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Electronic Democracy
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 14 Aug '93

14 Aug '93

An anonymous personage writes > More succinctly, "Democracy is four wolves and a sheep voting on lunch." > Up the republic! Yeah, though representative government is four wolves voting on _which_ sheep to have for lunch. Any time power is available, it can be abused; it's nice to be working on systems that allow people to do transactions without providing additional information which can be abused.

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Media Wars
by geoffw＠nexsys.net 14 Aug '93

14 Aug '93

> > What we need is a national talk show host/comedian belittling the > governments plan. > Good Idea, someone like george carlin, maybe we can get frank zappa to speak out on it, It would reach a section of the population that would normally not be reached, he has challenged Big Government before on free speack issues (in the music industry), he's not a comedian but he would be effective. A real good person to get would be Lilly Tomlin!! She could definately get exposure with her Ernestine the Operator charecter. I think her political orientation would support our cause. Although, if you really want to be effective, you should win over Bob Hope; a few wise cracks from him on some tv special and the Clipper would be dead before morning :)

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No Subject
by anonymous＠extropia.wimsey.com 14 Aug '93

14 Aug '93

> *pragmatic* descriptions of Electronic Democracy ... Uu> Uu> You're walking down the street, and a gang of thugs jumps out Uu> from behind some bushes. Their leader approaches you and says: Uu> Uu> "Don't be alarmed, we're your very local community - we believe Uu> in the noble principle of Democracy, majority rule, and you Uu> have an equal vote with each of us." Et cetera, und so weiter... More succinctly, "Democracy is four wolves and a sheep voting on lunch." Up the republic!

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birth of Software Patent Institute
by L. Detweiler 14 Aug '93

14 Aug '93

Don't know anything about this, but it's a definite Cypherpunk cause... the first question to ask would be whether they're in touch with LPF at all. ------- Forwarded Message

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User suggestion on MacPGP
by bwp＠mindvox.phantom.com 14 Aug '93

14 Aug '93

One of the best improvements implemented in MacPGP 2.3 was the ability for the user to enable an option that let PGP keep the key passphrase in memory so you don't have to re-type it each message. However, I have ran up against two problems with its implementation. 1). if you mis-type the passphrase, the incorrect phrase goes into memory and MacPGP takes it instead of putting back up a dialog box for you to re-try. The result of any mis-typed passphrase is therfore a bad passphrase error that you cannot recover from except by quitting and re-starting MacPGP. 2). if you try to generate another key pair after typing (or mis-typing) a passphrase, MacPGP takes the passphrase from memory and automatically applies it to the new secret key. This is inconvenient especially if the mis-typed phrase is so badly munged that the user cannot remember what she typed ;-). -bwp

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Pine
by Warren Keith Russell 14 Aug '93

14 Aug '93

R. Tait wrote the following: >Does anyone have elisp to integrate PGP into Emacs? I'm fed up of >having to use VI to send/receive all my encrypted mail, and there's no >point in me writing any code if someone already has. Which prompts me to ask: Is anyone out there using the Pine email software? If so, do you know of any way to integrate PGP into Pine? If not, any other ideas? I see a lot of signed messages out there, but the only way for me to send one is to shell out to AIX, use vi to create a message, run pgp to create the signed message, then run Pine and read the message in, at which point I can finally send it. Notice that this message isn't signed. It's just too much hassle! Thanks for any advice anyone can give me. Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith Russell Dynix Library Systems, Provo, Utah, U.S.A. keru(a)cpu.us.dynix.com or keru(a)devg.us.dynix.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Get Rush Limbaugh to mock Clipper phonez
by plmoses＠unix.cc.emory.edu 14 Aug '93

14 Aug '93

David Koontz sez, get some national figure to belittle the government. Well, Limbaugh does it for a living.....

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Anyone have the Gus Simmons paper?
by tcmay＠netcom.com 14 Aug '93

14 Aug '93

I recently scanned and OCRed the first part of the Gus Simmons preprint on subliminal channels in the Digital Signature System, then I posted this to the Cypherpunks list. Eric Hughes has asked me to scan in the whole paper and upload it the soda archives. (I cannot agree to OCR it all, however, as even my excellent OCR package cannot handle the many equations, subscripts, superscripts, etc. Eric proposes that I upload the raw TIFF file and then Cypherpunk volunteers can, if they wish, open the images and work on parts. Well, that's the theory.) But I can't find my copy anywhere! Also, a couple of people said a more recent revision is now circulating. So, could anyone who has a version--any version will do in a pinch, but the more recent the better--get in touch with me? Even better would be to bring it to the Cypherpunks meeting tomorrow (the Mountain View one). Thanks, -Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. Note: I put time and money into writing this posting. I hope you enjoy it.

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No Subject
by koontzd＠lrcs.loral.com 14 Aug '93

14 Aug '93

I used to have a collection of COMSEC posters, which were at best inane. Sort of in the same vein as a T shirt, how about: CRIPPLED PRIVACY: [ Artwork of MYK-78A ] / (or replace with Uncle SAM pointing finger) N ever S ay A nything you DON'T want overheard. or [ Artwork of MYK-78A ] (identifying legend) Cryptographically Secure from all but Government TYRANNY or Does PRIVACY have to be a choice between being eavesdropped on by anybody OR the U.S. GOVERNMENT? SECURE CRYPTO is the ultimate FREE SPEECH! or [ Artwork of Robot Cop, from THX 1138 ] [ speech bubble "Are you now, or have you ever been ... ? ] A country that can have the McCarthy Era has no business allowing its government to spy on its Citizens. BAN MANDATORY PHONE BUGS! or [ Artwork of SPY with headphones ] PRIVACY is not having to worry about being overheard by the government. FREE SPEECH doesn't end at the your phone handset. Unfortunately George Orwells 'Animal Farm' isn't widely enough read to us quotes for making the point. Its probably only applicable after the other shoe drops anyway. Did you notice that the artwork in Dorthy Dennings 'American Scientist' article showed a minority member with headsets listening to a decoded clipper phone conversation? One wonders if this was intended as a propoganda ploy to disarm as being Politically unCorrect (PUNC) critizism of the action? What we need is a national talk show host/comedian belittling the governments plan.

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Re: CA online legislative database access
by peb＠PROCASE.COM 14 Aug '93

14 Aug '93

I agree with sentiments against a direct democracy for all the reasons given and some extra reasons: laws should have expiration dates and a better feedback process is needed to determine whether particular laws are beneficial (hmm, sounds like PPL.) The real problem seems to be a general lack of education and wealth, but there is always the bell curve--such things will always be unevenly distributed. However, tracking proposed laws via the net creates the possibility of anyone being able to have a cheap lobbyist--the stuff can be posted and filtered, etc. This has nothing to do with people proposing stupid laws whenever they feel like it (this would require more significant legal changes). Paul E. Baclace peb(a)procase.com

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