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Road to OGF27 / Finishing our documents
by Thijs Metsch 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

Hi @all, First of all: many thanks to all people commenting and working on the documents! The chairs and editors of our two documents had a great phone call yesterday. Together we came up with the following plan to finish the first round of documentation. First of all the Specification is coming along well! I'll send a new version around today and we can have a first round of comments during our concall today. I'll send a separate invitation soon. To get a first version of the document out by OGF27 we'll do the following steps: 1. I'll send around a new PDF version of the document out today. And from now on I will build a new version on Monday which we can discuss on our Wednesdays concalls. 2. On next weeks concall (23.09.2009) we will do a walkthrough of the complete spec and look into the comments we go so far. From a 'workforce' kind of perspective we came up with some action items / questions /ideas: - Andre volunteered to do another round of reading/commenting on the document by then. - Andy is currently so kind to keep track of the comments on the list - Sam works hard on bringing all pieces together. - @Gary: can you have a look on the document for next weeks concall with regards to the storage aspects? - @Randy Bias: Can you do the same for networking related issues (also for the 30.09)? - @Richard Davies: Can you look into the compute resources stuff for the concall next week? 3. In two weeks (concall on 30.09) I'll try to invite people from the UCM who work on OpenNebula to discuss the OCCI implementation they did. Especially with an eye on thinks we might need to change. IMPORTANT: The next to concalls (23.09 and 30.09) are crucial for us to get our stuff done. So please mark your calendars for those days. Timeslot is the same as usual: 07:00 PDT, 10:00 EDT, 15:00 BST, 16:00 CEST. All the best, -Thijs -- Thijs Metsch Tel: +49 (0)941 3075-122 (x60122) http://blogs.sun.com/intheclouds http://www.twitter.com/befreax Software Engineer Cloud, Grid and Virtualization Sun Microsystems GmbH Dr.-Leo-Ritter-Str. 7 mailto:thijs.metsch@sun.com D-93049 Regensburg http://www.sun.com

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Upcoming OGF 27 OCCI sessions
by Thijs Metsch 15 Sep '09

15 Sep '09

Hi @all, As you might know OGF27 will take place next month (October 12-16, 2009) in Banff, Alberta, Canada. For all details visit: http://ogf.org/OGF27/ During this one week event I requested 2 sessions for OCCI. Now I would like to know who is coming to Banff and maybe can present something. As you know OGF27 is one of the major milestones in OCCI since we intent to present one of the fist Cloud Standards - OCCI. During those two seesions we will present and discuss the OCCI specification. I will try to provide a dial-in option as well. In the first session I want to give a short presentation about OCCI as an introduction followed up by some presentations from external people. Maybe OGF, OpenNebula or similar. Stefan Schulz already volunteered to present ETSI. I would also like to request you to state your interest in presenting. After this informal presentations I would like to present the Specification. Discussions can then be held in a second session afterwards. So please state your interest in presenting or just if you are coming. So maybe I'm not the only OCCI representative over there :-) All the best, -Thijs -- Thijs Metsch Tel: +49 (0)941 3075-122 (x60122) http://blogs.sun.com/intheclouds http://www.twitter.com/befreax Software Engineer Cloud, Grid and Virtualization Sun Microsystems GmbH Dr.-Leo-Ritter-Str. 7 mailto:thijs.metsch@sun.com D-93049 Regensburg http://www.sun.com

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SNIA Releases new Cloud Data Management Interface (CDMI) for public review
by Thijs Metsch 14 Sep '09

14 Sep '09

Hi, Probably most of you are on the mailinglist of SNIA but in case you missed it: http://groups.google.com/group/snia-cloud/browse_thread/thread/104c1b4b4b22… Cheers, -Thijs -- Thijs Metsch Tel: +49 (0)941 3075-122 (x60122) http://blogs.sun.com/intheclouds http://www.twitter.com/befreax Software Engineer Cloud, Grid and Virtualization Sun Microsystems GmbH Dr.-Leo-Ritter-Str. 7 mailto:thijs.metsch@sun.com D-93049 Regensburg http://www.sun.com

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Fwd: One Cloud Standard to Rule them All
by Sam Johnston 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

FYI, many of you will receive this directly from the CCIF but I'm posting it here too in order to give you an update on progress. With related discussions taking place on other lists (e.g. rest-discuss<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rest-discuss/>, ietf-http-wg <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/>, atom-syntax <http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/>, etc.), on the weekly conference calls and other out-of-band channels it can be difficult to see that progress is being made but I can assure you that it is. As soon as we get the documentation in line with the latest discussions we'll crank the list back up as I believe most of us are back from summer vacations now (the center of gravity of the working group happens to be in Europe where the months of July and August tend to be useless for productivity). Then we'll have to get to work on our PR as we've been holding back while working on having something to talk about - in particular I think the blog will be front and center and "guest" [re]posts will be gratefully accepted. Sam ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sam Johnston <samj(a)samj.net> Date: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM Subject: Re: One Cloud Standard to Rule them All To: cloudforum(a)googlegroups.com On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Greg Pfister <greg.pfister(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > +1 on > > "at the end of the day, cloud standards seem to > have little to do with customer requirements but instead more to do > with marketeering and positioning for market dominance." > > That certainly aligns with my prior experience in several industry > standards groups. A key goal of participants is always to steer new > standards as close as possible to their own company's product roadmap. > The normal order of the day is Intense politicking, behind-the-scenes > maneuvering for votes, and whatever dirty tricks are needed to > accomplish that alignment. > > If you don't get the desired result, you return home from standards > meetings with a lot to answer for. > Dilbert captures this as only Dilbert can, and it's hard to believe it was a coincidence for this to have come the day after the vCloud API annoucenment last week: http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-09-02/ FWIW I'm fervent about openness and transparency and am 100% committed to Open Cloud and the Open Cloud Computing Interface (OCCI). I'm also not aligned with any of the vendors, nor do I have my own "horse in the race" so to speak, rather I'm funded by strategic consultancy with large enterprises who share my passion for openness (or should I say, distain for vendor lock-in). For some background there was an article in Silicon (Germany) last week which is translated to English below and there should be more like it real soon now (note I wasn't involved in the writing of this article so there's one or two gotchas - in particular "Open Cloud" in no way requires open source). My point is that all is not lost. OCCI's been a while in coming following a change in strategy early on (I had planned to follow Google's example by using AtomPub but it turns out people prefer a choice of formats) but it will be here very soon and I can assure you it will be a best-of-breed API as close as possible to the "universal interface" of HTTP. Not only have we conducted a formal use case and requirements gathering process (the results of which will be available for public comment soon) but we have had a number of APIs submitted (hopefully soon to include vCloud) and are taking the best parts from each rather than basing our development on any one API. The process is backed by an established standards development organisation (OGF) but is completely open - anyone can participate to the discussions and contribute to or comment on the documents (which are now in a Google Code repository <http://code.google.com/p/occi/source/browse/#hg/docs>). You can also contribute extensions and new formats (we've done some work on Atom, XHTML5, JSON & text renderings already) within the official spec or independently - if you need protocol buffers for performance reasons for example then you're welcome to write it up (assuming we don't get round to it). There are now 200 people in the working group, of which a number are representing various vendors and academic projects on a formal/funded basis. In the coming days we'll have a coherent specification and will need all the help we can get in refining it so if you haven't already then please join the list <http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/occi-wg> and get involved<http://forge.ogf.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.occi-wg/wiki/GettingInvol…>. The OGF 27 event is next month and here's hoping we can get it to a publicly presentable state by then. Sam http://www.silicon.de/software/business/0,39039006,41502041,00/open+source+… *Open Cloud Initiative falls on fertile ground in Germany * by Ludger Schmitz* Most concerns about cloud Computing are about security and governance. But will a customer of a cloud stay free? Some "openness" is not enough. A solution could be open source cloud computing. In Germany this seems to be on the way. If a corporation consolidates his globally widespread IT capacities in a so-called „private cloud“, first of all there is talk about virtualization – and VMware not far away. A „public cloud“ is called, where any company can use an external IT infrastructure. Known vendors in this area are Amazon, Google, IBM, Microsoft and Oracle, to name a few. In addition, several smaller vendors are trying to attach to the trend Sooner or later a wave of consolidation will sweep through this yet forming market. In a foreseeable future there will be less freedom of choice for the customers. There's even less freedom when it comes to applications. Within a cloud there are almost no competing offerings. Today's clouds are exclusive circles, open only to those who are willing to accept the respective rules and – even more important – the limits. Cloud computing rises the dependence of the customers to a level that reminds of the eighties. Last year Dell put it to the extremes by trying to get the trademark for cloud computing. Many potential customers fear that cloud computing, though marketing tries to associate it with freedom, might push them back into former dependencies. Sun Microsystems seems to have realized this danger – and consequently called it's own offering Open Cloud. Actually in this offering open source software had a key role. As it has at Google, but here the APIs of the Google Application Engine form the cage. Early this year there were extensive discussions among some vendors, how much freedom would be necessary to keep the cloud offerings attractive. The discussions resulted in an “Open Cloud Manifesto<http://www.opencloudmanifesto.org>”, published on April 1st, 2009. Among it's principles is the sentence: “Cloud providers must not use their market position to lock customers into their particular platforms and limit their choice of providers.” Therefore standards should be used and if needed be developed in a common effort. Every work should be under the imperative of customers needs. Many vendors signed the manifesto, among them several from the open source community with Red Hat and Novell on top. Of the potentially most important players at this time IBM, SAP, Sun and VMware stood behind the manifest. Amazon, Google, Microsoft and Oracle are missing. Microsoft criticized it had not been involved in preparing the document and was only asked to sign it. In an open source community this procedure would not be unusual as always someone starts something, other get involved and later influence a project by their activity. But the manifesto was not only made for the open source world. At just about the same time Sam Johnston <http://samj.net>, an Australian, analysed the various forms of clouds and came to four different ones: The first, the “Closed Cloud” is not open accessible and usually referred to as private cloud. The second is the “Open Cloud” with open APIs and open standards. Somewhere between these two categories today's cloud offerings can be located. As a third form there could be talk of an “Open Source Cloud” where open source software is used beyond open standards and APIs. Where additionally even data is open this would form the “Free Cloud”. Wikipedia gives an idea. By using precise definitions Johnston goes more into details than the Open Cloud Manifesto. According to him open APIs mean that all relevant functions must be implemented on the basis of open standards for open interfaces. Userdata and even metadata must be available in open standard formats. In an Open Source Cloud only software may be used that is under a licence approved by the Open Source Initiative (OSI). And in the free cloud form the data must be under an open knowledge licence. When it comes to the central question, what open standards are, Johnston goes once more deeper into details than the vague manifest. He demands that an open standard is in all details public and can be used at no cost. Therefore copyright fees are not acceptable. Similar with patents that must be irrevocable available free of charge. Trademarks may not be used in a discriminating way. Last not least all implementations of an open standards must have a OSI-accepted licence, so be open source – or public domain. With this last point Johnston sets fire to what he has described before as Open Cloud. He seems to do so willingly, because an Open Cloud is obviously not enough, neither for him nor for others in the open source community. This became apparent on April 6th, 2009 when Johnston published an “Open letter to the Community <http://www.opencloudinitiative.org/openletter>” to introduce the “Open Cloud Initiative <http://www.opencloudinitiative.org>”. It's abbreviation is only OC to prevent confusion with the Open Source Initiative <http://www.opensource.org> (OSI). The OC has several aims: It wants to ensure that the expression open cloud is not diluted and the customers under this label get basics freedom rights like the one to access their data in open formats via open interfaces at any time. As guard of the open cloud the initiative also wants to keep the cloud market open to all vendors and the entry barriers low. Finally the OC wants to make sure that in an open source cloud the principles and definitions of the OSI are respected. According to some insiders the ideas of an Open Cloud Initiative fell on fertile ground in the German open source community. There seems to be massive work at a reference stack of open source solutions, that are needed, integrated and reliable connected for an open source cloud. The work is not done yet, quite a lot technical problems still need to be overcome. But using open source software the companies committed to open source cloud computing have some advantages: They work with readable source code, with open interfaces and standards. It looks as if they are about to present a cloud offering, that would be far more extended, flexible and free than anything a proprietary vendor can offer as cloud. This would change the game in the cloud market. An open source cloud at this time would be a milestone in the open source history. Because up to now open source itself was a trend but lagging years behind proprietary products for other IT trends. This time it could turn into a neck-and-neck race. *Ludger Schmitz is a freelancer in Munich, Germany, specialized on open source developments. Contacts: l.schmitz [at] open-source-presse.de Translation German to English assisted by Michael Kromer, Millenux GmbH, Munich. Greg "experience breeds cynicism" Pfister > http://perilsofparallel.blogspot.com/ > > On Sep 5, 1:14 pm, Reuven Cohen <r...(a)enomaly.com> wrote: > > Lots of discussion recently on the the topic of Cloud standards and a > > potential Cloud standards war emerging. Thought I'd give you a quick run > > down. > > > > In an article written by Tom Nolle for Internet Evolution he asks if > Multiple > > Standards Could Spoil Cloud > > Computing?< > http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=561&doc_id=181129>. > > In the post he says " too many standards are worse than no standards at > all, > > because these efforts can stifle innovation and even implementation. In > the > > case of cloud computing, there’s also the big question of whether > standards > > being pushed for private clouds will end up contaminating the successful > > Internet model of cloud computing." > > > > Tom also gives some love to my Unified Cloud Interface > > concept< > http://www.elasticvapor.com/2009/02/semantic-cloud-abstraction.html>saying > > "The > > best hope for a unification is the Cloud Computing Interoperability > Forum. > > Its Unified Cloud Architecture > > <http://code.google.com/p/unifiedcloud/>tackles standards by making > > public cloud computing interoperable. Their map > > of cloud computing shows the leading public cloud providers and a > proposed > > Unified Cloud Interface that the body defines, with a joking reference to > > Tolkien’s *Lord of the Rings*, as “One API to Rule them All". So then, > why > > not have that “One API” rule private clouds, too? A single top-down > vision > > of cloud computing for public and private clouds has to be a better > > approach." -- amen brotha. > > > > (As a side note, I'm still committed to the concept of Semantic Cloud > > Abstraction and the Unified Cloud Interface Project > > (UCI)<http://code.google.com/p/unifiedcloud/>, > > but lack the time to do much with it given all my various commitments. So > if > > you're interested in helping do something more around the concept of > > semantic cloud API's, please feel free to get in touch. Currently I would > > describe the UCI as a science experiment at best.) > > > > Elsewhere on the standards front, on Friday the OpenNebula project > announced > > that they had made available a prototype implementation of the OCCI draft > > specification <http://www.occi-wg.org/>. In case you're not familar with > > OCCI, it's a simple open API specification for remote management of cloud > > computing infrastructures focused on multicloud interoperability. In the > > note to the OCCI mailing list they stated that they believe that it is > > important to have an implementation in order to demo the standard, which > > they think will provide value by being able to show people how the > standard > > will function in a real world environment. The prototype includes a > server > > implementation, client command for using the service and enabling access > to > > the full functionality of the OCCI interface. > > > > Some other interesting recent cloud standards commentary includes a > > post by Simon > > Wardley with an assertion that a standards war is now in full > > swing< > http://blog.gardeviance.org/2009/09/cloud-computing-standards-war.html>. > > In the post Wardley outlines several considerations for cloud standards > > including; > > > > - A specification can be controlled, influenced and directed more > easily > > than an open source project. > > - A specification can easily be exceeded providing mechanisms of > lock-in > > whilst still retaining compliance to a *'standard'*. > > - A specification needs to be implemented and depending upon the size > and > > complexity of the *'standard'* this can create significant adoption > > barriers to having multiple implementations. > > - Open source reference models provide a rapid means of implementing a > * > > 'standard'* and hence encourage adoption. > > - Open source reference models provide a mechanism for testing the > > compliance of any proprietary re-implementation. > > - Adoption and becoming de facto are key to winning this war. > > > > Christopher Hoff also chimes in > > saying<http://www.rationalsurvivability.com/blog/?p=1316>"A Cloud > > standards war? War is such an ugly term. It’s just the normal > > activity associated with disruptive innovation and the markets sorting > > themselves out. The standards arena is simply where the dirty laundry > gets > > exposed. Get used to it, there’s enough mud/FUD flinging that you can > expect > > several loads" > > > > Personally I would say that at the end of the day, cloud standards seem > to > > have little to do with customer requirements but instead more to do > > with marketeering > > and positioning for market dominance. If there truly is a cloud standards > > war emerging then the way it will be won will be based solely on the > > standard / platform with the broad adoption. The technology (API, > Platform, > > etc) with the broadest market penetration will ultimately win -- this is > a > > certainty. Although personally I would prefer to see the "most open" and > > interoperable approach win, lets be realistic, the winner will most > likely > > be the one with the largest share of cloud computing revenue. > > > > -- > > Reuven > > CCIF Instigator > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Cloud Computing Interoperability Forum (CCIF)" group. > To post to this group, send email to cloudforum(a)googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cloudforum+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com<cloudforum%2Bunsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com> > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cloudforum?hl=en > > ----- > Join our Twitter Group at www.twitter.com/cloudforum > Or Our Linkedin Group at http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/927567 > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > >

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Re: [occi-wg] next person to subscribe to this mailing-list...
by Thijs Metsch 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Seems so! Congratulations! -Thijs On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 15:23 +0200, Andre Merzky wrote: > Did I manage to grap the 200? ;-) > > A. > > > Quoting [Thijs Metsch] (Sep 10 2009): > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:08:37 +0200 > > From: Thijs Metsch <Thijs.Metsch(a)Sun.COM> > > To: occi-wg(a)ogf.org > > Subject: [occi-wg] next person to subscribe to this mailing-list... > > > > > > ...is going to be # 200... > > > > -Thijs

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Re: [occi-wg] FYI: New White paper available on Cloud Storage for Cloud Computing SNIA/OCCI Collaboration
by gary mazzaferro 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

In case you missed the URLs to the document at the bottom of the announcement.. White Paper on the SNIA Site <http://www.snia.org/cloud/CloudStorageForCloudComputing.pdf> White Paper on the OGF Site<http://ogf.org/Resources/documents/CloudStorageForCloudComputing.pdf> Open Cloud Computing Interface - working group Web Site<http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/projects/occi-wg> SNIA Web Site <http://www.snia.org/home> Cheers, Gary Mazz On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Edmonds, AndrewX <andrewx.edmonds(a)intel.com > wrote: > Any URL to go along with that? > > > > *From:* occi-wg-bounces(a)ogf.org [mailto:occi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] *On > Behalf Of *Gary Mazz > *Sent:* 10 September 2009 16:38 > *To:* occi-wg(a)ogf.org; cloudforum(a)googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [occi-wg] FYI: New White paper available on Cloud Storage for > Cloud Computing SNIA/OCCI Collaboration > > > > Hi, > > Just in case you haven't seen this release. > > Best Regards > Gary Mazz > > > > [image: A Message from SNIA] > Get the new whitepaper on Cloud Storage for Cloud Computing > > > > The Storage Networking Industry Association in conjunction with the Open > Grid Forum have recently published a whitepaper on Cloud Storage for Cloud > Computing. The Cloud has become a new vehicle for delivering resources such > as computing and storage to customers on demand. > > Rather than being a new technology in itself, the cloud is a new business > model wrapped around new technologies such as server virtualization that > take advantage of economies of scale and multi-tenancy to reduce the cost of > using information technology resources. > > This paper discusses the business drivers in the Cloud delivery mechanism > and business model, what the requirements are in this space, and how > standard interfaces, coordinated between different organizations can meet > the emerging needs for interoperability and portability of data between > clouds. > > To learn more about SNIA's Cloud Data Management Interface (CDMI) standard, > and how it works with Cloud Computing standards such as the OGF Open Cloud > Computing Interface (OCCI) please download the new whitepaper from one of > the following locations: > > SNIA Site <http://www.snia.org/cloud/CloudStorageForCloudComputing.pdf> > OGF Site<http://ogf.org/Resources/documents/CloudStorageForCloudComputing.pdf> > > > > snia.org <http://www.snia.org/> ogf.org > © 2009 Storage Networking Industry Association © 2009 Open Grid Forum > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Intel Ireland Limited (Branch) > Collinstown Industrial Park, Leixlip, County Kildare, Ireland > Registered Number: E902934 > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for > the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or distribution > by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. > >

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FYI: New White paper available on Cloud Storage for Cloud Computing SNIA/OCCI Collaboration
by Gary Mazz 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

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New Whitepaper available on Cloud Storage for Cloud Computing - please forward
by Mark A. Carlson 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

A Message from SNIA Get the new whitepaper on Cloud Storage for Cloud Computing The Storage Networking Industry Association in conjunction with the Open Grid Forum have recently published a whitepaper on Cloud Storage for Cloud Computing. The Cloud has become a new vehicle for delivering resources such as computing and storage to customers on demand. Rather than being a new technology in itself, the cloud is a new business model wrapped around new technologies such as server virtualization that take advantage of economies of scale and multi-tenancy to reduce the cost of using information technology resources. This paper discusses the business drivers in the Cloud delivery mechanism and business model, what the requirements are in this space, and how standard interfaces, coordinated between different organizations can meet the emerging needs for interoperability and portability of data between clouds. To learn more about SNIA's Cloud Data Management Interface (CDMI) standard, and how it works with Cloud Computing standards such as the OGF Open Cloud Computing Interface (OCCI) please download the new whitepaper from one of the following locations: SNIA Site <http://www.snia.org/cloud/CloudStorageForCloudComputing.pdf> OGF Site <http://ogf.org/Resources/documents/CloudStorageForCloudComputing.pdf> snia.org <http://www.snia.org/> ogf.org <http://ogf.org/> © 2009 Storage Networking Industry Association © 2009 Open Grid Forum

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Adding a folder to the wiki document root directory
by Gary Mazz 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Hi I tried to add a new folder to the documents section of the wiki, I don't seem to have adequate privileges. Can someone please add a "white papers" folder to the documents root folder ? And, under that a "collaborations" folder -gary

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next person to subscribe to this mailing-list...
by Thijs Metsch 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

...is going to be # 200... -Thijs -- Thijs Metsch Tel: +49 (0)941 3075-122 (x60122) http://blogs.sun.com/intheclouds http://www.twitter.com/befreax Software Engineer Cloud, Grid and Virtualization Sun Microsystems GmbH Dr.-Leo-Ritter-Str. 7 mailto:thijs.metsch at sun.com D-93049 Regensburg http://www.sun.com

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