Re: [Nsi-wg] Wednesday's NSI conf call
Jens, The NSI working group has decided that we would like to take time out to concentrate on NSI implementations and learn from these. There is no appetite among our working group members for a big push to a version 3 NSI at this time. We may pick this up again if some clear needs arise out of our implementation experience. Guy -----Original Message----- From: Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) [mailto:jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk] Sent: 23 March 2016 14:54 To: Guy Roberts; Jerry Sobieski; nsi-wg@ogf.org Subject: Re: [Nsi-wg] Wednesday's NSI conf call Hi Guy, Thanks for that. It seems a shame to wind the group down as there seems (to me) to be so much to do. With IoT and "fog computing" (oh dear) networking is going to increase in importance over the coming years, one would have thunk. Also the big questions like the "Science DMZ" Anyway in the first instance I will liaise with Jerry to connect him - plus everyone else who is interested, of course - to the BEACON folks and we can then see what they think. Regards --jens On 23/03/2016 14:41, Guy Roberts wrote:
Hello Jens,
Thanks for the heads-up on this.
We discussed this in the NSI working group meeting today and the conclusion is that NSI is in wind-down phase at the moment. The two remaining draft documents we are wrapping up now are the NSI CS 2.1 and the NSI topology.
The Beacon project seems to fit better with Jerry’s GTS work as this is focused on the virtualization of more than just connectivity resources. As Jerry says, the GTS virtualizes circuits, compute nodes, switching etc. The circuit part is done using NSI.
So I would encourage the Beacon people to talk to Jerry.
Regards,
Guy
*From:*nsi-wg [mailto:nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Sobieski *Sent:* 22 March 2016 14:24 *To:* Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC); nsi-wg@ogf.org *Subject:* Re: [Nsi-wg] Wednesday's NSI conf call
Hi Jens-
You may also be interested in the GEANT Testbeds Service. services.geant.net/gts <services.geant.net/gts> While it says "testbeds" - that is probably a misnomer... it provides production virtual environments with circuits, compute nodes, switching, etc. across the wide area GEANT footprint. (Some people just use these virtual networks as "testbeds".)
And GTS uses NSI underneath for its circuit provisioning.
Ping me if you want more info... Best regards Jerry jerry.sobieski @ skype
On 3/22/16 10:00 AM, Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) wrote:
Hi Guy, all,
During the CloudScape meeting a week or so ago in Brussels I had a chat
with Philippe Massonet from CETIC and Massimo Villari from the
University of Messina. They both work (together...) on a project called
BEACON (http://www.beacon-project.eu/) and I thought some of what they
were talking about was similar to your work on network agents.
I would like to organise a call with you (NSI) and them (BEACON), some
time in the second half of April.
For example, they might be persuaded to build on your work or maybe
contribute to NSI.
If you could have a chat about this tomorrow as well and let me know
your thoughts, that'd be grand.
Thanks
--jens
On 22/03/2016 13:28, Guy Roberts wrote:
The following is dial-in information for Wednesday's NSI call, time:
7:00 PDT 10:00 ET, 14:00 GMT, 15:00 CET, 23:00 JST (note time change)
1. Dial Toll-Free Number: 866-740-1260 (U.S. & Canada) 2.
International participants dial: Toll Number: 303-248-0285 Or
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7-digit access code 8937606, followed by "#"
Agenda:
- Review NSI document progress:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IWCltcKtNfh4Z532iGsJgCWygornkx 2bH06d2ZFroYU/edit
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Hi Guy and Jens- While I might agree that the a "simmer" period is warranted to implement and deploy these NSI based services, I would strongly recommend against shutting down the WG. I think there are some important topics the protocol discussions need to take over the next year. One obvious topic being the multipoint services. Another would be a symetric protocol implementation that can more easily support unsolicited messaging between NSAs. Asymetric connections. And I know there are other issues to be revisited or proposed. And this leads us into another interesting proposition: If NSI is indeed a general provisioning protocol - it builds Connection objects now as technology agnostic service definitions - why could we not extend it to do other types of service definitions?... say a Switching Point service object that could provide a means of doing technology agnostic mp services? Or even a Compute Node object that could offer yet a different type of services. These all interlock using Service Termination Points. I think this is entirely feasible - and I could offer the GTS API an example of working code. GTS uses NSI, and NSI does some important heavy lifting for GTS. But the GTS API and the NSI API are almost exactly the same (!) The NSI protocol could be extended to support these additonal types of service objects quite easily IMO. We are so(!) close with both NSI and GTS...it would be a shame to not at least look at the prospect. I apologize for not being more active in the NSI-WG recently, but I would like to request an opportunity to present this NSI+GTS prospect to the WG before we go into simmer mode... Could we do this? Thanks Jerry On 3/23/16 11:09 AM, Guy Roberts wrote:
Jens,
The NSI working group has decided that we would like to take time out to concentrate on NSI implementations and learn from these.
There is no appetite among our working group members for a big push to a version 3 NSI at this time. We may pick this up again if some clear needs arise out of our implementation experience.
Guy
-----Original Message----- From: Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) [mailto:jens.jensen@stfc.ac.uk] Sent: 23 March 2016 14:54 To: Guy Roberts; Jerry Sobieski; nsi-wg@ogf.org Subject: Re: [Nsi-wg] Wednesday's NSI conf call
Hi Guy,
Thanks for that. It seems a shame to wind the group down as there seems (to me) to be so much to do. With IoT and "fog computing" (oh dear) networking is going to increase in importance over the coming years, one would have thunk. Also the big questions like the "Science DMZ"
Anyway in the first instance I will liaise with Jerry to connect him - plus everyone else who is interested, of course - to the BEACON folks and we can then see what they think.
Regards --jens
On 23/03/2016 14:41, Guy Roberts wrote:
Hello Jens,
Thanks for the heads-up on this.
We discussed this in the NSI working group meeting today and the conclusion is that NSI is in wind-down phase at the moment. The two remaining draft documents we are wrapping up now are the NSI CS 2.1 and the NSI topology.
The Beacon project seems to fit better with Jerry’s GTS work as this is focused on the virtualization of more than just connectivity resources. As Jerry says, the GTS virtualizes circuits, compute nodes, switching etc. The circuit part is done using NSI.
So I would encourage the Beacon people to talk to Jerry.
Regards,
Guy
*From:*nsi-wg [mailto:nsi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Sobieski *Sent:* 22 March 2016 14:24 *To:* Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC); nsi-wg@ogf.org *Subject:* Re: [Nsi-wg] Wednesday's NSI conf call
Hi Jens-
You may also be interested in the GEANT Testbeds Service. services.geant.net/gts <services.geant.net/gts> While it says "testbeds" - that is probably a misnomer... it provides production virtual environments with circuits, compute nodes, switching, etc. across the wide area GEANT footprint. (Some people just use these virtual networks as "testbeds".)
And GTS uses NSI underneath for its circuit provisioning.
Ping me if you want more info... Best regards Jerry jerry.sobieski @ skype
On 3/22/16 10:00 AM, Jensen, Jens (STFC,RAL,SC) wrote:
Hi Guy, all,
During the CloudScape meeting a week or so ago in Brussels I had a chat
with Philippe Massonet from CETIC and Massimo Villari from the
University of Messina. They both work (together...) on a project called
BEACON (http://www.beacon-project.eu/) and I thought some of what they
were talking about was similar to your work on network agents.
I would like to organise a call with you (NSI) and them (BEACON), some
time in the second half of April.
For example, they might be persuaded to build on your work or maybe
contribute to NSI.
If you could have a chat about this tomorrow as well and let me know
your thoughts, that'd be grand.
Thanks
--jens
On 22/03/2016 13:28, Guy Roberts wrote:
The following is dial-in information for Wednesday's NSI call, time:
7:00 PDT 10:00 ET, 14:00 GMT, 15:00 CET, 23:00 JST (note time change)
1. Dial Toll-Free Number: 866-740-1260 (U.S. & Canada) 2.
International participants dial: Toll Number: 303-248-0285 Or
International Toll-Free Number: http://www.readytalk.com/intl 3. Enter
7-digit access code 8937606, followed by "#"
Agenda:
- Review NSI document progress:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IWCltcKtNfh4Z532iGsJgCWygornkx 2bH06d2ZFroYU/edit
* *
* *
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*Senior Transport Network Architect*
Tel: +44 (0)1223 371316
Mob: +44 (0)7881 336417
Skype: guy1965
*GÉANT*
Networks • Services • People
Learn more at www.geant.org <http://www.geant.org%E2%80%8B> <http://www.geant.org/> <http://www.geant.org/>
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