Yes, A logo is a great idea. Yes, I like your implementation ... Even more so after I figured out that it was a "plug" and not an "AND-gate" symbol. Fritz's suggestions might clarify that issue (at least for electrical engineers). -Roger ----Original Message---- From: Fritz Ferstl Sender: drmaa-wg-bounces@ogf.org To: Daniel Templeton Cc: drmaa-wg@gridforum.org Subject: Re: [DRMAA-WG] DRMAA Logo? Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:42:57 +0200 Pretty good idea, I think. Both to have a logo in the first place and the proposal you've made. A small improvement might be to add a little color. Such as coloring the letters except for one in a certain color and the one letter in a contrast color. Or/And you could strengthen the association with a plug by coloring the pins in silver. You even could go so far as to color the 'RMAA' in black to make it the cable, then the 'D' in some other color to be the plug and the pins in silver. Cheers, Fritz Daniel Templeton wrote:

I was just thinking that since we're now an official recommendation, perhaps we should have an identifying graphic. Maybe I'm crazy. At any rate. attached is a doodle that sprang to mind. Thoughts?

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Why not adding OGF to the logo? After all DRMAA was born and raised in OGF. Andreas On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, Rajic, Hrabri wrote:

I like both the idea and the initial attempt.

Hrabri

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Yes, A logo is a great idea. Yes, I like your implementation ... Even more so after I figured out that it was a "plug" and not an "AND-gate" symbol. Fritz's suggestions might clarify that issue (at least for electrical engineers).

-Roger

----Original Message---- From: Fritz Ferstl Sender: drmaa-wg-bounces@ogf.org To: Daniel Templeton Cc: drmaa-wg@gridforum.org Subject: Re: [DRMAA-WG] DRMAA Logo? Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:42:57 +0200

Pretty good idea, I think. Both to have a logo in the first place and the proposal you've made.

A small improvement might be to add a little color. Such as coloring the letters except for one in a certain color and the one letter in a contrast color. Or/And you could strengthen the association with a plug by coloring the pins in silver. You even could go so far as to color the 'RMAA' in black to make it the cable, then the 'D' in some other color to be the plug and the pins in silver.

Cheers,

Fritz

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I was just thinking that since we're now an official recommendation, perhaps we should have an identifying graphic. Maybe I'm crazy. At any rate. attached is a doodle that sprang to mind. Thoughts?

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-----Original Message----- From: drmaa-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:drmaa-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Fritz Ferstl Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:15 AM To: Peter Troeger Cc: DRMAA Working Group Subject: Re: [DRMAA-WG] DRMAA Logo?

Good improvements, Peter! Here's yet another version playing with the font and colors a little bit. It's attached in PNG and also as Open Document Drawing to fiddle further with it (e.g. in Open Office).

Cheers,

Fritz

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Great idea, great proposal. I couldn't resist to create an updated version of Dan's proposal.

BTW, since this week I work in Sweden at the Blekinge Institute of Technology (http://www.bth.se/eng/). I will do my best to join the

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I have reduced the log to the usual size and compared it to the similar one in the field. The text gets lost at such small size, so maybe simplifying it would help. We do not necessarily need to reduce our logo to such small size ... What about have two different logos depending on the size. Hrabri phone the

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DRMAA work.

Regards, Peter.

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Good point. The discussions are still at the conceptual, internal level, so your info is timely. As it seems all we could fit on a small DRMAA logo is another acronym or image. Also, it is not clear how it would be used. Enabled by (OGF) DRMAA(TM), logo on the pages, trade marking, etc. Give us more time to rumble ... Hrabri

-----Original Message----- From: Steven Newhouse [mailto:Steven.Newhouse@microsoft.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:24 AM To: Rajic, Hrabri; Fritz Ferstl; Peter Troeger Cc: DRMAA Working Group Subject: RE: [DRMAA-WG] DRMAA Logo?

What no acknowledgement of OGF in the logo? Shame on you all...

If you are serious about developing a brand - you should get in touch with the OGF office (marketing) about trademark protection etc. For instance OGSA is registered so that we can protect that brand.

Steven

-----Original Message----- From: drmaa-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:drmaa-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Templeton

Well, that is the real question. Are we serious about a logo? My original intent was just to have a pretty graphic to use in presentations, but I like where we've gone with this so far, and I

Having our own external wiki and pages (are they up the date?) we are not all the time under OGF umbrella policies. DRMAA trademark is something different. Inquiring about the OGF marketing office position for the above issues should not take much effort. I will do that one of these days. Hrabri think

I can actually see some valid uses/needs for having a DRMAA graphic, such as on the Sun Grid Engine web site. The point Dave made about "DRMAA Inside" is also a good one. If we're going to do this, we should do it up right.

I guess the most important question is whether anyone wants to volunteer to take the lead on talking to the marketing office and driving the creation of a logo. I would volunteer if I had the time to give. At the moment, though, I'm booked through March.

And about the OGF reference... I think there's little to no chance of fitting an OGF logo into a DRMAA logo. The OGF logo is simply too complex to be a sub-logo. I'm not completely opposed to having "OGF" or "Open Grid Forum" included in the logo text, but only as long as it's not at the expense the logo's simplicity and cohesiveness.

For precedent on the topic, go look at any of the standards from the JCP that have logos, which many of them do. None of them reference the JCP in their logos, but they always identify themselves as JSR-### when referenced in text. Following this example, we'd leave OGF out of the logo but always call the standard "DRMAA (GFD.22)". (It's rather the OGF's job to make sure that the general public understands that "GFD" is something from the OGF.)

Daniel

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What no acknowledgement of OGF in the logo? Shame on you all...

If you are serious about developing a brand - you should get in touch with the OGF office (marketing) about trademark protection etc. For instance OGSA is registered so that we can protect that brand.

Steven

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