Present Geoff Judd Tom Sugden Martin Westhead Mike Beckerle Bob McGrath Steve Hanson Tom Sugden Suman Kali Discussion * Tom's comments on scoping section Key issue is that this section is structured around examples. Is this the right approach? Makes reference access difficult. Proposal: keep examples but restructure to move rule descriptions to the top and examples to the bottom. * Semantics of Groups issue Mike, Martin, Geoff discussed the topic. Decided to proceed to acheive some description and at the same time look at a candidate formalism (Definite Clause Grammar) to capture it precisely. - Action: [Geoff] Put together a first pass description - Action: [Mike] Look at DCGs * Geoff's document on Uncertainty - suggested we need basic choice and discriminating assertions in core. (currently it's in the supplement) * Mike's slides for GGF meeting on 9/14 - planning to cover the top-down vs. bottom up topic. What else? Suggestions included - A "How to get involved" slide - Call for a secretary and active participants (e.g. ~1day/week) - Get to extensibility - Mike suggested by way of "why can't you use XML" line of reasoning. - Ask about structure of spec? Do they have examples they like? should the examples be in it, even if that makes it a thick spec? - Depending on audience people might want to hear some specifics: E.g., example of our scoping - Also show people a larger-than-one-screen example and get their reaction. - Strawpoll - who are attendees: raise hands for - business community vs sci/eng community, new/first-time vs. have been tracking DFDL. - When will we be finished ? - Projected time for draft document: 2 GGF meetings in the future is our target. (Assuming there is a winter GGF, this would be Spring/Summer 07)