Present

Geoff Judd

Tom Sugden

Martin Westhead

Mike Beckerle

Bob McGrath

Steve Hanson

Tom Sugden

Suman Kali

Discussion

• Tom's comments on scoping section

Key issue is that this section is structured around examples. Is this the right approach? Makes reference access difficult. Proposal: keep examples but restructure to move rule descriptions to the top and examples to the bottom.

• Semantics of Groups issue

Mike, Martin, Geoff discussed the topic. Decided to proceed to acheive some description and at the same time look at a candidate formalism (Definite Clause Grammar) to capture it precisely.

- Action: [Geoff] Put together a first pass description

- Action: [Mike] Look at DCGs

• Geoff's document on Uncertainty - suggested we need basic choice and discriminating assertions in core. (currently it's in the supplement)

• Mike's slides for GGF meeting on 9/14 - planning to cover the top-down vs. bottom up topic. What else? Suggestions included

- A "How to get involved" slide - Call for a secretary and active participants (e.g. ~1day/week)

- Get to extensibility - Mike suggested by way of "why can't you use XML" line of reasoning.

- Ask about structure of spec? Do they have examples they like? should the examples be in it, even if that makes it a thick spec?

- Depending on audience people might want to hear some specifics: E.g., example of our scoping

- Also show people a larger-than-one-screen example and get their reaction.

- Strawpoll - who are attendees: raise hands for - business community vs sci/eng community, new/first-time vs. have been tracking DFDL.

- When will we be finished ? - Projected time for draft document: 2 GGF meetings in the future is our target. (Assuming there is a winter GGF, this would be Spring/Summer 07)