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RE: [ogsa-wg] BES query
by Dave Berry 30 Aug '05

30 Aug '05

Ian, I wonder whether you or one of your team could write a note about the background to your proposals? It would help me to understand how they fit into the wider architecture. At present I don't feel able to make an informed contribution to the discussion. The current shape of OGSA (if I can call it "current" without biasing the discussion) has three concepts relevant to this discussion: 1. Three levels of naming (human-oriented, abstract, and address). 2. An implementation of abstract names as an EPR containing a string and a resolver. 3. A service interface for BES that takes abstract names as parameters. Each has associated questions raised by your concerns: 1. Do you want to have fewer levels of naming across the architecture or are you happy with the three listed here? 2a. Are you happy that abstract names should be represented in this way? 2b. What would a "resolver without an abstract name" resolve? When do you need it in addition to or instead of an abstract name? Does it fulfill a different function or is there some overlap? 3. What should the BES interface accept instead of or as well as abstract names? When do you need this functionality? How should the interface cope with the different types of entity? I can make a guess at part of these answers but I'd rather read an explanation from the horse's mouth. Best wishes, Dave. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Ian Foster Sent: 30 August 2005 04:02 To: Tom Maguire Cc: Andrew Grimshaw; ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] BES query I'm interested in that question too. As I've said on quite a few occasions, I like the EPR + ResolverEPR (as in the original WS-RenewableReferences) -- that is a nice simple mechanism. I don't understand why we can't have this in a separate specification. Ian. At 09:23 PM 8/29/2005 -0400, Tom Maguire wrote: >So just to get some nomenclature correct. By WS-Names we mean an EPR >that >is profiled to >contain both a ResolverEPR and an AbstractName. So what do we call an EPR >which just >contains a ResolverEPR? > >Tom > >Ian Foster wrote: > >>I believe that the opinion was expressed by some at the San Diego >>meeting >>(e.g., by Steve Tuecke) that WS-Names should NOT be mandated. >> >>It certainly defines a nice way of using EPRs that will be useful in >>some >>situations. But it surely can't be the case that we always want to >>mandate this particular set of extensions to EPRs. That requirement >>certainly doesn't jibe with how we use them in all cases, for example. >> >>Ian. >> >> >>At 09:25 AM 8/29/2005 -0400, Andrew Grimshaw wrote: >> >>>All, >>> >>>In the BES working group call last week the issue of naming came up. >>>The >>>current DRAFT specification calls for passing WS-Names in and out of the >>>various function calls. There was the question as to whether EPRs is all >>>that should be specified. We thought this is an OGSA issue: mainly is >>>OGSA endorsing the use of WS-Names where appropriate. Clearly I think we >>>should. But this should be discussed. >>> >>>Andrew >> >>_______________________________________________________________ >>Ian Foster www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster >><http://www.mcs.anl.gov/%7Efoster> >>Math & Computer Science Div. Dept of Computer Science >>Argonne National Laboratory The University of Chicago >>Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A. Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A. >>Tel: 630 252 4619 Fax: 630 252 1997 >> Globus Alliance, www.globus.org <http://www.globus.org/> _______________________________________________________________ Ian Foster www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster Math & Computer Science Div. Dept of Computer Science Argonne National Laboratory The University of Chicago Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A. Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A. Tel: 630 252 4619 Fax: 630 252 1997 Globus Alliance, www.globus.org

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Re: [ogsa-wg] BES query
by Ian Foster 30 Aug '05

30 Aug '05

I'm interested in that question too. As I've said on quite a few occasions, I like the EPR + ResolverEPR (as in the original WS-RenewableReferences) -- that is a nice simple mechanism. I don't understand why we can't have this in a separate specification. Ian. At 09:23 PM 8/29/2005 -0400, Tom Maguire wrote: >So just to get some nomenclature correct. By WS-Names we mean an EPR that >is profiled to >contain both a ResolverEPR and an AbstractName. So what do we call an EPR >which just >contains a ResolverEPR? > >Tom > >Ian Foster wrote: > >>I believe that the opinion was expressed by some at the San Diego meeting >>(e.g., by Steve Tuecke) that WS-Names should NOT be mandated. >> >>It certainly defines a nice way of using EPRs that will be useful in some >>situations. But it surely can't be the case that we always want to >>mandate this particular set of extensions to EPRs. That requirement >>certainly doesn't jibe with how we use them in all cases, for example. >> >>Ian. >> >> >>At 09:25 AM 8/29/2005 -0400, Andrew Grimshaw wrote: >> >>>All, >>> >>>In the BES working group call last week the issue of naming came up. The >>>current DRAFT specification calls for passing WS-Names in and out of the >>>various function calls. There was the question as to whether EPRs is all >>>that should be specified. We thought this is an OGSA issue: mainly is >>>OGSA endorsing the use of WS-Names where appropriate. Clearly I think we >>>should. But this should be discussed. >>> >>>Andrew >> >>_______________________________________________________________ >>Ian Foster www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster >><http://www.mcs.anl.gov/%7Efoster> >>Math & Computer Science Div. Dept of Computer Science >>Argonne National Laboratory The University of Chicago >>Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A. Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A. >>Tel: 630 252 4619 Fax: 630 252 1997 >> Globus Alliance, www.globus.org <http://www.globus.org/> _______________________________________________________________ Ian Foster www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster Math & Computer Science Div. Dept of Computer Science Argonne National Laboratory The University of Chicago Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A. Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A. Tel: 630 252 4619 Fax: 630 252 1997 Globus Alliance, www.globus.org

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OGSA Roadmap status
by Treadwell, Jem 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

Hi, I won't be able to make today's meeting, but here's the status of the Roadmap. - I've responded to all public comments. - Andreas created a new tracker for the next version. I've opened two trackers based on public comments, and moved one that we deferred in 1.0. - I've made all the editing changes except for the items below. - Waiting for new/updated sections from Tom & Takuya. - I haven't yet updated the tables from the spreadsheet - I'll do that once the final sections are in place, to make all the dates consistent. - I've uploaded the latest version of the standards spreadsheet to Gridforge, though it will need updating to add the B/P breakout documents On Wednesday's call we need to discuss use of OGSA as a trademark, which might result in more editing to make our use consistent. - Jem ________________________________ Jem Treadwell Hewlett-Packard Company 6000 Irwin Road Mount Laurel, NJ 08054 Phone: 856-638-6021 Fax: 856-638-6190 E-mail: Jem.Treadwell(a)hp.com <mailto:Jem.Treadwell@hp.com>

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No RM teleconference next Tuesday (August 30)
by Fred Maciel 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

Hi, I'm hoping to have a teleconference on September 6th just to re-sync the design team. Meanwhile, work is progressing. Ellen is in vacations, but she sent me a first cut of the resource management section for the OGSA 1.5 spec, which I'll review as soon as I can ("as soon as I can" does not necessarily mean "soon" -- more details in the teleconference). Regards, Fred Maciel Hitachi America Ltd.

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RE: [ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Aug. 29th call
by Srinivasan, Latha 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

Hiro, I would like to participate in the OGSA- WSRF BP review tonight, however, due to another commitment, I can join the call only around 7 pm or so. -Latha -----Original Message----- From: owner-ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Hiro Kishimoto Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:15 AM To: ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org Subject: [ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Aug. 29th call Hi all, The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on Aug. 29th Monday from 5pm to 7pm (CDT). The dial-in number for Monday; Free: +1-866-639-4741 Toll: +1-574-935-6703 PIN: 8980700 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0829 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (10 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20050810/e n/1 Agenda bashing 2) F2F meeting evaluation (30 min) Meeting minutes approval https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 15-ad/en/1 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 16-am/en/2 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 16-pm/en/1 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 17-am/en/1 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 17-pm/en/1 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 18-am/en/1 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 18-pm/en/1 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 19/en/1 3) OGSA WSRF Basic Profile review (60 min) > During the OGSA-WG F2F this week the group decided to break out > the security aspects into a separate document. The rough > timeline and set of documents will be approximately: > 1) Updated OGSA WSRF Basic Profile 1.0 resubmission (early > September) > 2) New OGSA Security - Secure Channel Profile 1.0 (September) > 3) New OGSA Security - Anonymous Channel Profile 1.0 > (September) Review Tom's update draft https://forge.gridforum.org/docman2/ViewCategory.php?group_id=42&categor y_id=280&filtertype=basic 4) telecon schedule (30 min) Review telecon schedule up until GGF15 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/telecon_schedule/e n/29 5) Wrap up AOB Aug 31st (Wednesday) Resource Information Modeling Sept 5th (Monday) No call due to labor day Sept 7th (Wednesday) EMS + Provisioning + WS-Agreement ---- Hiro Kishimoto -- Hiro Kishimoto

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RE: [ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Aug. 29th call
by Ziu, Peter 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

Hiro, I have reviewed the following OGSA-Auth doc: "Authorizaiton_Framework_Document_-_Editor_Submission_2004-03-05.pdf". It is a very good doc that lays a foundation of semantics for most aspects of security, and outlines serveral interaction models between security entities. It chooses, however, not to enter into any authentication topics. Please let me know what wishes you have for further actions from this point w/ respect to security. Pete. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Hiro Kishimoto Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:15 AM To: ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org Subject: [ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Aug. 29th call Hi all, The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on Aug. 29th Monday from 5pm to 7pm (CDT). The dial-in number for Monday; Free: +1-866-639-4741 Toll: +1-574-935-6703 PIN: 8980700 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0829 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (10 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20050810/e n/1 Agenda bashing 2) F2F meeting evaluation (30 min) Meeting minutes approval https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 15-ad/en/1 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 16-am/en/2 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 16-pm/en/1 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 17-am/en/1 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 17-pm/en/1 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 18-am/en/1 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 18-pm/en/1 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-200508 19/en/1 3) OGSA WSRF Basic Profile review (60 min) > During the OGSA-WG F2F this week the group decided to break out > the security aspects into a separate document. The rough > timeline and set of documents will be approximately: > 1) Updated OGSA WSRF Basic Profile 1.0 resubmission (early > September) > 2) New OGSA Security - Secure Channel Profile 1.0 (September) > 3) New OGSA Security - Anonymous Channel Profile 1.0 > (September) Review Tom's update draft https://forge.gridforum.org/docman2/ViewCategory.php?group_id=42&categor y_id=280&filtertype=basic 4) telecon schedule (30 min) Review telecon schedule up until GGF15 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/telecon_schedule/e n/29 5) Wrap up AOB Aug 31st (Wednesday) Resource Information Modeling Sept 5th (Monday) No call due to labor day Sept 7th (Wednesday) EMS + Provisioning + WS-Agreement ---- Hiro Kishimoto -- Hiro Kishimoto

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Proposed agenda for Aug. 29th call
by Hiro Kishimoto 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

Hi all, The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on Aug. 29th Monday from 5pm to 7pm (CDT). The dial-in number for Monday; Free: +1-866-639-4741 Toll: +1-574-935-6703 PIN: 8980700 Screen share service will be provided. URL: http://ogsa.glance.net Session key: 0829 See more explanation: http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html 1) Early discussion (10 min) Note taker assignment Roll call Telecon minutes approval https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-20050810/en/1 Agenda bashing 2) F2F meeting evaluation (30 min) Meeting minutes approval https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-20050815-… https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-20050816-… https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-20050816-… https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-20050817-… https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-20050817-… https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-20050818-… https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-20050818-… https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/f2f-minutes-20050819/… 3) OGSA WSRF Basic Profile review (60 min) > During the OGSA-WG F2F this week the group decided to break out > the security aspects into a separate document. The rough > timeline and set of documents will be approximately: > 1) Updated OGSA WSRF Basic Profile 1.0 resubmission (early > September) > 2) New OGSA Security - Secure Channel Profile 1.0 (September) > 3) New OGSA Security - Anonymous Channel Profile 1.0 > (September) Review Tom's update draft https://forge.gridforum.org/docman2/ViewCategory.php?group_id=42&category_i… 4) telecon schedule (30 min) Review telecon schedule up until GGF15 https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/telecon_schedule/en/29 5) Wrap up AOB Aug 31st (Wednesday) Resource Information Modeling Sept 5th (Monday) No call due to labor day Sept 7th (Wednesday) EMS + Provisioning + WS-Agreement ---- Hiro Kishimoto -- Hiro Kishimoto

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CFP -- SOBPI'05 -- Workshop on Service-Oriented Business Process Integration
by gagnon＠soa7.com 26 Aug '05

26 Aug '05

Apologies for cross-posting *********************************************************************** CALL FOR PAPERS International Workshop on SERVICE-ORIENTED BUSINESS PROCESSES INTEGRATION (SOBPI'05) http://elab.njit.edu/sobpi Held in conjunction with the 3rd International Conference on Service-Oriented Computing (ICSOC 2005) Amsterdam, the Netherlands December 12, 2005 *********************************************************************** --- IMPORTANT DATES --- Papers submission September 30, 2005 Notification October 21, 2005 Camera ready November 11, 2005 Workshop December 12, 2005 --- MOTIVATIONS --- A widely recognized trend in business and markets is the push towards the idea of companies and enterprises as networked organizations, which can gain profit from collaborations in the net, improving their flexibility, and reducing operational costs. This transformation requires the adoption of more collaborative working practices based on the integration of business processes within a wide community of business partners, suppliers, vendors, and public bodies. In parallel to this trend, service oriented technologies are transforming the web from an infrastructure for sharing information to a place where the networked organizations can meet to integrate their business interests. Service Oriented Computing (SOC) is currently the most promising technology supporting the development and execution of business processes that are distributed among the most disparate entities, both within an organization and across organizational borders. However, a practical industry-wide adoption of web services, to support the collaboration among networked organizations and the integration of their business process, is still an open challenge. This challenge can be addressed only by a tight integration of service-oriented development within new business models and new ways of management that are able to exploit new technological solutions. Moreover, web service technology is still emerging, and therefore their industry-wide adoption requires to inject research results within real industry practices, but, even more important, to drive research activities and roadmaps according to industrial needs. The aim of this workshop is to bring together researchers, practitioners, and experts in business models and management and to promote cross-fertilization among their competencies, focusing on the usage of service oriented technologies to support the Business Processes Integration (BPI). The goal is to build bridges and convergences among the complementary views of experts in IT and service oriented technologies and experts in management, and the different approaches of academy and industry, to the problem of business processes integration. The emphasis of the workshop will be on the demonstration of the practical application of research results, and on the description of industrial case studies. --- FOCUS --- The workshop will seek contributions in the field of SOC for BPI. Papers can take the form of detailed case studies, technical white papers, new methodologies, new standard specifications, benchmarking models, or any other contributions demonstrating innovative applications of SOC for BPI. Topics may include, but are not limited to: 1. Development Methodologies and Tools: a. Service/Process Modeling, Deployment, and Testing b. Enterprise Architecture and Service/Process Definition c. Model Driven Architecture and Service/Process Reuse d. Process-Oriented Messaging Infrastructures e. Distributed Business Process Management 2. Adoption of Advanced Technologies: a. Intelligent Process Discovery and Integration b. Service/Process Composition c. Event Driven Architecture and Process Automation d. Integration of Services, Messaging, and Connectors e. Business Activity Monitoring and Quality of Service 3. Comparison of Implementation Platforms: a. Business Process Management b. Enterprise Service Bus c. Business Services Networks The workshop will be highly interactive, and commentators will be exploited foster the discussion among participants with different backgrounds: each presentation will be followed by a short presentation of comments from a participant belonging to different areas of expertise, in order to bridge the ideas of the paper with a different viewpoint (e.g., each presentation on IT solutions will be followed by comments from industry experts and, vice-versa, presentations on case studies will be followed by comments on the research and technological challenges). --- SUBMISSIONS --- Authors are invited to submit original, previously unpublished contributions. Papers should be written in English using the Springer's LNCS style (http://www.springer.de/comp/lncs/authors.html) and must not exceed 15 pages. Shorter papers, presenting preliminary results, are welcome. Please submit papers electronically, using the workshop submission site (http://elab.njit.edu/sobpisubmit) Accepted papers will be published on-line and made available in hard copy to the workshop participants. For accepted submissions, at least one author must register for the workshop in order for the paper to appear in the proceedings and to be scheduled in the workshop program. --- ORGANIZERS --- * Stéphane Gagnon, New Jersey Institute of Technology, USA * Heiko Ludwig, IBM Watson Research Center, USA * Marco Pistore, Univeristy of Trento, Italy * Wasim Sadiq, SAP Research Brisbane, Australia --- CONTACT INFORMATION --- Please direct all inquiries to <sobpi(a)dit.unitn.it>.

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RE: [ogsa-wg] Regrets tonight. Spouses birthday
by Treadwell, Jem 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

OK, so that sounds as if nobody was expecting to be the chair for purposes of the dial-in on Monday, which would explain the impasse. That shouldn't be an issue tonight, right?? And on behalf of the OGSA-WG, happy birthday to Mrs. Maguire... :0) - Jem > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On > Behalf Of Tom Maguire > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:29 PM > To: ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org > Subject: [ogsa-wg] Regrets tonight. Spouses birthday > > > > > > dialed in on Monday at 6:08PM and there was no one on. Sorry > for being late. Tonight is my lovely wifes birthday. Please > look at the OGSA BP edits that are posted. I am working on > the security section and will post tomorrow. Ditto for > Roadmap updates. > > Tom > > > > > Frey's Law: "Every 5 years the number of architecture > components double and the ability to comprehend them halves" > > > > > > Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to > add, but when there is nothing left to take away. - Antoine > de Saint-Exupery > > > > > > T o m M a g u i r e > > > > > > STSM, On Demand Architecture > > > Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 >

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Regrets tonight. Spouses birthday
by Tom Maguire 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

dialed in on Monday at 6:08PM and there was no one on. Sorry for being late. Tonight is my lovely wifes birthday. Please look at the OGSA BP edits that are posted. I am working on the security section and will post tomorrow. Ditto for Roadmap updates. Tom Frey’s Law: “Every 5 years the number of architecture components double and the ability to comprehend them halves” Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. – Antoine de Saint-Exupery T o m M a g u i r e STSM, On Demand Architecture Poughkeepsie, NY 12601

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