notes/minutes from 1/31/05 teleconference
They are attached. Next call will be on Feb. 7 at the same time as this week. Thanks everyone for dialing in. --- Jim Attendees --------- Kate Keahey Toshiyuki Nakata Jim Pruyne Wolfgang Zeigler Heiko Ludwig Asit Dan Alain Andrieux Art Sedighi Agenda ------ Toshi reminds us about working with EMS GGF session requested by Wolfgang and will try to match Toshi's schedule Working through the comments: Changing Offers: p. 51 and p. 34 are contradictory about whether the text of the offered agreement and the final agreement must be equivalent. One implies that alternatives will be removed. Do we ultimately think that alternatives are a good idea at this point (i.e. without negotiation) at all. Toshi to (re-)post introduction to this discussion. Jim to summarize. Further discussion to take place via the tracker. Jim to send out instructions on how to set that up. Discussion on mailing list on criteria for accepting or rejecting comments, and classes of responses. Heiko to initiate. Discussion on comment by Takuya is discussed on mailing list on Nov. 30 for people to look back at prior to next week's discussion.
Dear GRAAP members, now, as we started discussing incoming comments, it would be helpful to have decision-making criteria to streamline discussion. Here is an initial laundry list to start the discussion: - Intended scope of the specification (Does a proposal limit or extend the scope beyond the previous or current consensus of the group?) - Required effort to change the draft (Do we have to rewrite much?) - Implementability (Can it be implemented, the current state of the draft or the proposed change?) - Does a proposal simplify the specification? - Does a proposal simplify the application and implementation of the specification for its intended purpose? - Does the proposal have impact on current and future work of GRAAP or another group? - Does a proposal increase the consistency of the spec or remove an inconsistency? Probably, we will have to make trade-offs between different desirable properties of a proposal in some cases. Heiko ----- Heiko Ludwig, Dr. rer. pol. IBM TJ Watson Research Center, PO Box 704, Yorktown, NY, 10598 hludwig@us.ibm.com, tel. +1 914 784 7160, mob. +1 646 236 9453 http://www.research.ibm.com/people/h/hludwig/
Hi: In today's telecon, someone mentioned that we need to have an id of the comments to keep track. I've made a simple excel sheet with the entries. I'll post in html in case of viruses. If any one needs them, I can send the original .xls file. Best Regards Toshi -- We have moved to a new Office!! Toshiyuki Nakata ????? Internet System Laboratories NEC t-nakata@cw.jp.nec.com 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60210) Fax +81-44-431-7681 (NEC Internal 22-60219)
Jon has made a number of new entries. So have updated the list. (We now have 19 entries.) Best regards Toshi Toshiyuki Nakata wrote:
Hi: In today's telecon, someone mentioned that we need to have an id of the comments to keep track.
I've made a simple excel sheet with the entries.
I'll post in html in case of viruses. If any one needs them, I can send the original .xls file.
Best Regards Toshi
-- We have moved to a new Office!! Toshiyuki Nakata ????? Internet System Laboratories NEC t-nakata@cw.jp.nec.com 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60210) Fax +81-44-431-7681 (NEC Internal 22-60219)
Had aduplicate entry. Apologies Toshiyuki Nakata wrote:
Jon has made a number of new entries. So have updated the list. (We now have 19 entries.)
18.
Best regards Toshi
Toshiyuki Nakata wrote:
Hi: In today's telecon, someone mentioned that we need to have an id of the comments to keep track.
I've made a simple excel sheet with the entries.
I'll post in html in case of viruses. If any one needs them, I can send the original .xls file.
Best Regards Toshi
-- We have moved to a new Office!! Toshiyuki Nakata ????? Internet System Laboratories NEC t-nakata@cw.jp.nec.com 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60210) Fax +81-44-431-7681 (NEC Internal 22-60219)
Jim Pruyne wrote:
They are attached. Next call will be on Feb. 7 at the same time as this week. Thanks everyone for dialing in.
--- Jim
Thanks for the minutes. |Changing Offers: p. 51 and p. 34 are contradictory about whether the |text of the offered agreement and the final agreement must be |equivalent. One implies that alternatives will be removed. Do we |ultimately think that alternatives are a good idea at this point |(i.e. without negotiation) at all. Toshi to (re-)post introduction to |this discussion. Done. I hope I did it the correct way. I also added a post to Takuya's post so that everyone can know where the relevant material + which part to look for. Best regards Toshi -- We have moved to a new Office!! Toshiyuki Nakata ????? Internet System Laboratories NEC t-nakata@cw.jp.nec.com 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60210) Fax +81-44-431-7681 (NEC Internal 22-60219)
Please note that due to my meddling below, Takuya's comment is on the top of the list but orderwise, that would have been the one to be addressed next. best regards Toshi Toshiyuki Nakata wrote:
I also added a post to Takuya's post so that everyone can know where the relevant material + which part to look for.
Best regards Toshi
-- We have moved to a new Office!! Toshiyuki Nakata ????? Internet System Laboratories NEC t-nakata@cw.jp.nec.com 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60210) Fax +81-44-431-7681 (NEC Internal 22-60219)
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Toshiyuki Nakata