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[ogsa-wg | Basic Profile - 1223] Profile scope Appendix B (Extensibility Points from Referenced Specs )
by Sourceforge Tracker Monitor 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Tom Maguire changed 1223 on 2005-02-14 10:54:41 Priority has changed: - New: '5' Old: '-' Respond by visiting: https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=780&aid=1223&group_id… (https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=780&aid=1223&group_id…) Summary: Profile scope Appendix B (Extensibility Points from Referenced Specs ) Project: Open Grid Services Architecture Tracker: Basic Profile Artifact ID: 1223 Category: <None> Group: <None> Status: Open Priority: 5 Last Modified By: Tom Maguire Last Modified: 2005-02-14 10:54:41 Submitted By: Tom Maguire Submit Date: 2005-01-28 13:34:03 Assigned To: &lt;None&gt; File(s): <None> Description: Include by reference the WS-I BP 1.1 Extensibility points. Add any others for additional reference specification from Appendix A View the Basic Profile : https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/index.php?func=browse&group_id=42&atid=… (https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/index.php?func=browse&group_id=42&atid=…)

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[ogsa-wg | Basic Profile - 1222] Profile scope Appendix A (Reference Specs)
by Sourceforge Tracker Monitor 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Tom Maguire changed 1222 on 2005-02-14 10:53:53 Priority has changed: - New: '5' Old: '-' Respond by visiting: https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=780&aid=1222&group_id… (https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=780&aid=1222&group_id…) Summary: Profile scope Appendix A (Reference Specs) Project: Open Grid Services Architecture Tracker: Basic Profile Artifact ID: 1222 Category: <None> Group: <None> Status: Open Priority: 5 Last Modified By: Tom Maguire Last Modified: 2005-02-14 10:53:53 Submitted By: Tom Maguire Submit Date: 2005-01-28 13:30:58 Assigned To: &lt;None&gt; File(s): <None> Description: Include by reference all of the reference specs from WS-I BP 1.1. Are there any others that need to be included?? View the Basic Profile : https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/index.php?func=browse&group_id=42&atid=… (https://forge.gridforum.org/tracker/index.php?func=browse&group_id=42&atid=…)

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Appologies
by David Snelling 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Folks, Sorry I won't be able to make the F2F. I a minor family crisis, not serious, just requiring my presence in the UK. I will try to dial in (at least for the Profile discussion). -- Take care: Dr. David Snelling < David . Snelling . UK . Fujitsu . com > Fujitsu Laboratories of Europe Hayes Park Central Hayes End Road Hayes, Middlesex UB4 8FE +44-208-606-4649 (Office) +44-208-606-4539 (Fax) +44-7768-807526 (Mobile)

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RE: [ogsa-wg] Basic EMS BOF
by Rajic, Hrabri 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

I would add DRMAA-WG as a GGF group interested in the work. -Hrabri ________________________________ From: owner-ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Ian Foster Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:27 AM To: Hiro Kishimoto; 'OGSA-WG' Subject: RE: [ogsa-wg] Basic EMS BOF Two comments from me: a) platform -> Platform b) I think it is too early to name co-chair candidates: there has been no discussion of this at all among stakeholders. Ian. At 06:07 PM 2/11/2005 +0900, Hiro Kishimoto wrote: Hi Andrew, I have two comments on your proposal. (1) Please list up widely used pioneering works in addition to GGF WGs. (2) Isn't it too early to name co-chair candidates in this proposal? Attached is revised version of charter BoF proposal. Please have a look. Minutes for Jan 18 call. > 3. What is basic functionality? > - (Ian) GT4 as an example that covers such simple functionality > - (Dave) Unicore/unigrids as another example > - Other efforts might offer input here, e.g., EGEE, etc > - Agreed that background work to review the various material is > needed first. Minutes for Feb. 7 call > ** Simple Job Submission BoF > - Need to also try to get Globus, SUN, and other parties involved. ---- Hiro Kishimoto > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Hiro > Kishimoto > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:37 AM > To: 'OGSA-WG' > Subject: [ogsa-wg] Basic EMS BOF > > Andrew's email bounced. > ---- > Hiro Kishimoto > > From: "Andrew Grimshaw" <grimshaw(a)cs.virginia.edu> > To: <ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org> > Subject: Basic EMS BOF > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:52:37 -0500 > > All, > > As discussed I am proposing a BOF to be held in Korea. Below is the one > paragraph description I will send to Stacey and Bill Nitzberg. I am also working > on a DRAFT charter, and will, of course, send that around as well. Please > comment on the below in the next 24 hours. The one paragraph proposal needs to > be in by Friday - the draft charter does not. The charter will spell it out in > more detail, and include proposed work product and timelines. A DRAFT of the > charter will be ready by the F2F. > > > > BOF proposal: > > Proposed Working Group Name: OGSA Basic Execution Services - OGSA-BES > > > > The OGSA Execution Management Services (EMS) design team has developed as part > of the OGSA V1 document a draft set of EMS services to support a wide range of > use-cases. The objective of the proposed OGSA-BES working group is to focus on a > minimal sub-set of the EMS services and develop a recommendations document > (i.e., specification) for them. The working group will work closely with the > OGSA WG, the JSDL working group, and others as necessary. > > > > Proposed working group chairs: > > Mark Morgan University of Virginia > > Steve Newhouse Southampton University _______________________________________________________________ Ian Foster www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster Math & Computer Science Div. Dept of Computer Science Argonne National Laboratory The University of Chicago Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A. Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A. Tel: 630 252 4619 Fax: 630 252 1997 Globus Alliance, www.globus.org <http://www.globus.org/>

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Basic EMS BOF
by Hiro Kishimoto 11 Feb '05

11 Feb '05

Andrew's email bounced. ---- Hiro Kishimoto From: "Andrew Grimshaw" <grimshaw(a)cs.virginia.edu> To: <ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org> Subject: Basic EMS BOF Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:52:37 -0500 All, As discussed I am proposing a BOF to be held in Korea. Below is the one paragraph description I will send to Stacey and Bill Nitzberg. I am also working on a DRAFT charter, and will, of course, send that around as well. Please comment on the below in the next 24 hours. The one paragraph proposal needs to be in by Friday - the draft charter does not. The charter will spell it out in more detail, and include proposed work product and timelines. A DRAFT of the charter will be ready by the F2F. BOF proposal: Proposed Working Group Name: OGSA Basic Execution Services - OGSA-BES The OGSA Execution Management Services (EMS) design team has developed as part of the OGSA V1 document a draft set of EMS services to support a wide range of use-cases. The objective of the proposed OGSA-BES working group is to focus on a minimal sub-set of the EMS services and develop a recommendations document (i.e., specification) for them. The working group will work closely with the OGSA WG, the JSDL working group, and others as necessary. Proposed working group chairs: Mark Morgan University of Virginia Steve Newhouse Southampton University

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RE: [saga-rg] Re: OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission
by Hiro Kishimoto 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

Hi Andrew's email bounced. ---- Hiro Kishimoto To: "Rajic, Hrabri" <hrabri.rajic(a)intel.com> Cc: Bill Nitzberg <bill(a)computer.org>, Stephen Pickles <stephen.pickles(a)man.ac.uk>, Simple API for Grid Applications WG <saga-rg(a)ggf.org>, ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org Subject: RE: [saga-rg] Re: OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Rajic, Hrabri wrote: > Let me put my industry hat and clarify the last point. > Even though Grid APIs are not the same as the MPI standard, just > imagine having different MPI standards for physicists, biochemists, CS > people, etc all approved by the same standards body. I do not know if > SAGA API could answer everyone's Grid API needs, but it is worth a > try. I agree entirely, and hope that the SAGA APIs will address the basic needs of people from all these groups. Our current strawman addresses the most pressing needs from our current set of use cases, but if we receive more use cases we may identify further operations which should be expressed by the API. Cheers, Tom

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All guest rooms reservations have been made
by Hiro Kishimoto 09 Feb '05

09 Feb '05

Hi F2F meeting attendees, We've booked meeting room at Westin O'Hare for upcoming F2F meeting. The hotel also has booked guest room reservation at $125/night. The rooms are set up as Individual pays own, so you will just need to present a credit card upon check-in. Attached file has two tables showing who stays which night. Table 1 has newly made reservations based on your travel plan. If you want to change or cancel, please let me know. Since this is made by event office, reservation desk cannot change it. You can also talk to Convention Service Coordinator, Stacy Knoeck, directly. (847-698-1398, stacy.knoeck(a)westin.com) Table 2 has already made reservations. But they are now changed under our meetings and the room rate is $125. Again, if you want to change or cancel, please let me or Stacy know. Thanks, ---- Hiro Kishimoto

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NO call on Wednesday (Feb. 9)
by Hiro Kishimoto 09 Feb '05

09 Feb '05

Hi all, Since many people cannot make Wednesday's call due to GlobusWorld, we agreed not to have call on this Wednesday. See you next week in Chicago, ---- Hiro Kishimoto

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RE: [ogsa-wg] OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission
by Hiro Kishimoto 08 Feb '05

08 Feb '05

Andrew's email bounced. ---- Hiro Kishimoto From: "Andrew Grimshaw" <grimshaw(a)cs.virginia.edu> To: "'Rajic, Hrabri'" <hrabri.rajic(a)intel.com>, "'Tom Goodale'" <goodale(a)cct.lsu.edu> Cc: <saga-rg(a)ggf.org>, <ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org>, "'Bill Nitzberg'" <bill(a)computer.org>, "'Stephen Pickles'" <stephen.pickles(a)man.ac.uk> Subject: RE: [ogsa-wg] OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:25:55 -0500 I've been preparing a Basic EMS Services BOF request based on the EMS documents we have and on the results of last week's EMS F2F in London. The proposed WG does NOT collide in anyway with JSDL. It is not about "job submission" - it is about execution management at is simplest. It is highly complementary in the sense that JSDL is about description - and the proposed WG is about services to realize what JSDL specifies. I will be reporting on in during the call tonight - as called for in the agenda Hiro sent around. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Rajic, Hrabri Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:16 PM To: Tom Goodale Cc: saga-rg(a)ggf.org; ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org; Bill Nitzberg; Stephen Pickles Subject: [ogsa-wg] OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission Tom, Are OGSA EMC people aware of the most recent SAGA-RG work? Would SAGA-RG people like to engage OGSA EMC and possibly co-sponsor a Simple job submission WG? This could be a nice opportunity to tie in the classic API and the WSDL approach. One thing to consider: Do we really need APIs in SRM, APME, and now in ARCH areas? Hrabri ---- from "[ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Feb. 7th call" mail by Hiro ------- 4) Simple job submission BoF preparation (30 min) From the minutes of Jan. 19 call. > - There is a plan to do an EM-related BoF. Stacey should know about > it but it is not the job of the OGSA-WG to tell her---the > proposed-chairs should do it. Preparation has not progressed to > that point yet so Andrew as Area Director will take care of it. > Action: Andrew as Area director to send an email to the directors of > the relevant Area (SRM: Bill, Stephen) to let them know of > the proposed BoF; also to Stacey to reserve a slot. > - Andrew mentioned that on the Data call there was a discussion for > a similar BoF for Data. -Hrabri

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RE: [saga-rg] Re: OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission
by Rajic, Hrabri 08 Feb '05

08 Feb '05

> 4) Simple job submission BoF preparation (30 min) line does not reflect well what was meant as a work for the group. The choice of words was simply unfortunate. What OGSA-WG had in mind should have come as an input from discussions summarized in the attached document which mostly appears to not have direct relevance for SAGA-RG work. It this point I pass the role of the middleman to Chris who should be able to give more background for the SAGA-RG if necessary. Let me put my industry hat and clarify the last point. Even though Grid APIs are not the same as the MPI standard, just imagine having different MPI standards for physicists, biochemists, CS people, etc all approved by the same standards body. I do not know if SAGA API could answer everyone's Grid API needs, but it is worth a try. -Hrabri -----Original Message----- From: John Shalf [mailto:jshalf@lbl.gov] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:37 AM To: Bill Nitzberg; ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org; Rajic, Hrabri; Simple API for Grid Applications WG; Stephen Pickles; Tom Goodale Subject: Re: [saga-rg] Re: OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Tom Goodale wrote: >> Would >> SAGA-RG people like to engage OGSA EMC and possibly co-sponsor a >> Simple >> job submission WG? This could be a nice opportunity to tie in the >> classic API and the WSDL approach. > > I'm not sure how relevent this would be, unless you are thinking of a > direct mapping of the SAGA API into WSDL, which may not make sense, > and would probably constrain the new group too much, however we should > certainly make sure we have some people at the BoF. Well, this should be cause for further discussion. The application programmer point of view on this will be "I don't really care what's underneath as long as it does what I ask of it when I call the right subroutine". So the WSDL mapping is more on the implementation side of things. That being said, having a working implementation is quite important. So it may be very interesting to pursue as a path to implementation (albeit not the only path). I think the concern on the SAGA side is that the WSDL interface will be adjusted to accommodate the semantics defined by the application use cases rather than the other way around. But this sounds pretty reasonable to me. >> One thing to consider: Do we really need APIs in SRM, APME, and now >> in >> ARCH areas? > > I'm not sure I understand this question ? We have APIs for the > functional areas we identified from our use cases. Just to echo this part of Tom's note, the API's are driven by the use cases. The use cases thus far didn't describe any good SRM applications (or at least SRM-like requirements were not described in enough detail for us to act upon). It could just be that the apps people are so bogged down in remote file access issues that they don't realize they need good Storage Resource Management systems yet. If we get some well described SRM, APME, or ARCH use cases, that will motivate development of APIs in those areas. (its not that those areas are not important) -john

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