August 2017 - cypherpunks@lists.ogf.org

Razer's occam - free speech and the rhetoric of "politically correct" censorship
by Zenaan Harkness 20 Aug '17

20 Aug '17

Free speech may be banned by any mega corporation, because they are a private for-profit company and can therefore do whatever they want. Oh, sorry, Google is a --public-- for profit company, is a near monopoly, and can therefore do whatever it wants. Because banning a competing communication platform which has no agenda per-se other than to enable the free speech that for example is being trampled on by Google, is OK when you slander that platform with something like: Google: this is an App already! and this app "Advocates against groups of people" Really? One of those never gonna present a fact "Razer" moments evidently, but this time from a global near-monopoly behemoth for profit "public" company, which has all sorts of statutory privileges by virtue of its statutory nature - almost an arm of the government. Alright, Google is an arm of the US Government, effectively, clandestinely, and ultimately quite publicly, as essentially every USA corporation is. Google - where slander is ok when it's from Google, and also when Google's slander is against an App and not against a human. Lauren "Kangz Rule" Weinstein is sounding more like Razer by the day... Way to go Lauren, celebrating slander, suppression of free speech, and the dictatorial rights of public mega-corporations - you're a real peoples man hey? Sincerely, Zenaan ----- Forwarded message from "PFKR" (People For Kangz) ----- Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:19:37 -0700 Subject: [ PFKR ] Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/17/alt-social-network-gab-booted-from-google… Gab, the conservative social network that has acted as a haven for people banned from the usual platforms, has been removed from the Google Play Store for violating the company's hate speech policy, the company announced on Twitter. Apple removed it from the App Store in June for similar reasons. That policy is pretty straightforward: "We don't allow apps that advocate against groups of people based on their race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, nationality, veteran status, sexual orientation, or gender identity." - - - Bravo! --Lauren-- Lauren Kangzstein (lauren(a)kangz.com) https://www.kangz.com/TheKang ----- End forwarded message -----

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Boston Holocaust Memorial
by Red Kale 20 Aug '17

20 Aug '17

Looks like they got the "white" supremacist who threw a rock and vandalized the Boston Holocaust Memorial. Pic related.

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The best way to beat an Ashkenazi (White Nationalist edition)
by Yt 20 Aug '17

20 Aug '17

> Razer g2s at riseup.net > Sun Aug 20 12:42:07 PDT 2017 > > If Nazis have one modern mortal enemy, > Juggalos iz it! > You should respect that Hitler ushered in a new era of Judaism, by helping to create the Great State of Israel, what was then known as Mandatory Palestine. Maybe you haven't read into our history, edgynameanon. Start with the Balfour Declaration. Pic related. wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

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The best way to beat an Ashkenazi (White Nationalist edition)
by Yt 20 Aug '17

20 Aug '17

> Razer g2s at riseup.net > Sun Aug 20 09:23:32 PDT 2017 > > describe ideology in public setting > Easy (pic related): We must secure the existence of our people and a future for our children."" Now get the fuck out, edgynameanon, and take your commie MGTOW friends with you.

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Another "The best way to beat a Nazi" (Rudolph Hess burial place edition)
by Razer 20 Aug '17

20 Aug '17

"In the small town in Germany where Nazi leader Rudolf Hess was buried, every year right wing activists have been showing up to commemorate his birthday. Counter marches didn't stop them. What really got to them was when people organized to sponsor donations on their behalf, treating their march like an AIDS walk. For every meter marched, there would be 10 euros donated to anti-racist organizations. People then turned it into kind of a sports event as they showed up with banners and music cheering the fascists on like "Thank you for marching for racial justice" and updating with bullhorns how much money the fascists marching had already raised." https://twitter.com/CleveJones1/status/897880400982188032

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The best way to beat a Nazi (White Nationalist edition)
by Razer 20 Aug '17

20 Aug '17

> The best way to beat a white nationalist is to ask him to sell his > ideology to you in a public setting. Don’t argue with him, just ask > him to describe in public what America would look like if they were in > charge, how they would make that happen, and why it’s something that > people should want. Ask lots of questions and really press him to > explain his vision; make him describe his entire utopia. Who would > have to leave? Where would they go? Who would get to stay? How would > you make that happen? Would there be DNA tests? Has he taken a DNA > test? What precisely is so great about a white ethnostate? What would > happen to food, live music and entertainment? Once you drag their > whole vision out into the light, there are very few people who would > ever find such a vision appealing enough to try and manifest. It does > not sell itself. There’s not much to say there beyond “Uhh… no > thanks.” ~~Caitlin Johnstone https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/some-thoughts-on-charlottesville-b3695e3…

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Daily Stormer Hit From All Sides
by Mike Duvos 20 Aug '17

20 Aug '17

Everyone's favorite Neo-Nazi parody and trolling site, The Daily Stormer, written by Andrew Anglin, has had a bad several days. They published an article calling the road rage victim at the "Unite the Right" rally a "fat childless 32-year-old slut," and the forces of political correctness went wild. GoDaddy gave them 24 hours to find a new domain registrar, and they moved to Google. Google cancelled their registration and froze the domain, preventing them from moving it again, effectively stealing it. They came back up as dailystormer.wang, in Chinese jurisdiction, but that domain was seized after a few hours. They then tried dailystormer.ru, but Cloudflare then dumped them after a Quartz article accused Cloudflare of "Enabling Hate." Twitter then cancelled their status page. They've managed to get an onion address up, at dstormer6em3i4km.onion which points to the few places they haven't been kicked off of yet. With major chunks of important Internet infrastructure in the hands of giant private corporations, who can decline service to anyone at any time for any reason, unpopular speech can get stomped on without it technically being "censorship", which is regulation of speech by the government. Reading The Daily Stormer doesn't make anyone a Nazi, anymore than reading The Landover Baptist Church makes someone a Baptist. It will be interesting to see what happens with the site, because right now, they are kind of the Spotted Owl in the free speech forest. -- Mike Duvos mpd(a)wolf359.net

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Re: Daily Stormer Hit From All Sides
by Ryan Carboni 19 Aug '17

19 Aug '17

ah yes, you mentioned Nazis in the government? there is a secret society of Nazis tasked by THE Kennedy to protect American democracy. Maybe they are connected with all the Nazis the CIA rescued from WWII? uh.... yeah. after the cubs won the world series, the weirdness only broke free http://thefifthcolumnnews.com/2015/04/inside-the-special-forces-underground/ The legend of the Special Forces Underground reaches back to the same period. The story is that President Kennedy, an outspoken critic of the military-industrial complex, pulled selected Special Forces officers aside when he visited Fort Bragg in October of 1961. In a very informal conversation he asked these officers to promise that if the US military was ever used against the people of the United States the men of the Special Forces would use their very unique training to assist the people. According to the legend, this promise has been passed down through the decades to some of the soldiers wearing the Green Beret today. These men make up what the media and DOD investigations have referred to as “The Special Forces Underground.” http://www.hoover.org/news/hoover-library-acquires-rare-periodical-army-spe…

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Satoshi nakamoto's pre-release draft, does some one have this version?
by mark M 18 Aug '17

18 Aug '17

*Satoshi nakamoto's pre-release draft, does some one have this version? also if there are any other pointers or relevant pre-bitcoin reading material would be great.. thanks* You can download a pre-release draft at http://www.upload.ae/file/ 6157/ecash-pdf.html Feel free to forward it to anyone else you think would be interested. - Satoshi Nakamoto

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My Opinion on Fighting Neo-Nazis and the Future of Free Expression
by Ryan Carboni 18 Aug '17

18 Aug '17

Due to inflation my opinion has increased in value from two to three cents. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/08/fighting-neo-nazis-future-free-expres… This talk about free speech runs contrary to libertarian values about not having borders. Offending people is not protected by the non-aggression principle, and so the risk of people entering a space to experience undesired speech is too great a risk. As the number of rights expand, so must the number of freedoms decrease. It is too far to call the Daily Stormer vitriolic and abusive, it is clearly only in bad taste and puerile. For some reason after the Reagan administration, everyone became more puritan, and no one can even directly discuss any subject matter so I will say it: Calling anyone who died a fat slut is far outside civilized speech, and is certainly not something to be joked about in public. Yes, what GoDaddy, Google, and Cloudflare did was dangerous. So did what Obama did ( https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/02/documents-about-financial-censorship-… ). Yes, it is terrible that states and malicious actors censors others through DDOS attacks, why are DDOS attacks ignored as speech? Those state owned computers should be blocked from the internet. I too agree with net neutrality and think "internet intermediaries" shouldn't make much content based decisions, outside of that needed to maintain service.

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