Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04 Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place. Best regards Radek ________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________
Hi, Yes I want to contribute. I can perhaps note something on the demonstrations and lessons learned. Or other areas where you think it's appropriate :) Jeroen. On 23 Mar 2012, at 12:34, Radek Krzywania wrote:
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________
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Hi Radek- I am willing to help on this... Some thoughts: In the "current" section (v1.*)... I would suggest this be a relatively high level paper - not getting into the specifics of WSDLs or state machines (too much detail)- but keeping to the higher layer inter-domain purpose for NSI, its technology agnostic approach - how that works and what that brings, the connection life cycle, basic primitive functions, the service tree and tree/chain processing, scheduled and on-demand, integrated AAI for every interaction, the NSI topology model, and the strategies (such as security and scalability) that helped define how these features were implemented. (This paper should entice readers to learn more - not teach them all the dirty details:-) We should put a section in to describe the GLIF Automated GOLE effort that has deployed NSI and has learned a great deal in doing so - where it functions well, where we had problems, etc. The point of this section is to show that NSI is not simply a chalk board exercise, but is being tested in the field and experience feeding back directly into the protocol and standard. Given that we have some clarity now on version 2.0, we should (IMO) include a brief high level summary of those features and why they are important in the "futures" section. I would also include the drive in the working groups towards a common topology model (i.e. NML), ongoing work on a common topology distribution process, work going on in GLIF to find a comprehensive NSI conformant performance verification model, etc ... (Jeroen and I will be presenting a paper on topology issues, so we don't need a lot of detail on this topic here - just enough to show that NSI sees a broader picture than simply the CS provisioning protocol.) I don't know where is best, but it would be useful also to indicate which organizations have expressed a commitment to deploying NSI based services in their networks. Certainly some have committed to doing so, and other have gone a step further with estimated deployment timelines... Presenting this commitment is an important aspect to campus or regional CIOs etc that are wondering about future directions. Finally, I think it is important (especially to the "suits" attending TNC) to emphasize the Open international process for the NSI work and the community consensus building that this engenders - resulting in broader adoption -> which is critical for global functionality in an inter-domain services world. (We are not just addressing networking organizations, but increasingly IT organizations...) ...just some ideas... Jerry On 3/23/12 7:34 AM, Radek Krzywania wrote:
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________
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Hi Jerry, Regarding high-level paper I agree, yet the protocol life cycle is quite important in NSI context. I would not go into too much details, that’s why I proposed to do so as an example on success scenario (so we can skip some states or more complex transitions). I support GLIF Automated GOLE efforts to be included. We can put it into demo and lessons learned sections, unless you prefer to make separate section for deployment (well, demos were deployments of prototypes, that’s why I would put it there). Showing community support is as well good idea. I am not sure, but maybe future work is the right place to put it. What do you think? Best regards Radek ________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and <mailto:radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl> radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 <http://www.man.poznan.pl> http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________ From: Jerry Sobieski [mailto:jerry@nordu.net] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:32 PM To: radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Cc: nsi-wg@ogf.org Subject: Re: [Nsi-wg] Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference Hi Radek- I am willing to help on this... Some thoughts: In the "current" section (v1.*)... I would suggest this be a relatively high level paper - not getting into the specifics of WSDLs or state machines (too much detail)- but keeping to the higher layer inter-domain purpose for NSI, its technology agnostic approach - how that works and what that brings, the connection life cycle, basic primitive functions, the service tree and tree/chain processing, scheduled and on-demand, integrated AAI for every interaction, the NSI topology model, and the strategies (such as security and scalability) that helped define how these features were implemented. (This paper should entice readers to learn more - not teach them all the dirty details:-) We should put a section in to describe the GLIF Automated GOLE effort that has deployed NSI and has learned a great deal in doing so - where it functions well, where we had problems, etc. The point of this section is to show that NSI is not simply a chalk board exercise, but is being tested in the field and experience feeding back directly into the protocol and standard. Given that we have some clarity now on version 2.0, we should (IMO) include a brief high level summary of those features and why they are important in the "futures" section. I would also include the drive in the working groups towards a common topology model (i.e. NML), ongoing work on a common topology distribution process, work going on in GLIF to find a comprehensive NSI conformant performance verification model, etc ... (Jeroen and I will be presenting a paper on topology issues, so we don't need a lot of detail on this topic here - just enough to show that NSI sees a broader picture than simply the CS provisioning protocol.) I don't know where is best, but it would be useful also to indicate which organizations have expressed a commitment to deploying NSI based services in their networks. Certainly some have committed to doing so, and other have gone a step further with estimated deployment timelines... Presenting this commitment is an important aspect to campus or regional CIOs etc that are wondering about future directions. Finally, I think it is important (especially to the "suits" attending TNC) to emphasize the Open international process for the NSI work and the community consensus building that this engenders - resulting in broader adoption -> which is critical for global functionality in an inter-domain services world. (We are not just addressing networking organizations, but increasingly IT organizations...) ...just some ideas... Jerry On 3/23/12 7:34 AM, Radek Krzywania wrote: Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04 Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place. Best regards Radek ________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ nsi-wg mailing list nsi-wg@ogf.org https://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/nsi-wg
Yes I concur. Which sections would you like me to work on? J On 3/23/12 11:00 AM, Radek Krzywania wrote:
Hi Jerry,
Regarding high-level paper I agree, yet the protocol life cycle is quite important in NSI context. I would not go into too much details, that’s why I proposed to do so as an example on success scenario (so we can skip some states or more complex transitions). I support GLIF Automated GOLE efforts to be included. We can put it into demo and lessons learned sections, unless you prefer to make separate section for deployment (well, demos were deployments of prototypes, that’s why I would put it there).
Showing community support is as well good idea. I am not sure, but maybe future work is the right place to put it. What do you think?
Best regards
Radek
________________________________________________________________________
Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development
Poznan Supercomputing and
radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl <mailto:radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl> Networking Center
+48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl
________________________________________________________________________
*From:*Jerry Sobieski [mailto:jerry@nordu.net] *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2012 1:32 PM *To:* radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl *Cc:* nsi-wg@ogf.org *Subject:* Re: [Nsi-wg] Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference
Hi Radek- I am willing to help on this... Some thoughts:
In the "current" section (v1.*)... I would suggest this be a relatively high level paper - not getting into the specifics of WSDLs or state machines (too much detail)- but keeping to the higher layer inter-domain purpose for NSI, its technology agnostic approach - how that works and what that brings, the connection life cycle, basic primitive functions, the service tree and tree/chain processing, scheduled and on-demand, integrated AAI for every interaction, the NSI topology model, and the strategies (such as security and scalability) that helped define how these features were implemented. (This paper should entice readers to learn more - not teach them all the dirty details:-)
We should put a section in to describe the GLIF Automated GOLE effort that has deployed NSI and has learned a great deal in doing so - where it functions well, where we had problems, etc. The point of this section is to show that NSI is not simply a chalk board exercise, but is being tested in the field and experience feeding back directly into the protocol and standard.
Given that we have some clarity now on version 2.0, we should (IMO) include a brief high level summary of those features and why they are important in the "futures" section. I would also include the drive in the working groups towards a common topology model (i.e. NML), ongoing work on a common topology distribution process, work going on in GLIF to find a comprehensive NSI conformant performance verification model, etc ... (Jeroen and I will be presenting a paper on topology issues, so we don't need a lot of detail on this topic here - just enough to show that NSI sees a broader picture than simply the CS provisioning protocol.)
I don't know where is best, but it would be useful also to indicate which organizations have expressed a commitment to deploying NSI based services in their networks. Certainly some have committed to doing so, and other have gone a step further with estimated deployment timelines... Presenting this commitment is an important aspect to campus or regional CIOs etc that are wondering about future directions.
Finally, I think it is important (especially to the "suits" attending TNC) to emphasize the Open international process for the NSI work and the community consensus building that this engenders - resulting in broader adoption -> which is critical for global functionality in an inter-domain services world. (We are not just addressing networking organizations, but increasingly IT organizations...)
...just some ideas... Jerry
On 3/23/12 7:34 AM, Radek Krzywania wrote:
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl <mailto:radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl> Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________
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Hi Radek, all, I can provide part of the context/motivation for the introduction (i.e. UCLP/Argia, the FP6 Phosphorus project, etc.) -do you plan to include it?- and perform a proof-reading. Best regards, -- Joan A. García-Espín http://dana.i2cat.net El 23/03/2012, a las 12:34, Radek Krzywania escribió:
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________
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Hi,
Yes, giving a context for NSI would be extremely useful. Thanks Joan.
Best regards
Radek
________________________________________________________________________
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joan A. Garcia-Espin [mailto:joan.antoni.garcia@i2cat.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:33 PM
> To: radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl
> Cc: nsi-wg@ogf.org
> Subject: Re: [Nsi-wg] Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference
>
> Hi Radek, all,
>
> I can provide part of the context/motivation for the introduction (i.e.
> UCLP/Argia, the FP6 Phosphorus project, etc.) -do you plan to include it?- and
> perform a proof-reading.
>
> Best regards,
> --
> Joan A. García-Espín
> http://dana.i2cat.net
>
>
>
> El 23/03/2012, a las 12:34, Radek Krzywania escribió:
>
> > Dear all,
> > The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much
> time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this
> article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema:
> > - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP
> > - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please
> update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline
> - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call)
> > - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest -
> Thu 28.03
> > - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04
> > - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04
> > - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
> >
> > Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions
> and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge
> to place docs in one place.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Radek
> >
> >
> ____________________________________________________________
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> > Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development
> > Poznan Supercomputing and
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Dear all, On 23.03.2012, at 15:32, Joan A. Garcia-Espin wrote:
I can provide part of the context/motivation for the introduction (i.e. UCLP/Argia, the FP6 Phosphorus project, etc.) -do you plan to include it?- and perform a proof-reading.
I would like to offer my help in this context too, since the basic NSI design was somehow influenced by our FP6 Phosphorus developments (Harmony) that were strongly influenced by our initial BMBF Viola developments (ARGON). Best regards, Alex -- net.cs.uni-bonn.de/willner av.tu-berlin.de/willner On 23.03.2012, at 15:32, Joan A. Garcia-Espin wrote:
Hi Radek, all,
I can provide part of the context/motivation for the introduction (i.e. UCLP/Argia, the FP6 Phosphorus project, etc.) -do you plan to include it?- and perform a proof-reading.
Best regards, -- Joan A. García-Espín http://dana.i2cat.net
El 23/03/2012, a las 12:34, Radek Krzywania escribió:
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
Hi Radek, all, I am happy to contribute on the state machine part. Attached is a part of a document I used at SC11 AIST booth (made with Chin's help), which is based on ADVNET paper (by me, Guy and Inder. not a peer reviewed article). If some part will help, please feel free to use. Tomohiro 2012/3/23 Radek Krzywania <radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl>:
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________
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Hi all, If you guys think it is appropriate, I can write up, as part of the intro/problem statement, some science (e.g. HEP, Climate, Fusion) examples to frame how a dynamic circuit sevice would fit into their workflow. - Chin On 3/23/12 4:34 AM, Radek Krzywania wrote:
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________
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Some examples would be useful I think. The Evlbi example of dynamically reconfigurable application is always an eye-opener. (just my .02 USD) J On 3/23/12 11:28 AM, Chin Guok wrote:
Hi all,
If you guys think it is appropriate, I can write up, as part of the intro/problem statement, some science (e.g. HEP, Climate, Fusion) examples to frame how a dynamic circuit sevice would fit into their workflow.
- Chin
On 3/23/12 4:34 AM, Radek Krzywania wrote:
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________
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Hi folks, On 03/23/2012 04:37 PM, Jerry Sobieski wrote:
Some examples would be useful I think. The Evlbi example of dynamically reconfigurable application is always an eye-opener.
We can contribute some text on that if you want, or on our client application and recent tests. This friday we used our NSI client to set up a 4Gb/s path from Stockholm via NORDUnet's OpenNSA, then via Amsterdam (Netherlight, OpenDRAC) to JIVE. This was done by 'manual' pathfinding and connecting to both NSAs (tree model, so to say). Regards, Paul Boven. -- Paul Boven <boven@jive.nl> +31 (0)521-596547 Unix/Linux/Networking specialist Joint Institute for VLBI in Europe - www.jive.nl VLBI - It's a fringe science
Congratulations Paul. Glad to hear of this success. J On 3/26/12 5:30 AM, Paul Boven wrote:
Hi folks,
On 03/23/2012 04:37 PM, Jerry Sobieski wrote:
Some examples would be useful I think. The Evlbi example of dynamically reconfigurable application is always an eye-opener.
We can contribute some text on that if you want, or on our client application and recent tests.
This friday we used our NSI client to set up a 4Gb/s path from Stockholm via NORDUnet's OpenNSA, then via Amsterdam (Netherlight, OpenDRAC) to JIVE. This was done by 'manual' pathfinding and connecting to both NSAs (tree model, so to say).
Regards, Paul Boven.
Hello: I can contribute text on the science drivers for dynamic provisioning, on some of the architectural concepts, and relationship of this activity to related activities, e.g., GENI. Thanks ________________________________ From: nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] on behalf of Jerry Sobieski [jerry@nordu.net] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 4:34 AM To: Paul Boven Cc: nsi-wg@ogf.org Subject: Re: [Nsi-wg] Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference Congratulations Paul. Glad to hear of this success. J On 3/26/12 5:30 AM, Paul Boven wrote:
Hi folks,
On 03/23/2012 04:37 PM, Jerry Sobieski wrote:
Some examples would be useful I think. The Evlbi example of dynamically reconfigurable application is always an eye-opener.
We can contribute some text on that if you want, or on our client application and recent tests.
This friday we used our NSI client to set up a 4Gb/s path from Stockholm via NORDUnet's OpenNSA, then via Amsterdam (Netherlight, OpenDRAC) to JIVE. This was done by 'manual' pathfinding and connecting to both NSAs (tree model, so to say).
Regards, Paul Boven.
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On 26/03/12 11.30, Paul Boven wrote:
This friday we used our NSI client to set up a 4Gb/s path from Stockholm via NORDUnet's OpenNSA, then via Amsterdam (Netherlight, OpenDRAC) to JIVE. This was done by 'manual' pathfinding and connecting to both NSAs (tree model, so to say).
Paul, great news! Congratulations! /Lars -- Lars Fischer <lars@nordu.net>, @lpfischer Chief Technology Officer, NORDUnet (http://www.nordu.net) mobile: +45 2288 1729, office: +45 3246 2500, skype: lpfischer
Radek I can contribute to the framework. Inder Radek Krzywania wrote:
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
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Dear all, I couldn’t manage to join recent VC due to some unexpected reasons. Anyway thanks a lot for contributions offers. According to your preferences I propose the following assignments: Chapter 1 - Problem statement - I will write a few words of introduction. - Chin Guok, Joe Membretti - explain demand for dynamic provisioning, contribute to state of the art - Joan Antoni Garcia-Espin - state of the art (UCLP/Argia, Phosphorus-HARMONY) - Alex Willner - state of the art (Phosphorus-HARMONY , ARGON) Chapter 2 - Network Service Interface Chapter 2.1 NSI architecture - Inder Monga - please describe overall architecture of the NSI, explain the framework concept, CS, etc. Chapter 2.2 Messaging schema and primitives - John MacAuley - please describe messages and primitives. Focus on the most important ones, ignore WSDL details and some more complex issues. Chapter 2.3 Reservation state diagram and examples - Tomohiro Kudoh - current state machine is quite heavy to put all descriptions there IMHO, as we have limited space. I propose then to create an example of successful reservation (e.g. a demo one or pure abstract one) and show how states are transited and why. Chapter 3 Demonstrations and lessons learned - Jerry Sobieski, Jeroen van der Ham - highlight the most important demonstrations, show topologies, explain differences. Show the progress we made and what we learned out of it. Show how community react, how we get new interested parties and users. - John MacAuley - please help on the above if possible, i.e. on messaging changes during demos :) Chapter 4 Future work - Jerry Sobieski, Jeroen van der Ham - show new requirements we get for NSI CS (security, topologies, etc.). How do we plan to interact with users, where NSI is going to be deployed. Scratch some kind of roadmap and show partners interested in deploying NSI. Please let me know if the above is fine for you. I will try to put everything together and contribute in multiple places if possible. I will however need a native speaker volunteer to get through all afterwards before submission. Anyone? Best regards Radek ________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Radek Krzywania Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 12:34 PM To: nsi-wg@ogf.org Subject: [Nsi-wg] Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
____________________________________________________________ ____________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl ____________________________________________________________ ____________
Hello: Two missing sections are: Related work (always important to have) Summary
volunteer to get through all afterwards
Perhaps this can be more than one person. I can certainly do an editorial pass or two Thanks ________________________________ From: nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] on behalf of Radek Krzywania [radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:25 AM To: nsi-wg@ogf.org Subject: Re: [Nsi-wg] Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference Dear all, I couldn’t manage to join recent VC due to some unexpected reasons. Anyway thanks a lot for contributions offers. According to your preferences I propose the following assignments: Chapter 1 - Problem statement - I will write a few words of introduction. - Chin Guok, Joe Membretti - explain demand for dynamic provisioning, contribute to state of the art - Joan Antoni Garcia-Espin - state of the art (UCLP/Argia, Phosphorus-HARMONY) - Alex Willner - state of the art (Phosphorus-HARMONY , ARGON) Chapter 2 - Network Service Interface Chapter 2.1 NSI architecture - Inder Monga - please describe overall architecture of the NSI, explain the framework concept, CS, etc. Chapter 2.2 Messaging schema and primitives - John MacAuley - please describe messages and primitives. Focus on the most important ones, ignore WSDL details and some more complex issues. Chapter 2.3 Reservation state diagram and examples - Tomohiro Kudoh - current state machine is quite heavy to put all descriptions there IMHO, as we have limited space. I propose then to create an example of successful reservation (e.g. a demo one or pure abstract one) and show how states are transited and why. Chapter 3 Demonstrations and lessons learned - Jerry Sobieski, Jeroen van der Ham - highlight the most important demonstrations, show topologies, explain differences. Show the progress we made and what we learned out of it. Show how community react, how we get new interested parties and users. - John MacAuley - please help on the above if possible, i.e. on messaging changes during demos :) Chapter 4 Future work - Jerry Sobieski, Jeroen van der Ham - show new requirements we get for NSI CS (security, topologies, etc.). How do we plan to interact with users, where NSI is going to be deployed. Scratch some kind of roadmap and show partners interested in deploying NSI. Please let me know if the above is fine for you. I will try to put everything together and contribute in multiple places if possible. I will however need a native speaker volunteer to get through all afterwards before submission. Anyone? Best regards Radek ________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl<http://www.man.poznan.pl/> ________________________________________________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Radek Krzywania Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 12:34 PM To: nsi-wg@ogf.org Subject: [Nsi-wg] Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
____________________________________________________________ ____________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl<http://www.man.poznan.pl/> ____________________________________________________________ ____________
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Hi I was thinking on related work as state of the art in the Problem statement section. For the summary, yes it’s missing. I would propose to merge it with future work, so “Summary and Future work”. Best regards Radek ________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and <mailto:radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl> radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 <http://www.man.poznan.pl> http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________ From: Joe J Mambretti [mailto:j-mambretti@northwestern.edu] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 3:37 PM To: radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl; nsi-wg@ogf.org Subject: RE: [Nsi-wg] Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference Hello: Two missing sections are: Related work (always important to have) Summary
volunteer to get through all afterwards
Perhaps this can be more than one person. I can certainly do an editorial pass or two Thanks _____ From: nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] on behalf of Radek Krzywania [radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:25 AM To: nsi-wg@ogf.org Subject: Re: [Nsi-wg] Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference Dear all, I couldn’t manage to join recent VC due to some unexpected reasons. Anyway thanks a lot for contributions offers. According to your preferences I propose the following assignments: Chapter 1 - Problem statement - I will write a few words of introduction. - Chin Guok, Joe Membretti - explain demand for dynamic provisioning, contribute to state of the art - Joan Antoni Garcia-Espin - state of the art (UCLP/Argia, Phosphorus-HARMONY) - Alex Willner - state of the art (Phosphorus-HARMONY , ARGON) Chapter 2 - Network Service Interface Chapter 2.1 NSI architecture - Inder Monga - please describe overall architecture of the NSI, explain the framework concept, CS, etc. Chapter 2.2 Messaging schema and primitives - John MacAuley - please describe messages and primitives. Focus on the most important ones, ignore WSDL details and some more complex issues. Chapter 2.3 Reservation state diagram and examples - Tomohiro Kudoh - current state machine is quite heavy to put all descriptions there IMHO, as we have limited space. I propose then to create an example of successful reservation (e.g. a demo one or pure abstract one) and show how states are transited and why. Chapter 3 Demonstrations and lessons learned - Jerry Sobieski, Jeroen van der Ham - highlight the most important demonstrations, show topologies, explain differences. Show the progress we made and what we learned out of it. Show how community react, how we get new interested parties and users. - John MacAuley - please help on the above if possible, i.e. on messaging changes during demos :) Chapter 4 Future work - Jerry Sobieski, Jeroen van der Ham - show new requirements we get for NSI CS (security, topologies, etc.). How do we plan to interact with users, where NSI is going to be deployed. Scratch some kind of roadmap and show partners interested in deploying NSI. Please let me know if the above is fine for you. I will try to put everything together and contribute in multiple places if possible. I will however need a native speaker volunteer to get through all afterwards before submission. Anyone? Best regards Radek ________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl <http://www.man.poznan.pl/> ________________________________________________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Radek Krzywania Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 12:34 PM To: nsi-wg@ogf.org Subject: [Nsi-wg] Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
____________________________________________________________ ____________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl <http://www.man.poznan.pl/> ____________________________________________________________ ____________
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Hi Radek, Just for clarification: - What is the page limit for the article? - When is it due? Jeroen. On 30 Mar 2012, at 15:25, Radek Krzywania wrote:
Dear all, I couldn’t manage to join recent VC due to some unexpected reasons. Anyway thanks a lot for contributions offers. According to your preferences I propose the following assignments: Chapter 1 - Problem statement - I will write a few words of introduction. - Chin Guok, Joe Membretti - explain demand for dynamic provisioning, contribute to state of the art - Joan Antoni Garcia-Espin - state of the art (UCLP/Argia, Phosphorus-HARMONY) - Alex Willner - state of the art (Phosphorus-HARMONY , ARGON) Chapter 2 - Network Service Interface Chapter 2.1 NSI architecture - Inder Monga - please describe overall architecture of the NSI, explain the framework concept, CS, etc. Chapter 2.2 Messaging schema and primitives - John MacAuley - please describe messages and primitives. Focus on the most important ones, ignore WSDL details and some more complex issues. Chapter 2.3 Reservation state diagram and examples - Tomohiro Kudoh - current state machine is quite heavy to put all descriptions there IMHO, as we have limited space. I propose then to create an example of successful reservation (e.g. a demo one or pure abstract one) and show how states are transited and why. Chapter 3 Demonstrations and lessons learned - Jerry Sobieski, Jeroen van der Ham - highlight the most important demonstrations, show topologies, explain differences. Show the progress we made and what we learned out of it. Show how community react, how we get new interested parties and users. - John MacAuley - please help on the above if possible, i.e. on messaging changes during demos :) Chapter 4 Future work - Jerry Sobieski, Jeroen van der Ham - show new requirements we get for NSI CS (security, topologies, etc.). How do we plan to interact with users, where NSI is going to be deployed. Scratch some kind of roadmap and show partners interested in deploying NSI.
Please let me know if the above is fine for you. I will try to put everything together and contribute in multiple places if possible. I will however need a native speaker volunteer to get through all afterwards before submission. Anyone?
Best regards Radek
________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Radek Krzywania Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 12:34 PM To: nsi-wg@ogf.org Subject: [Nsi-wg] Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest - Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
____________________________________________________________ ____________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl ____________________________________________________________ ____________
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Hi, Just a moment ago I get a feedback from TNC that the paper should be max 15-18 pages long. The deadline is 16th Apr. Best regards Radek ________________________________________________________________________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl ________________________________________________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: Jeroen van der Ham [mailto:vdham@uva.nl] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 11:31 AM To: radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Cc: nsi-wg@ogf.org Subject: Re: [Nsi-wg] Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference
Hi Radek,
Just for clarification: - What is the page limit for the article? - When is it due?
Jeroen.
On 30 Mar 2012, at 15:25, Radek Krzywania wrote:
Dear all, I couldn’t manage to join recent VC due to some unexpected reasons. Anyway thanks a lot for contributions offers. According to your preferences I propose the following assignments: Chapter 1 - Problem statement - I will write a few words of introduction. - Chin Guok, Joe Membretti - explain demand for dynamic provisioning, contribute to state of the art - Joan Antoni Garcia-Espin - state of the art (UCLP/Argia, Phosphorus- HARMONY) - Alex Willner - state of the art (Phosphorus-HARMONY , ARGON) Chapter 2 - Network Service Interface Chapter 2.1 NSI architecture - Inder Monga - please describe overall architecture of the NSI, explain the framework concept, CS, etc. Chapter 2.2 Messaging schema and primitives - John MacAuley - please describe messages and primitives. Focus on the most important ones, ignore WSDL details and some more complex issues. Chapter 2.3 Reservation state diagram and examples - Tomohiro Kudoh - current state machine is quite heavy to put all descriptions there IMHO, as we have limited space. I propose then to create an example of successful reservation (e.g. a demo one or pure abstract one) and show how states are transited and why. Chapter 3 Demonstrations and lessons learned - Jerry Sobieski, Jeroen van der Ham - highlight the most important demonstrations, show topologies, explain differences. Show the progress we made and what we learned out of it. Show how community react, how we get new interested parties and users. - John MacAuley - please help on the above if possible, i.e. on messaging changes during demos :) Chapter 4 Future work - Jerry Sobieski, Jeroen van der Ham - show new requirements we get for NSI CS (security, topologies, etc.). How do we plan to interact with users, where NSI is going to be deployed. Scratch some kind of roadmap and show partners interested in deploying NSI.
Please let me know if the above is fine for you. I will try to put everything together and contribute in multiple places if possible. I will however need a native speaker volunteer to get through all afterwards before submission. Anyone?
Best regards Radek
____________________________________________________________ ____________
Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl
____________________________________________________________ ____________
-----Original Message----- From: nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On
Of Radek Krzywania Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 12:34 PM To: nsi-wg@ogf.org Subject: [Nsi-wg] Full paper on NSI for TNC12 conference
Dear all, The deadline for TNC12 full paper is 16 April, so we don't have too much time (as usual). In the attachment I've placed a drafted template for this article, based on TERENA template. I would like to follow below schema: - ask yourself if you want to contribute to the paper :) - deadline ASAP - Browse attached ToC and see what and where you can contribute, please update ToC if you feel there is something missing and you may fill it - deadline - Wed 28.03 (we can finalize that via email on during NSI call) - People will be assigned to particular sections based on expressed interest
Behalf -
Thu 28.03 - Drafted contributions delivered - Fri 06.04 - Finalization on the paper - by Fri 13.04 - Paper submission - Mon 16.04
Comments are more than welcome. I'll take care of merging contributions and take care of formatting and versioning. I suppose we could use NSI forge to place docs in one place.
Best regards Radek
____________ Radoslaw Krzywania Network Research and Development Poznan Supercomputing and radek.krzywania@man.poznan.pl Networking Center +48 61 850 25 26 http://www.man.poznan.pl
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participants (11)
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Chin Guok -
Inder Monga -
Jeroen van der Ham -
Jerry Sobieski -
Joan A. Garcia-Espin -
Joe J Mambretti -
Lars Fischer -
Paul Boven -
Radek Krzywania -
Tomohiro Kudoh -
Willner Alexander