EMS scenarios (Andreas and Steven, 30 minutes) > Andreas will send out revised version before the call. > > 5) Wrap up (10 min) > AOB > > <*NEXT CALL*> > Aug. 14 (Mon): Roadmap (Chris) > Aug. 17 (Thu): Info/data model (Ellen and Fred), > EMS and data joint scenarios (Allen and Steven) > Aug. 21 (Mon): > Aug. 24 (Thu): CDDLM joint (Jun, Dejan, and Hiro) > Aug. 28 (Mon): Security (Takuya and Frank) > Aug. 31 (Thu): EMS scenarios (Andreas and Steven) > Sept. 4 (Mon): No call (Labor Day) > Sept. 7 (Thu): Roadmap (Chris), GGF18 prep (Tom and Hiro) > > Telecon schedule: > https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/ > telecon_schedule/ > > <*ACTION ITEMS*> > >> From Aug. 3 call > AI-0803a: Hiro to look into an option for a second EMS/Data call > on Sep 7. Tentative; needs confirmation with likely > participants. > AI-0803c: Ellen to book the IBM facility on Thursday afternoon > AI-0803d: Hiro to divide GGF18 B2B F2F survey into three periods: > Thursday afternoon, Friday morning and afternoon. > AI-0803e: Jun will provide an example of the CDL mechanism and why > using ID/IDREF is not a good idea. > AI-0803f: Jun will update the CDL document to remove the Environment > variables > >> From July 20 F2F > - Andreas and Hiro to revise the EMS scenario document (i.e. examples) > so that proposal 2 is fulfilled > + Andreas will merge Hiro's updates into the next draft > - EGR-WG (Ravi) will contact Geoffrey Fox and invites him to > contribute use cases. > - Andreas to go through the minutes and formulate a reply mail to > Geoffrey on each artifact covered in these minutes. > > <postponed> > - Steve McGough & Andreas to do a mapping from the current JSDL > elements / terminology into the new information model structure > (Proposed split into Description and Requirements) > (from July 18th F2F, postpone until Aug. 17) > -- > Hiro Kishimoto > Alan Sill TIGRE Senior Scientist High Performance Computing Center TTU ==================================================================== : Alan Sill, Texas Tech University Office: Admin 233, MS 4-1167 : : e-mail: Alan.Sill(a)ttu.edu ph. 806-742-4350 fax 806-742-4358 : ====================================================================

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