My understanding Geoffrey was that any activity aimed at developing and sustaining a grid community was and is an activity in a community programme.  I find it hard to understand the distinction between a meeting of a community group which is, at least in part, trying fulfil that obligation and a meeting in the “community programme”. I agree that ET-CG has plenty of flexibility about when it meets, compared with some other activities that you wish to cluster.  The value of including some of the *-CG activities within the cluster of your community programme should be considered.

I still find it a complete semantic mystery how the phrase “community programme” doesn’t include the meetings of the community groups.
But no problems now <((-:}

Malcolm



On 13/2/07 17:12, "Geoffrey Fox" <gcf@grids.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:

I apologize that ice storm here has made it impossible for me to attend telecon

Proposed strategy looks good!
I did communicate with IVOA and they indicated that they could even prefer OGF21 to OGF20
I suggested ET-CG switch to group sessions

The community program is aimed at significant mini-workshops rather than individual presentations or other 90 minute events that can be done by group mechanism. I would prefer a few good "significant" projects be chosen rather than many small ones

Dave Berry wrote:

Hi Erwin,

There are fewer than 48 proposals, as some proposals requested more than
one session.  

I realise that we won't be able to consider every proposal in detail but
I would like to briefly consider each one, seeing in which track they
would best fit.  I agree that a more detailed consideration will have to
take place off-line.

I would also like to see whether we want to respond to some proposers
with alternative possibilities.  E.g. for some, we might ask whether
they would consider running in fewer sessions.  For others, we might
suggest they are more appropriate as group sessions, or that they give a
presentation in the Grids Mean Business track instead of running in a
separate session.

Best wishes,

Dave.


  
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Laure [mailto:Erwin.Laure@cern.ch]
Sent: 13 February 2007 14:47
To: Dave Berry
Cc: ogf20pc@ogf.org
Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Today's telcon

Hi Dave,

Do you really want to do that online in the phone conference? Going
online through all the 48 proposals will probably not be very
efficient.
Also, I doubt many of us had the chance to carefully look
into them (at
least, I wasn't able to do so, yet).

May I propose to do an off-line ranking according to your
suggestion in
the coming days (say until Friday) and then discuss the
ranked results
in the PC meeting?

Cheers,

-- Erwin

Dave Berry wrote:
    
 

A reminder that we have a telcon today, at 9am PST / 11am
      
 

CST / 12am EST
    
 

/ 5pm GMT / 6pm CET / 2am JST / 3am Sydney.
 
I want to go through the community proposals.  For each proposal, I
suggest we first decide whether it falls under the remit of
      
 

e-Science,
    
 

Enterprise, or other.  Then I'd like to rate each proposal from 1-5
according to the scale below, ignoring whether we can schedule the
event.  We should also decide whether the content could be
      
 

suitable for
    
 

another type of sessions, e.g. a Group Session, Grid Means
      
 

Business, or
    
 

the Developer track.
 
When rating proposals, we should consider the relevance to
      
 

Grid, the
    
 

international scope, the quality of the content and the
      
 

relevance to OGF.
    
 

 
Ratings:
1 - Not suitable for OGF.
2 - A session that fails some of the criteria and should only be
included if we need to fill slots.
3 - A good session that fits all or most of the criteria;
      
 

to be included
    
 

if slots is available.
4 - A good session that fits all the criteria; to be
      
 

included if possible.
    
 

5 - An excellent session that should be included no matter what
 
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