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fingerprint keys over ham radio:
by Welcome to Addendia, Mr. Lee. 23-Apr-1993 1109 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

One thing to be careful of: Amateur radio must *not* use codes or cyphers to obscure meaning. All information transmission must be in the clear (not necessarily English, but no encryption of data). The one exception is this: codes and cyphers *may* be used to provide checksumming, error correction, and/or authentication. (examples- repeater control codes, autopatch codes, OSCAR control codes, etc. ) The meaning must still be in clear but you are allowed to send a authenticating "signature" in code, as long as the signature contains no information other than authentication itself that was not also transmitted in clear. That's why autopatch protocol requires you to say "I'm turning on the patch" before you transmit the (hopefully secret) autopatch control codes. Please keep this in mind- and be able to prove it to the FCC should they request it. It might even be worth announcing the "authentication only" mode at the start of your net, so both other amateurs and the FCC itself know what to expect. Posting software on a packet BBS for others to download and verify a "no hidden codes" status would probably be a reasonable action and a good protective measure. -Bill, N1KGX

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Re: CLIP: Legal Aspects
by jrk＠information-systems.east-anglia.ac.uk 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

George Gleason writes: >Clinton has expressed a commitment to civil rights causes, so I don't worryu >about his administration pullling another WAtergate or COINTELPRO, but if we >ever got another bunch of zealous authoritarians in there...! Pardon a perhaps clueless question from a foreigner, but how much control does the US president actually have over a potential bunch of zealous authoritarians elsewhere in the administration, especially in super-secret places like the NSA? How much control is it even possible for one person to hold? -- ____ Richard Kennaway \ _/__ School of Information Systems Internet: jrk(a)sys.uea.ac.uk \X / University of East Anglia uucp: ...mcsun!ukc!uea-sys!jrk \/ Norwich NR4 7TJ, U.K.

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Re: WIRETAP: boycotts
by tcmay＠netcom.com 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

George Gleason writes: >"AT&T: phones with Big Brother Built Inside!" > >-gg What a great little slogan! Those stickers that say "Intel Inside" could be modified to say something pithy like "Big Brother Inside." Crypto Yippies (Cryppies?) might even wander into stores like Fry's and paste them onto the AT&T phones on display. Professionally-made labels might even remain for months. Just another seditious thought. -Tim -- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, smashing of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: MailSafe and PGP available. Waco Massacre + Big Brother Wiretap Chip = A Nazi Regime

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MEET: Ad Hoc Washington meeting Saturday 4/24/93
by Bob Stratton 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

Washington, DC area ad hoc Cypherpunks meeting. Saturday, April 24, 1993 2:00 PM EDT -> not later than 8:00 PM EDT LOCATION: Unless I hear resounding acclaim for the Monday night meeting, I'm going to hold out our original offer of a Saturday meeting, April 24th, from 2:00PM until sometime not later than 8:00PM, at the offices of: InterCon Systems Corporation 950 Herndon Parkway Suite 420 Herndon, Virginia 22070 DIRECTIONS: InterCon is two blocks north of exit 2 on the Dulles Toll Road (Route 267). From the Beltway, take 267 West to exit 2 (Herndon), and make a right onto Eldon Street. Go through the traffic light at Herndon Parkway (there'll be a shopping center with a big Giant Food on your left), and make an immediate right into the office building on the corner of Eldon and Herndon Parkway labelled "Ford Center". Meet at the front entrance of the building where the Riggs Bank ATM is, and I'll come down and let you in. If you find a way, in, take the elevator to the 4th floor, and walk straight out of it to our office door, which you'll be looking at when the elevator doors open. NOTE: The building locks at 1PM. There is a security phone at the rear entrance, but you'll have to get them to find me, and I don't know what extension we'll be at, so the operative word is "punctuality". I'll make periodic sweeps to the FRONT entrance to look for people, but I can't canvass every door looking for people coming by later. If you come by, and don't see an easy way in, wait by the Riggs Bank ATM entrance, and someone will let you in. (I'll need volunteers to occasionally do that, BTW) COMMUNICATIONS: If you need to reach me, you can try the following: Office phone: +1 703 709 5525 Pager(VA): +1 703 826 5238 (Use an area code!) -or- if you're terribly confused or stranded, call: 800 225 0256, Pager ID: 209267 (This is an operator service, try to make it fit within 80 chars) Help stop the wiretap chip! (a.k.a "Clipper") RIPEM and PGP keys available on request.

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New disclosures on 2600 case (Forwarded message)
by fergp＠sytex.com 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Although it's not directly related to the cypherpunks agenda, I wanted to forward this message to the list to show the lengths that law enforcement agencies will go to do their bidding. Unfortunately, it would appear that we can expect more of the same shady behaviour in the future. 8<------ Begin forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 22:18:18 EST Reply-To: David Sobel <uunet!washofc.cpsr.org!dsobel> Sender: Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility <uunet!VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU!CPSR%GWUVM.BITNET> From: David Sobel <uunet!washofc.cpsr.org!dsobel> Organization: CPSR Civil Liberties and Computing Project Subject: New disclosures in 2600 case New disclosures in 2600 case As you may recall, last November at a shopping mall outside of Washington, DC, a group of people affiliated with the computer magazine "2600" was confronted by mall security personnel, local police officers and several unidentified individuals. The group members were ordered to identify themselves and to submit to searches of their personal property. Their names were recorded by mall security personnel and some of their property was confiscated. However, no charges were ever brought against any of the individuals at the meeting. Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility ("CPSR") filed suit under the Freedom of Information Act and today received the Secret Service's response to the FOIA lawsuit, in which we are seeking agency records concerning the break-up of the meeting. I think it's safe to say that our suspicions have now been confirmed -- the Secret Service *did* obtain a list of names from mall security identifying the people in attendance at the meeting. There are three main points contained in the Secret Service's court papers that are significant: 1) The agency states that the information it possesses concerning the incident was obtained "in the course of a criminal investigation that is being conducted pursuant to the Secret Service's authority to investigate access device and computer fraud." 2) The agency possesses two relevant documents and the information in those documents "consists solely of information identifying individuals." 3) The information was obtained from a "confidential source," and the agency emphasizes that the FOIA's definition of such a source includes "any private institution which provided information on a confidential basis." Taken together, these facts seem to prove that the Secret Service wanted names, they had the mall security people collect them, and they came away from the incident with the list they wanted. The agency asserts that "[t]he premature release of the identities of the individual(s) at issue could easily result in interference to the Secret Service's investigation by alerting these individual(s) that they are under investigation and thus allowing the individual(s) to alter their behavior and/or evidence." CPSR, in conjunction with EFF and the ACLU, is planning to challenge the actions of the mall security personnel, the local police and the Secret Service on the ground that the incident amounted to a warrantless search and seizure conducted at the behest of the Secret Service. David Sobel CPSR Legal Counsel dsobel(a)washofc.cpsr.org 8<------ End of forwarded message ------- Cheers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQCVAgUBK9gSjpRLcZSdHMBNAQG2EwP/VKX6j0F90NYWyfiyyP5C0gjtBVXG1ed4 AzETLqMOVnG+vjRS6h6cSTwoojJHhKhAmQGmW8gDlp98KLRAiY2ULMmxaMTA/cKW jIuECDaKLdA21lPgcPhvKsAqQEHPBv1AALA6WTSeGQ6IRlugPfXE4LX+TBYH6/Q7 f69b7sJZgZ8= =Ou0Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Paul Ferguson | Uncle Sam wants to read Network Integration Consultant | your e-mail... Centreville, Virginia USA | Just say "NO" to the Clipper fergp(a)sytex.com | Chip...

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DC Digs
by fergp＠sytex.com 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

On Thu, 22 Apr 1993 19:26:59 -0400, Bob Stratton <uunet!intercon.com!strat> wrote - BS> I'm more than willing to defer to the majority, though I think BS> there's something to be said for networking the meetings, BS> especially if we have good tools. I've also already received a BS> great deal of response to the idea of a Saturday meeting, even BS> from out-of-towners. To that end, I'm going to post an BS> announcement for a Saturday meeting, and see what happens. BS> Several of us have been planning it for a couple of days now, BS> so don't take it personally or anything. BS> Eric and I have discussed the idea of audio teleconferencing the BS> various meetings, either via the Internet or by phone. I've got BS> both a Sun IPC equipped to do the former, and a Western Electric BS> conference telephone (and 6-way on my switch) for the latter. BS> Well readers, which do you prefer? I'll be there Saturday -- all of you should know by now that (at least for the time being) I'm out-of-town on Mondays (and every other weekday). Also, I just read a message announcing the Boston (Cambridge) area meeting tomorrow as well, along with mention of an electronic conference call to the west coast group. See you there. Cheers. Paul Ferguson | Uncle Sam wants to read Network Integration Consultant | your e-mail... Centreville, Virginia USA | Just say "NO" to the Clipper fergp(a)sytex.com | Chip...

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radio fingerprinting
by grady＠netcom.com 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

As N1KGX (William S. Yerazuni of Marloboro MA) points out, echanging PGP fingerprints rather than encrypting messages is completely permitted by FCC regulations (97.113 in particular). Also, amateurs particpating in tomorrow's net are reminded of the callsign server telnet callsign.cs.buffalo.edu 2000 in case their radios are near their net links... you can verify fingerprint, name, call, address, phone, or whatever coevally. Saturday 4/23/93 at 17:00 UTC > (10 am PDT). I'd like to contact as many > of you as possible from my modest station > in Humboldt County California. > > For Bay area people, let's try 7265 Mhz; > for people elsewhere in the United States and > elsewhere in the world, conditons permitting, > how about 14.335 at 17:30 UTC. +-for QRM? 73 de KD6ETH/KN6CP Grady Ward

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re:Suits
by Arthur Abraham 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

Though these missives were much longer than I'd like, they were extremely interesting, with good points on each side.... ...I seem to come down more on Tim's since "cypherpunks" is just a mailing list, and I just can't get scared or insulted by ASCII no matter how hard I try. And the name might wakeup an sleepy reader in a print article. In person (Perry's argument) a mailing list doesn't/can't have a reprentative, else Dotty could subscribe and pass herself off as a list member/representative. Actually, people just represent themselves, and have to be aware of how effective a presenter of their message they are no matter what they are doing. -a2.

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Family Key
by Arthur Abraham 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

At this time, there is no reason not to assume that every LE agency will have access to the family key. In the future there is every reason to expect that all LE agencies will develope a pressing need for family key(s) and decrypto equiptment. In the past in Nazi Germany, this sort of traffic analysis applied to telephone call records allowed the LE agencies to round up cells of resistance. To this day, such records are not kept in Germany. -a2. ..

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Exchange fingerprints via radio
by grady＠netcom.com 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

For other radio amateurs who are readers of this list I'd like to try an experiment in alternative (to the telephone) communication tomorrow, Saturday 4/23/93 at 17:00 UTC (10 am PDT). I'd like to contact as many of you as possible from my modest station in Humboldt County California. For Bay area people, let's try 7265 Mhz; for people elsewhere in the United States and elsewhere in the world, conditons permitting, how about 14.335 at 17:30 UTC. +-for QRM? I will be running 100w into a vertical, call is KN6CP I will be asking for checkins for the "Cypherpunks Net". For those interested, we can do key fingerprint exchanges at this time. Of course non-hams are free to listen on those frequencies (lower SSB for 7265, upper SSB for 14.335). I'd like to explore alternative communications nexi if for example the internet is down for some unforseen reason :-(. 73 de kn6cp Grady grady(a)netcom.com

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