You are correct of course! There just happen to be different mechanisms for "community program" (introduced in GGF14) and group business sessions (introduced in beginning of time). This distinction is highlighted for OGF 20 as there are not many sessions for community program but partly as they can be offered thursday and friday, less pressure on group sessions Malcolm Atkinson wrote:
My understanding Geoffrey was that any activity aimed at developing and sustaining a grid community was and is an activity in a community programme. I find it hard to understand the distinction between a meeting of a community group which is, at least in part, trying fulfil that obligation and a meeting in the "community programme". I agree that ET-CG has plenty of flexibility about when it meets, compared with some other activities that you wish to cluster. The value of including some of the *-CG activities within the cluster of your community programme should be considered.
I still find it a complete semantic mystery how the phrase "community programme" doesn't include the meetings of the community groups. But no problems now <((-:}
Malcolm
On 13/2/07 17:12, "Geoffrey Fox" <gcf@grids.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
I apologize that ice storm here has made it impossible for me to attend telecon
Proposed strategy looks good! I did communicate with IVOA and they indicated that they could even prefer OGF21 to OGF20 I suggested ET-CG switch to group sessions
The community program is aimed at significant mini-workshops rather than individual presentations or other 90 minute events that can be done by group mechanism. I would prefer a few good "significant" projects be chosen rather than many small ones
Dave Berry wrote:
Hi Erwin,
There are fewer than 48 proposals, as some proposals requested more than one session.
I realise that we won't be able to consider every proposal in detail but I would like to briefly consider each one, seeing in which track they would best fit. I agree that a more detailed consideration will have to take place off-line.
I would also like to see whether we want to respond to some proposers with alternative possibilities. E.g. for some, we might ask whether they would consider running in fewer sessions. For others, we might suggest they are more appropriate as group sessions, or that they give a presentation in the Grids Mean Business track instead of running in a separate session.
Best wishes,
Dave.
-----Original Message----- From: Erwin Laure [mailto:Erwin.Laure@cern.ch] <mailto:Erwin.Laure@cern.ch%5D> Sent: 13 February 2007 14:47 To: Dave Berry Cc: ogf20pc@ogf.org Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Today's telcon
Hi Dave,
Do you really want to do that online in the phone conference? Going online through all the 48 proposals will probably not be very efficient. Also, I doubt many of us had the chance to carefully look into them (at least, I wasn't able to do so, yet).
May I propose to do an off-line ranking according to your suggestion in the coming days (say until Friday) and then discuss the ranked results in the PC meeting?
Cheers,
-- Erwin
Dave Berry wrote:
A reminder that we have a telcon today, at 9am PST / 11am
CST / 12am EST
/ 5pm GMT / 6pm CET / 2am JST / 3am Sydney.
I want to go through the community proposals. For each proposal, I suggest we first decide whether it falls under the remit of
e-Science,
Enterprise, or other. Then I'd like to rate each proposal from 1-5 according to the scale below, ignoring whether we can schedule the event. We should also decide whether the content could be
suitable for
another type of sessions, e.g. a Group Session, Grid Means
Business, or
the Developer track.
When rating proposals, we should consider the relevance to
Grid, the
international scope, the quality of the content and the
relevance to OGF.
Ratings: 1 - Not suitable for OGF. 2 - A session that fails some of the criteria and should only be included if we need to fill slots. 3 - A good session that fits all or most of the criteria;
to be included
if slots is available. 4 - A good session that fits all the criteria; to be
included if possible.
5 - An excellent session that should be included no matter what
The dialin details are as before: International dialin: +44 145 254 2309 USA Freephone: 1 866 838 0046 UK number: 0845 245 0224 Australia Freephone: 180 010 9603
Passcode: 275359
Dave Berry Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street Edinburgh, EH8 9AA +44 131 651 4039
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