GLUE WG teleconference, Tuesday, July 1, 2014
Greetings GLUE WG, Our next GLUE WG teleconference will be: : Tuesday, July 1, 2014 : 15:30-17:00 Central Europe, 8:30-10:00 AM US Central We will try this teleconference and screen sharing tool: : Web: https://meet.illinois.edu/herrio/V57YV10Q : --> Cancel login dialog, click guest "Sign in here instead", enter name, click "Join the meeting" : Phone: 1-888-983-3631, International 1-217-332-6338 or 1-312-994-8410 : Conference ID: 6759150 As a fall back we also have: : Web: https://webconf.vc.dfn.de/ogf-glue-wg/ (Adobe Connect) : Login as Guest using your real name Meeting materials folder: : http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf/glue-wg?folder_id=6588 Proposed agenda: 1) LDAP rendering: assess final wg comments and votes and perhaps forward for public comment Previous:
Action 1: Florido will coordinate with Maria to confirm that all the recommended testing was completed Action 2: Once testing is complete, Florido will share a schema document without the release candidate lable Action 3: JP/Shiraz will merge schema into rendering document, e-mail list to vote and approve document for release to public comment Discuss status.
2) Enumerations: approve enumerations process document Previous:
We noted that this is a GLUE WG working document, and not a spec per-se, so we will be able change it and approve changes by simple agreement. Action 1: Florido will accept changes and send the document to the list Action 2: Shiraz/JP will create new versioned wiki pages to contain the material, 1.0 for current document that we will vote on, and 1.1 for the next version http://redmine.ogf.org/projects/glue-wg/wiki/Enumerations_procedures_and_bes... http://redmine.ogf.org/projects/glue-wg/wiki/Enumerations_procedures_and_bes... Action 3: Florido will transfer content to new wiki pages, and notify Shiraz/JP Action 4: Shiraz/JP will announce to the list that this is an official WG process document Action 5: Florido will share Maria's enumeration request and associated discussion with the GLUE WG list All action items are DONE. Discuss next steps, if any.
3) Cloud Extensions: compare benefits and disadvantages of both approaches Previous:
Action 1: Shiraz/JP ask Andre and OGF steering committee for ideas on resolving two approaches supported by 1 community each
Discuss status. 4) JSON: continue rendering discussions, discuss next steps. Previous:
Representing association, a to b, b to a, or both? Option 1: schema allows both directions, rendering document identifies directionality rules that should be followed Option 2: schema requires both directions Option 3: schema requires one direction which we consider to be the best, and in few cases may require both directions (applying should rules in rendering document) Option 4: schema requires one direction which we consider to be the best, the other direction is optional We want to discuss this with David on the call. Stephen pointed out that optional relations are ambiguous: if missing is there no relation or is it a missing relation? If David is available we can continue this discussion.
5) Future meetings OGF 41 sessions July 16 or 17 July 29? OGF 42 September 8-12 in London, http://autonomic-conference.org/ Regards, JP and Shiraz
Navarro, John-Paul F. [mailto:navarro@mcs.anl.gov] said:
Our next GLUE WG teleconference will be: : Tuesday, July 1, 2014 : 15:30-17:00 Central Europe, 8:30-10:00 AM US Central
As I said before I won't be able to join - in fact I'll be in the centre court at Wimbledon, and I doubt they'd let me join a videoconference! Anyway unless I've missed it the new draft of the LDAP document hasn't been circulated yet? Stephen -- Scanned by iCritical.
Hi all, I am out of office and my bike has a flat tyre. I am not sure I will make it before 16:00 CEST. Regarding the document, I also didn't see any newer version, and regarding the schema I didn't get any feedback from Paul for Storage. Maria seemed positive so far, and for me is enough to approve the new schema and change the rc into final so to embed it into the document. Cheers and sorry, Florido On 30 June 2014 23:09:07 CEST, stephen.burke@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
Navarro, John-Paul F. [mailto:navarro@mcs.anl.gov] said:
Our next GLUE WG teleconference will be: : Tuesday, July 1, 2014 : 15:30-17:00 Central Europe, 8:30-10:00 AM US Central
As I said before I won't be able to join - in fact I'll be in the centre court at Wimbledon, and I doubt they'd let me join a videoconference! Anyway unless I've missed it the new draft of the LDAP document hasn't been circulated yet?
Stephen
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Present: Florido, Salvatore, Warren, Shiraz, JP Meeting folder: http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf/glue-wg?folder_id=6588 > Agenda/minutes: > > 1) LDAP rendering: assess final wg comments and votes and perhaps forward for public comment > Previous: >> Action 1: Florido will coordinate with Maria to confirm that all the recommended testing was completed >> Action 2: Once testing is complete, Florido will share a schema document without the release candidate lable >> Action 3: JP/Shiraz will merge schema into rendering document, e-mail list to vote and approve document for release to public comment Action 1: Florido will post final schema by tomorrow/Wednesday to meeting folder Action 2: JP/Shiraz will merge schema into rendering document and post proposed public comment document to meeting folder Action 3: JP/Shiraz will call for e-mail list vote to release document for public comment after OGF 41 Action 4: Final vote to release to public comment at OGF 41 including e-mail list votes > 2) Enumerations: approve enumerations process document All action items complete. Keep topic on agenda to discuss requests for new enumerations. > 3) Cloud Extensions: compare benefits and disadvantages of both approaches > Previous: >> Action 1: Shiraz/JP ask Andre and OGF steering committee for ideas on resolving two approaches supported by 1 community each Warren/JP propose XSEDE abstaining in a 2.0 vs 2.1, making GLUE 2.1 the cloud interoperability standard. XSEDE would produce a Community Practice Profile for using GLUE 2.0 to describe Cloud Infrastructures Action 1: Shiraz/JP will find a Community Practice, Profile example for Warren Action 2: Salvatore and Warren will prepare OGF 41 slides presenting advantages and disadvantages if approaches Action 3: Shiraz/JP will ask Andre and Steering Committee for suggestions regarding dilemma > 4) JSON: continue rendering discussions, discuss next steps. > Previous: >> Representing association, a to b, b to a, or both? >> Option 1: schema allows both directions, rendering document identifies directionality rules that should be followed >> Option 2: schema requires both directions >> Option 3: schema requires one direction which we consider to be the best, and in few cases may require both directions (applying should rules in rendering document) >> Option 4: schema requires one direction which we consider to be the best, the other direction is optional >> We want to discuss this with David on the call. >> Stephen pointed out that optional relations are ambiguous: if missing is there no relation or is it a missing relation? Action 1: Warren e-mail David directly about how to represent associations. > 5) Future meetings > OGF 41 sessions July 16 or 17 - One session each day at 10:30 slot for 90 minutes (total 2 sessions) - Topics: LDAP, Enumerations, Cloud, JSON Action 1: Shiraz will send meeting coordinates to e-mail list July 8 at the normal time we will discuss/prepare OGF 41 slides: - Florido and JP will discuss draft Enumeration slides - Others with draft slides to discuss are welcome to attend > July 29? We will decide at OGF 41 is this meeting is needed. > OGF 42 September 8-12 in London, http://autonomic-conference.org/ This would be a good meeting due to European representation to have the 2.1 schema and XSEDE profile drafts ready to discuss and release for public comment. Regards, JP and Shiraz
Florido and others. Unfortunately my assumption was wrong and I'm not available at the usual time on July 8. How about Monday July 7 at the usual time, or Tuesday July 8 one hour earlier (7:30 Central, 14:30 Central Europe)? Sorry, JP On Jul 1, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Navarro, John-Paul F. <navarro@mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
July 8 at the normal time we will discuss/prepare OGF 41 slides: - Florido and JP will discuss draft Enumeration slides - Others with draft slides to discuss are welcome to attend
Hi JP, all On 2014-07-01 18:25, Navarro, John-Paul F. wrote:
Florido and others.
Unfortunately my assumption was wrong and I'm not available at the usual time on July 8.
How about Monday July 7 at the usual time, or Tuesday July 8 one hour earlier (7:30 Central, 14:30 Central Europe)?
They're both fine for me. Little less monday as I might not have time to fix the presentation before that day. But if we decide for that I will manage. Cheers, Florido -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus B, Rum B313 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ==================================================
I may be a few minutes late for our 7:30 US Central, 14:30 Central Europe meeting today. JP On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:40 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se> wrote:
Hi JP, all
On 2014-07-01 18:25, Navarro, John-Paul F. wrote:
Florido and others.
Unfortunately my assumption was wrong and I'm not available at the usual time on July 8.
How about Monday July 7 at the usual time, or Tuesday July 8 one hour earlier (7:30 Central, 14:30 Central Europe)?
They're both fine for me. Little less monday as I might not have time to fix the presentation before that day. But if we decide for that I will manage.
Cheers, Florido
-- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus B, Rum B313 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ================================================== _______________________________________________ glue-wg mailing list glue-wg@ogf.org https://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/glue-wg
I am also little late, connecting in few minutes. Sorry. On 2014-07-08 13:43, Navarro, John-Paul F. wrote:
I may be a few minutes late for our 7:30 US Central, 14:30 Central Europe meeting today.
JP
On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:40 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se> wrote:
Hi JP, all
On 2014-07-01 18:25, Navarro, John-Paul F. wrote:
Florido and others.
Unfortunately my assumption was wrong and I'm not available at the usual time on July 8.
How about Monday July 7 at the usual time, or Tuesday July 8 one hour earlier (7:30 Central, 14:30 Central Europe)?
They're both fine for me. Little less monday as I might not have time to fix the presentation before that day. But if we decide for that I will manage.
Cheers, Florido
-- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus B, Rum B313 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ================================================== _______________________________________________ glue-wg mailing list glue-wg@ogf.org https://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/glue-wg
-- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus B, Rum B313 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ==================================================
Hi all, The changes requested in yesterday's meeting have been applied to the Enumerations presentation. http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf/glue-wg?folder_id=6589 Thank you for participating in the meeting and thanks for all the comments. Good luck with the presentation during the conference, and I hope you'll enjoy the conference itself. Cheers, Florido On 2014-07-08 14:34, Florido Paganelli wrote:
I am also little late, connecting in few minutes. Sorry.
On 2014-07-08 13:43, Navarro, John-Paul F. wrote:
I may be a few minutes late for our 7:30 US Central, 14:30 Central Europe meeting today.
JP
On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:40 AM, Florido Paganelli <florido.paganelli@hep.lu.se> wrote:
Hi JP, all
On 2014-07-01 18:25, Navarro, John-Paul F. wrote:
Florido and others.
Unfortunately my assumption was wrong and I'm not available at the usual time on July 8.
How about Monday July 7 at the usual time, or Tuesday July 8 one hour earlier (7:30 Central, 14:30 Central Europe)?
They're both fine for me. Little less monday as I might not have time to fix the presentation before that day. But if we decide for that I will manage.
Cheers, Florido
-- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus B, Rum B313 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ================================================== _______________________________________________ glue-wg mailing list glue-wg@ogf.org https://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/glue-wg
-- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus B, Rum B313 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ==================================================
Hi all, I sent only to JP my mistake, my apologies. On 2014-07-01 17:33, Navarro, John-Paul F. wrote: > Present: Florido, Salvatore, Warren, Shiraz, JP > > Meeting folder: http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf/glue-wg?folder_id=6588 > >> Agenda/minutes: >> >> 1) LDAP rendering: assess final wg comments and votes and perhaps forward for public comment >> Previous: >>> Action 1: Florido will coordinate with Maria to confirm that all the recommended testing was completed >>> Action 2: Once testing is complete, Florido will share a schema document without the release candidate lable Schema file has been uploaded on redmine: http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13272?download= It has also been merged on git-hub: https://github.com/OGF-GLUE/LDAP/tree/EMIrevision Will be merged to the master branch when we send the draft out for comments. The contents of this file can be added to the LDAP document. Cheers, Florido >>> Action 3: JP/Shiraz will merge schema into rendering document, e-mail list to vote and approve document for release to public comment > > Action 1: Florido will post final schema by tomorrow/Wednesday to meeting folder > Action 2: JP/Shiraz will merge schema into rendering document and post proposed public comment document to meeting folder > Action 3: JP/Shiraz will call for e-mail list vote to release document for public comment after OGF 41 > Action 4: Final vote to release to public comment at OGF 41 including e-mail list votes > >> 2) Enumerations: approve enumerations process document > All action items complete. > Keep topic on agenda to discuss requests for new enumerations. > >> 3) Cloud Extensions: compare benefits and disadvantages of both approaches >> Previous: >>> Action 1: Shiraz/JP ask Andre and OGF steering committee for ideas on resolving two approaches supported by 1 community each > > Warren/JP propose XSEDE abstaining in a 2.0 vs 2.1, making GLUE 2.1 the cloud interoperability standard. > XSEDE would produce a Community Practice Profile for using GLUE 2.0 to describe Cloud Infrastructures > Action 1: Shiraz/JP will find a Community Practice, Profile example for Warren > Action 2: Salvatore and Warren will prepare OGF 41 slides presenting advantages and disadvantages if approaches > Action 3: Shiraz/JP will ask Andre and Steering Committee for suggestions regarding dilemma > >> 4) JSON: continue rendering discussions, discuss next steps. >> Previous: >>> Representing association, a to b, b to a, or both? >>> Option 1: schema allows both directions, rendering document identifies directionality rules that should be followed >>> Option 2: schema requires both directions >>> Option 3: schema requires one direction which we consider to be the best, and in few cases may require both directions (applying should rules in rendering document) >>> Option 4: schema requires one direction which we consider to be the best, the other direction is optional >>> We want to discuss this with David on the call. >>> Stephen pointed out that optional relations are ambiguous: if missing is there no relation or is it a missing relation? > > Action 1: Warren e-mail David directly about how to represent associations. > >> 5) Future meetings >> OGF 41 sessions July 16 or 17 > - One session each day at 10:30 slot for 90 minutes (total 2 sessions) > - Topics: LDAP, Enumerations, Cloud, JSON > Action 1: Shiraz will send meeting coordinates to e-mail list > > July 8 at the normal time we will discuss/prepare OGF 41 slides: > - Florido and JP will discuss draft Enumeration slides > - Others with draft slides to discuss are welcome to attend > >> July 29? > We will decide at OGF 41 is this meeting is needed. > >> OGF 42 September 8-12 in London, http://autonomic-conference.org/ > This would be a good meeting due to European representation to have the 2.1 schema and XSEDE profile drafts ready to discuss and release for public comment. > > > Regards, > > JP and Shiraz > > _______________________________________________ > glue-wg mailing list > glue-wg@ogf.org > https://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/glue-wg > -- ================================================== Florido Paganelli ARC Middleware Developer - NorduGrid Collaboration System Administrator Lund University Department of Physics Division of Particle Physics BOX118 221 00 Lund Office Location: Fysikum, Hus B, Rum B313 Office Tel: 046-2220272 Email: florido.paganelli@REMOVE_THIShep.lu.se Homepage: http://www.hep.lu.se/staff/paganelli ==================================================
Dear GLUErs, attached my proposed slides for OGF41 to discuss about advantages and disadvantages of the two Cloud approaches and our proposed plan to support them. I just did a quick transposition of the mails and discussion into the slides. Comments on them are more then welcome, especially from Warren & XSEDE. Cheers, Salvatore. On 01/07/2014 17:33, Navarro, John-Paul F. wrote: > Present: Florido, Salvatore, Warren, Shiraz, JP > > Meeting folder: http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf/glue-wg?folder_id=6588 > >> Agenda/minutes: >> >> 1) LDAP rendering: assess final wg comments and votes and perhaps forward for public comment >> Previous: >>> Action 1: Florido will coordinate with Maria to confirm that all the recommended testing was completed >>> Action 2: Once testing is complete, Florido will share a schema document without the release candidate lable >>> Action 3: JP/Shiraz will merge schema into rendering document, e-mail list to vote and approve document for release to public comment > Action 1: Florido will post final schema by tomorrow/Wednesday to meeting folder > Action 2: JP/Shiraz will merge schema into rendering document and post proposed public comment document to meeting folder > Action 3: JP/Shiraz will call for e-mail list vote to release document for public comment after OGF 41 > Action 4: Final vote to release to public comment at OGF 41 including e-mail list votes > >> 2) Enumerations: approve enumerations process document > All action items complete. > Keep topic on agenda to discuss requests for new enumerations. > >> 3) Cloud Extensions: compare benefits and disadvantages of both approaches >> Previous: >>> Action 1: Shiraz/JP ask Andre and OGF steering committee for ideas on resolving two approaches supported by 1 community each > Warren/JP propose XSEDE abstaining in a 2.0 vs 2.1, making GLUE 2.1 the cloud interoperability standard. > XSEDE would produce a Community Practice Profile for using GLUE 2.0 to describe Cloud Infrastructures > Action 1: Shiraz/JP will find a Community Practice, Profile example for Warren > Action 2: Salvatore and Warren will prepare OGF 41 slides presenting advantages and disadvantages if approaches > Action 3: Shiraz/JP will ask Andre and Steering Committee for suggestions regarding dilemma > >> 4) JSON: continue rendering discussions, discuss next steps. >> Previous: >>> Representing association, a to b, b to a, or both? >>> Option 1: schema allows both directions, rendering document identifies directionality rules that should be followed >>> Option 2: schema requires both directions >>> Option 3: schema requires one direction which we consider to be the best, and in few cases may require both directions (applying should rules in rendering document) >>> Option 4: schema requires one direction which we consider to be the best, the other direction is optional >>> We want to discuss this with David on the call. >>> Stephen pointed out that optional relations are ambiguous: if missing is there no relation or is it a missing relation? > Action 1: Warren e-mail David directly about how to represent associations. > >> 5) Future meetings >> OGF 41 sessions July 16 or 17 > - One session each day at 10:30 slot for 90 minutes (total 2 sessions) > - Topics: LDAP, Enumerations, Cloud, JSON > Action 1: Shiraz will send meeting coordinates to e-mail list > > July 8 at the normal time we will discuss/prepare OGF 41 slides: > - Florido and JP will discuss draft Enumeration slides > - Others with draft slides to discuss are welcome to attend > >> July 29? > We will decide at OGF 41 is this meeting is needed. > >> OGF 42 September 8-12 in London, http://autonomic-conference.org/ > This would be a good meeting due to European representation to have the 2.1 schema and XSEDE profile drafts ready to discuss and release for public comment. > > > Regards, > > JP and Shiraz > > _______________________________________________ > glue-wg mailing list > glue-wg@ogf.org > https://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/glue-wg -- Salvatore Pinto Cloud Technologist, EGI.eu e-mail: salvatore.pinto@egi.eu skype: salvatore.pinto0 Science Park 140, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Warren, Will you be able to add material, or create separate slides, representing any aspects of your Cloud rendering proposal that aren't in Salvatore (attached) slides? This influence the ordering of this topic: whether we can talk about it in Wednesday's or Thursday's. Thanks, JP On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Salvatore Pinto <salvatore.pinto@egi.eu> wrote:
Dear GLUErs, attached my proposed slides for OGF41 to discuss about advantages and disadvantages of the two Cloud approaches and our proposed plan to support them.
I just did a quick transposition of the mails and discussion into the slides. Comments on them are more then welcome, especially from Warren & XSEDE.
Cheers, Salvatore.
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stephen.burke＠stfc.ac.uk