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DFDL Telcon Notes 2006-09-06
by Westhead, Martin (Martin) 07 Sep '06

07 Sep '06

Present Geoff Judd Tom Sugden Martin Westhead Mike Beckerle Bob McGrath Steve Hanson Tom Sugden Suman Kali Discussion * Tom's comments on scoping section Key issue is that this section is structured around examples. Is this the right approach? Makes reference access difficult. Proposal: keep examples but restructure to move rule descriptions to the top and examples to the bottom. * Semantics of Groups issue Mike, Martin, Geoff discussed the topic. Decided to proceed to acheive some description and at the same time look at a candidate formalism (Definite Clause Grammar) to capture it precisely. - Action: [Geoff] Put together a first pass description - Action: [Mike] Look at DCGs * Geoff's document on Uncertainty - suggested we need basic choice and discriminating assertions in core. (currently it's in the supplement) * Mike's slides for GGF meeting on 9/14 - planning to cover the top-down vs. bottom up topic. What else? Suggestions included - A "How to get involved" slide - Call for a secretary and active participants (e.g. ~1day/week) - Get to extensibility - Mike suggested by way of "why can't you use XML" line of reasoning. - Ask about structure of spec? Do they have examples they like? should the examples be in it, even if that makes it a thick spec? - Depending on audience people might want to hear some specifics: E.g., example of our scoping - Also show people a larger-than-one-screen example and get their reaction. - Strawpoll - who are attendees: raise hands for - business community vs sci/eng community, new/first-time vs. have been tracking DFDL. - When will we be finished ? - Projected time for draft document: 2 GGF meetings in the future is our target. (Assuming there is a winter GGF, this would be Spring/Summer 07)

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Partial Review of Scoping Chapter
by Tom Sugden 06 Sep '06

06 Sep '06

Hi all, Please find attached a version of the core spec with some in-line comments and amendments to Chapter 10 - Scoping Behaviour. I have tried some minor rewriting of parts that confused me, but feel free to discard these if I have got things wrong or failed to clarify matters. Unfortunately I haven't had time to get all the way through. I found that the examples given helped me to understand the scoping rules. However, the consequence of featuring them is that the section has become quite large. In our drive to produce a more manageable specification, perhaps we should consider writing a more concise description of the scoping rules instead, and then referencing a supplementary document containing the current examples? I was curious about how this might look, so I made a quick start: http://www.writely.com/Doc.aspx?id=dc5kwkp4_444fsm9 But I'd like to discuss the matter and decide whether it is appropriate to proceed. On a different subject, I've recently started using Writely (www.writely.com) which is a simple on-line word processor with some really neat collaborative tools. We might consider using this when multiple editors want to work on the same part of the spec concurrently. If anybody would like to edit the above draft, let me know and I can add you as a "document collaborator". Cheers, Tom

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[wg-all] Mailing List Changes
by Andre Merzky 03 Sep '06

03 Sep '06

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DFDL Telcon tomorrow
by Westhead, Martin (Martin) 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

Agenda * Null and Default values document from Geoff. * Discuss ongoing document edits. Call Details Time: 9am PDT Number: 1-800-664-0771 At the automated answering system, press 0 for the operator. Ask for the "Daffodil working group" call.

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Support of Default and Null Values
by Geoff Judd 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

Hi, I have created in new document supplement for the support of default and null values in DFDL V1.0. The support for DFDL V1.0 is been simplified and most of the undecided areas have been removed. I have not updated the core and parking lot documents because I want to get agreement that my new document is the right way to go before I update them. Regards, Geoff Judd Websphere MQ Integrator Development IBM United Kingdom Ltd. Hursley Telephone: +44-1962-818461 E-mail: JUDDG(a)uk.ibm.com

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Updates to DFDL V1.0 documents for "Uncertainty"
by Geoff Judd 24 Aug '06

24 Aug '06

Hi, I have added the updated documents for "Uncertainty" as discussed in yesterday's meeting. http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc13754 Regards, Geoff Judd Websphere MQ Integrator Development IBM United Kingdom Ltd. Hursley Telephone: +44-1962-818461 E-mail: JUDDG(a)uk.ibm.com

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DFDL Telcon notes 2006-08-23
by Westhead, Martin (Martin) 24 Aug '06

24 Aug '06

Present Geoff Judd Tom Sugden Martin Westhead Agenda Document editing progress: * Geoff edited his sections and produced a new version of the document with excess material trimmed into a suppliement * Tom read the Scoping section and will send out comments * Martin is overrun and has not done his edits. He looked at the document and has a lot of concern about the amount of work required to turn it into a single consistent specification.

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Telcon tomorrow
by Westhead, Martin (Martin) 23 Aug '06

23 Aug '06

Agenda Discuss ongoing document edits. Call Details Time: 9am PDT Number: 1-800-664-0771 At the automated answering system, press 0 for the operator. Ask for the "Daffodil working group" call.

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DFDL Telcon tomorrow
by Westhead, Martin (Martin) 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

(Unfortunately, it turns out that I cannot make the call tomorrow.) Agenda Discuss ongoing document edits. Call Details Time: 9am PDT Number: 1-800-664-0771 At the automated answering system, press 0 for the operator. Ask for the "Daffodil working group" call.

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