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Agenda items for tomorrow
by Westhead, Martin (Martin) 18 Oct '05

18 Oct '05

Hi folks, Does anyone have any agenda items for tomorrow's telcon? I currently have: Preliminary Agenda ---------------------------- 1. Follow-up reports from F2F 2. Charter change update 3. Issues list, ongoing review Thanks, Martin

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Revised charter
by Westhead, Martin (Martin) 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

I have put up the revised charter proposal at: https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/dfdl-wg/document/DraftRevisedCharte r/en/1 Part of the aim here was minimum changes. I have basically updated contact information and changed the document descriptions and milestones in accordance with our discussion at the F2F. The rest I left because it did not seem to have changed in any important ways. If you spot any problems please let me know by the end of the week. If there's nothing unresolved I will submit it to GGF on Friday. Thanks, Martin

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RE: [dfdl-wg] Telcon problems
by Chappell, Alan R 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

The building housing the Richland DoE switchboard was flooded this morning. Since the operators didn't have access, there was no one to set up the calls. They are scheduled to have a replacement location by 10am (pacific) but that's too late for the group. Hopefully there won't be another "flood" in the middle of the desert next week! Alan

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RE: [dfdl-wg] Telcon problems
by Talbott, Tara D 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

Dialing the number internally I'm getting redirected to voicemail, so something is apparently wrong. Tara ________________________________ From: owner-dfdl-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-dfdl-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Suman Kalia Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:22 AM To: dfdl-wg(a)gridforum.org Subject: Fw: [dfdl-wg] Telcon problems 1-800-664-0771 number is not reachable from Canada.. Suman Kalia IBM Toronto Lab WebSphere Business Integration Application Connectivity Tools Tel : 905-413-3923 T/L 969-3923 Fax : 905-413-4850 Internet ID : kalia(a)ca.ibm.com ----- Forwarded by Suman Kalia/Toronto/IBM on 10/12/2005 12:19 PM ----- Martin Westhead <martinwesthead(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sent by: owner-dfdl-wg(a)ggf.org 10/12/2005 12:03 PM To dfdl-wg(a)gridforum.org cc Subject [dfdl-wg] Telcon problems Hi Folks, There seems to be a problem with the DOE switchboard that directs us to our meeting space. The message says the problem is being worked on and to call back later. I propose to try again at 9.15 PDT if the problem has been resolved we can have a short meeting. If not lets leave it until next week. Martin Conference call instructions: Number: 1-800-664-0771 At the automated answering system, press 0 for the operator. Ask for the "Daffodil working group" call.

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Fw: [dfdl-wg] Telcon problems
by Suman Kalia 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

1-800-664-0771 number is not reachable from Canada.. Suman Kalia IBM Toronto Lab WebSphere Business Integration Application Connectivity Tools Tel : 905-413-3923 T/L 969-3923 Fax : 905-413-4850 Internet ID : kalia(a)ca.ibm.com ----- Forwarded by Suman Kalia/Toronto/IBM on 10/12/2005 12:19 PM ----- Martin Westhead <martinwesthead(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sent by: owner-dfdl-wg(a)ggf.org 10/12/2005 12:03 PM To dfdl-wg(a)gridforum.org cc Subject [dfdl-wg] Telcon problems Hi Folks, There seems to be a problem with the DOE switchboard that directs us to our meeting space. The message says the problem is being worked on and to call back later. I propose to try again at 9.15 PDT if the problem has been resolved we can have a short meeting. If not lets leave it until next week. Martin Conference call instructions: Number: 1-800-664-0771 At the automated answering system, press 0 for the operator. Ask for the "Daffodil working group" call.

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F2F telecon sessions on Wednesday
by Mike Beckerle 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

We'd like to review some things from our F2F meetings with the broader dfdl-wg on wednesday. If we can start at roughly 11am Eastern (UTC-4 hours) that would give us ability to have possibilities for calls from Steve Hanson and from Martin Westhead who are 7 hours apart. Topics are: Scoping - report on discussions by Suman, Mike, Geoff Layers - report on discussions by Jim, Tara, Bob After that we do need to spend some time on process topics including updating our charter/plan. Martin Westhead will lead this. Please try to call in to the number listed as home/mobile office below (or skype to mbeckerle if you have skype) starting at 11am. Also, check email for materials which will be sent in advance (hopefully) by the above mentioned people/teams. ...mikeb Mike Beckerle Architect, Scalable Computing IBM Software Group Information Integration Solutions Westborough, MA 01581 voice and FAX 508-599-7148 home/mobile office 508-915-4767 skype ID mbeckerle

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Telcon problems
by Martin Westhead 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

Hi Folks, There seems to be a problem with the DOE switchboard that directs us to our meeting space. The message says the problem is being worked on and to call back later. I propose to try again at 9.15 PDT if the problem has been resolved we can have a short meeting. If not lets leave it until next week. Martin Conference call instructions: Number: 1-800-664-0771 At the automated answering system, press 0 for the operator. Ask for the "Daffodil working group" call.

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review slides from f2f
by Mike Beckerle 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

Coarse notes for sure, but our summary/action items slides are at the end of this. Mike Beckerle Architect, Scalable Computing IBM Software Group Information Integration Solutions Westborough, MA 01581 voice and FAX 508-599-7148 home/mobile office 508-915-4767 skype ID mbeckerle

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Fw: [dfdl-wg] F2F status on discussions here about Scoping #2
by Steve Hanson 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

Geoff Judd/UK/IBM 05/10/2005 17:44 To Steve Hanson/UK/IBM@IBMGB cc Mike Beckerle/Worcester/IBM@IBMUS, Suman Kalia/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA Subject Re: Fw: [dfdl-wg] F2F status on discussions here about Scoping #2 (Document link: Steve Hanson) Steve, This is how I would see the definitions with selectors. Regards, Geoff Judd Websphere MQ Integrator Development IBM UK Ltd Hursley Telephone: +44-1962-818461 E-mail: JUDDG(a)uk.ibm.com Steve Hanson/UK/IBM To 05/10/2005 12:30 Mike Beckerle/Worcester/IBM cc Geoff Judd/UK/IBM, Suman Kalia/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA Subject Fw: [dfdl-wg] F2F status on discussions here about Scoping #2 I think I see what selectors solve. It's the embedded message scenario where I have a different format, and hence configuration, for the embedded message. I can use selectors to pull together multiple different configurations in a single parse. Correct? Regards, Steve Steve Hanson WebSphere Business Integration Brokers, IBM Hursley, England Internet: smh(a)uk.ibm.com Phone (+44)/(0) 1962-815848 ----- Forwarded by Steve Hanson/UK/IBM on 05/10/2005 12:27 ----- Steve Hanson/UK/IBM To 05/10/2005 12:18 Mike Beckerle <beckerle(a)us.ibm.com> cc Geoff Judd/UK/IBM, Suman Kalia/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA Subject Re: [dfdl-wg] F2F status on discussions here about Scoping (Document link: Steve Hanson) Hi, I've taken a look through the slides, looks like you had a productive day. The scheme looks ok in principle, but I can't glean from the foils exactly how the selector mechanism works, and (consequently) why we can't achieve the same result using configuration blocks alone. I'm not trying to be awkward here, just trying to justify to myself why we need the extra complexity selectors introduce. It would be great if we could rubber stamp scoping by the end of the call today. What would be really helpful for the call would be to mail out a single DFDL schema that used configurations and selectors to model the following COBOL message and its equivalent tagged/delimited form. As a comparison, here's a DFDL schema that models this just using configurations. This works because the extends attribute is mandatory on any dfdl element if more than one configuration is defined. 1 MESSAGE 5 STR-FIELD PIC X(10) <----------- logical string length 10 5 INT-FIELD PIC 9(8) COMP <----------- logical integer, physical integer length 4 5 DEC-FIELD PIC 9999V99 DISPLAY <----------- logical decimal, physical extended decimal length 6 with VDP 2 Tagged/delimited example instance using postfix delimiters <MSG><STR>Example;<INT>4000;<DEC>9999.99;<END> <dfdl:configuration name="cobol-params" repType="binary" ...... /> <dfdl:configuration name="tagged-params" repType="text" ...... /> <xsd:element name="message"> <xsd:annotation> <xsd:appinfo source="http://dataformat.org"> <dfdl:defaults> <dfdl:configuration selector="cobol" extends="cobol-params" charset="937" byteOrder="bigEndian" /> <dfdl:configuration selector="tagged" extends="tagged-params" charset="850" /> <dfdl:defaults> </xsd:appinfo> </xsd:annotation> <xsd:complexType> <xsd:sequence> <xsd:annotation> <xsd:appinfo source="http://dataformat.org"> <dfdl:sequence selector="tagged" initiator="<MSG>" terminator="<END>" separator=";" separatorType="postfix" /> </xsd:appinfo"> </xsd:annotation> <xsd:element name="str_field" xsd:type="string"> <xsd:annotation> <xsd:appinfo source="http://dataformat.org"> <dfdl:string selector="cobol" baseWidth="10" /> <dfdl:string selector="tagged" initiator="<STR>" /> </xsd:appinfo> </xsd:annotation> </xsd:element> <xsd:element name="int_field" xsd:type="int"> <xsd:annotation> <xsd:appinfo source="http://dataformat.org"> <dfdl:int selector="cobol" baseWidth="4" /> <dfdl:int selector="tagged" initiator="<INT>" /> </xsd:appinfo> </xsd:annotation> </xsd:element> <xsd:element name="string" xsd:type="decimal"> <xsd:annotation> <xsd:appinfo source="http://dataformat.org"> <dfdl:decimal selector="cobol" baseWidth="6" virtualDecimalPoint="2" /> <dfdl:decimal selector="tagged" initiator="<DEC>" virtualDecimalPoint="2" /> </xsd:appinfo> </xsd:annotation> </xsd:element> </xsd:sequence> </xsd:complexType> </xsd:element> Regards, Steve Steve Hanson WebSphere Business Integration Brokers, IBM Hursley, England Internet: smh(a)uk.ibm.com Phone (+44)/(0) 1962-815848 Mike Beckerle <beckerle(a)us.ibm. com> To Sent by: dfdl-wg(a)gridforum.org owner-dfdl-wg@ggf cc .org Subject [dfdl-wg] F2F status on discussions 05/10/2005 03:08 here about Scoping Attached are slides we'll review as a group tomorrow. Could be typos in these. I did them rather fast. [attachment "ggf15-dfdl-wg-f2f-scoping-summary.ppt" deleted by Geoff Judd/UK/IBM]

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Fw: [dfdl-wg] F2F status on discussions here about Scoping #2
by Steve Hanson 05 Oct '05

05 Oct '05

----- Forwarded by Steve Hanson/UK/IBM on 05/10/2005 17:46 ----- Steve Hanson/UK/IBM To 05/10/2005 17:46 Mike Beckerle/Worcester/IBM cc Geoff Judd/UK/IBM, Suman Kalia/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA Subject Fw: [dfdl-wg] F2F status on discussions here about Scoping #2 I think I see what selectors solve. It's the embedded message scenario where I have a different format, and hence configuration, for the embedded message. I can use selectors to pull together multiple different configurations in a single parse. Correct? Regards, Steve Steve Hanson WebSphere Business Integration Brokers, IBM Hursley, England Internet: smh(a)uk.ibm.com Phone (+44)/(0) 1962-815848 ----- Forwarded by Steve Hanson/UK/IBM on 05/10/2005 12:27 ----- Steve Hanson/UK/IBM To 05/10/2005 12:18 Mike Beckerle <beckerle(a)us.ibm.com> cc Geoff Judd/UK/IBM, Suman Kalia/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA Subject Re: [dfdl-wg] F2F status on discussions here about Scoping (Document link: Steve Hanson) Hi, I've taken a look through the slides, looks like you had a productive day. The scheme looks ok in principle, but I can't glean from the foils exactly how the selector mechanism works, and (consequently) why we can't achieve the same result using configuration blocks alone. I'm not trying to be awkward here, just trying to justify to myself why we need the extra complexity selectors introduce. It would be great if we could rubber stamp scoping by the end of the call today. What would be really helpful for the call would be to mail out a single DFDL schema that used configurations and selectors to model the following COBOL message and its equivalent tagged/delimited form. As a comparison, here's a DFDL schema that models this just using configurations. This works because the extends attribute is mandatory on any dfdl element if more than one configuration is defined. 1 MESSAGE 5 STR-FIELD PIC X(10) <----------- logical string length 10 5 INT-FIELD PIC 9(8) COMP <----------- logical integer, physical integer length 4 5 DEC-FIELD PIC 9999V99 DISPLAY <----------- logical decimal, physical extended decimal length 6 with VDP 2 Tagged/delimited example instance using postfix delimiters <MSG><STR>Example;<INT>4000;<DEC>9999.99;<END> <dfdl:configuration name="cobol" repType="binary" ...... /> <dfdl:configuration name="tagged" repType="text" ...... /> <xsd:element name="message"> <xsd:annotation> <xsd:appinfo source="http://dataformat.org"> <dfdl:defaults> <dfdl:configuration extends="cobol" charset="937" byteOrder="bigEndian" /> <dfdl:configuration extends="tagged" charset="850" /> <dfdl:defaults> </xsd:appinfo> </xsd:annotation> <xsd:complexType> <xsd:sequence> <xsd:annotation> <xsd:appinfo source="http://dataformat.org"> <dfdl:sequence extends="tagged" initiator="<MSG>" terminator="<END>" separator=";" separatorType="postfix" /> </xsd:appinfo"> </xsd:annotation> <xsd:element name="str_field" xsd:type="string"> <xsd:annotation> <xsd:appinfo source="http://dataformat.org"> <dfdl:string extends="cobol" baseWidth="10" /> <dfdl:string extends="tagged" initiator="<STR>" /> </xsd:appinfo> </xsd:annotation> </xsd:element> <xsd:element name="int_field" xsd:type="int"> <xsd:annotation> <xsd:appinfo source="http://dataformat.org"> <dfdl:int extends="cobol" baseWidth="4" /> <dfdl:int extends="tagged" initiator="<INT>" /> </xsd:appinfo> </xsd:annotation> </xsd:element> <xsd:element name="string" xsd:type="decimal"> <xsd:annotation> <xsd:appinfo source="http://dataformat.org"> <dfdl:decimal extends="cobol" baseWidth="6" virtualDecimalPoint="2" /> <dfdl:decimal extends="tagged" initiator="<DEC>" virtualDecimalPoint="2" /> </xsd:appinfo> </xsd:annotation> </xsd:element> </xsd:sequence> </xsd:complexType> </xsd:element> Regards, Steve Steve Hanson WebSphere Business Integration Brokers, IBM Hursley, England Internet: smh(a)uk.ibm.com Phone (+44)/(0) 1962-815848 Mike Beckerle <beckerle(a)us.ibm. com> To Sent by: dfdl-wg(a)gridforum.org owner-dfdl-wg@ggf cc .org Subject [dfdl-wg] F2F status on discussions 05/10/2005 03:08 here about Scoping Attached are slides we'll review as a group tomorrow. Could be typos in these. I did them rather fast. [attachment "ggf15-dfdl-wg-f2f-scoping-summary.ppt" deleted by Steve Hanson/UK/IBM]

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