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RE: Phrack Back Issues
by Paul Goggin 05 May '93

05 May '93

Anthony Gatlin <x62727g2(a)usma8.usma.edu> asks, > What is ZENGERE magazine and where can I get info on it? Never heard of it and I to would like to know. > Does anyone have back issues of Phrack and how can I get them? ftp ftp.eff.org cd pub/cud/phrack binary mget * -- R O All Comments Copyright by | Technofetisht A N Paul S. Goggin (1993) | Cypher, Cyber, Chaos V Information Broker | Ergoflux, Interzone E chaos(a)aql.gatech.edu | Carpe Diem: Stop the Clipper wiretap chip Finger account for latest _Phrack_ | Public Key: PGP and RIPEM available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Title 18 USC 2511 and 18 USC 2703 Protected -- Monitoring Absolutely Forbidden

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Privacy and Prices of Privacy
by uni＠acs.bu.edu 05 May '93

05 May '93

ejo(a)world.std.com spoke thus: WARNING: The following post, I realize, assumes that we all agree that we should all have the right to buy and sell and take any chemicals we damn well please. In Extropians, you don't have to mention this. In the world at large, this elicits wide eyed stares, and sputtering noises of disbelief. ( I recall someone being willing to give up some privacy for 'less crack in the schools.' Sorry. Not a good enough reason to give up one whit of privacy.) End Quote. That was me. Specifically I said: I have a feeling that there are like minded people out there, people who can tolerate some violations of absolute privacy in exchange for feeling that every plane you ride on is not at risk because of some psycho, and that less coke is going to find its way to schools. But who cannot tolerate AUTHORATARIAN regimes, and practices to make these assurances. End Quote Sure, if YOU want to grow coco plants and harvest and process them for your own use, I don't have a problem with that. That's your business. If you want to process it into base, crack in effect, go ahead. I don't really have a problem with that either. Frankly I don't have a problem with the legalization of cocaine, I'm indifferent. I wouldn't use any, but I'm not going to stop anyone else from it. I am not quite libertarian enough however to support the sale of refined coke out there. I think this is a pragmatic point, based on what is practical as far as soceity goes. I WILL say that I can't support authoratarian moves to prevent it. Makeing exceptions for wiretap laws on drugdealers is bullshit. Follow the constitution at all times IMHO, no exceptions. If you can't catch em without invading privacy then they aren't enough of a public problem to worry about. To me this does NOT include drug sniffing dogs at the airport. I really am not much offended by THIS practice. Border control has been a standby for soverignty for as long as borders have been drawn. Fine. We're getting a touch out of the scope of the list however so I will finish by saying that it is entirely impossible to grant ABSOLUTE privacy, and I'm not asking for it. I just don't want to be numbered, tracked, watched, listened to when I am minding my own business in my house. uni

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Selling Pointers to Privacy
by Edward J OConnell 05 May '93

05 May '93

WARNING: The following post, I realize, assumes that we all agree that we should all have the right to buy and sell and take any chemicals we damn well please. In Extropians, you don't have to mention this. In the world at large, this elicits wide eyed stares, and sputtering noises of disbelief. ( I recall someone being willing to give up some privacy for 'less crack in the schools.' Sorry. Not a good enough reason to give up one whit of privacy.) SELLING 'OFF THE SHELF' PRIVACY TO THOSE THAT WOULD PAY FOR IT... (Providing Pointers, that is...) I've been thinking about this PGP thing. Playing with it has been a lot of fun, (The ultimate secret decoder ring!) and has made me wonder, who *needs* this kind of security that doesn't have it already? Who would pay for it? Who wouldn't care too much about the legalities? Mid to large scale drug dealers, that's who! I began to think of things I could do with off the shelf hardware and software. Ease of use is important--I don't think many drug dealers are going to want to mess around with command line interfaces--So I started playing with the idea of a voicemail/answering machine type thing, using macs with built in microphones, modems, telecom software, etc. Maybe use hypercard to create a single application with a phone book, so that they would just double click on someone's name, and talk into the microphone. Hit a button to end the message, and then hit, SEND. The hypercard stack compresses and encrypts using PGP the voice file, which is decompressed and encrypted automatically at the other end, maybe producing a blinking button with that persons name on it, and the time of the call. The interface design would be fun, actually. Asynchronous, but perhaps useful enough? (With a 1.44 modem and the 6/1 compression rate of my shareware voice recorder, it would take about 2 minutes to modem a minutes worth of message--not too bad, really.) I think it might be interesting to typeset a booklet describing how to do this, and try to sell it in the back of magazines--maybe Rolling Stones and High Times. The booklet might just be pointers to the hardware and software needed, and the few skills the client would have to acquire. You could sell the "ease of use" hypercard stack through the booklet, too. You could wait and see if the thing takes off before actually making the stack. I've also thought, that you could sell phone support to people who are trying to get this type of thing going. I'm less enthusiastic about this; it seems like this would be a good way to get busted. Of course, the legality of this hinges on the legality of PGP. I've read some stuff about the copyright infringment aspect, and have seen on Extropians, a legal action threatened against someone who was advertising PGP in a big way. Any thoughts? I'm halfway serious about this. Perhaps it could exist in the same sort of quasilegal half-life as bongs, psyloycybin spore logs, and automatic weapon conversion kits--sure, it's illegal to use this stuff I'm selling, but I'm not selling illegality...I'm just selling the stuff! First Draft of Ad: PHONE WITHOUT FEAR Did you know that personal computers can be used to communicate with others with absolute privacy? That free public domain software exists that cannot be cracked? Not even by the CIA? For plans for a user friendly, voice-mail encryption system send 10.00 money order to: Jay. Maybe. If I don't chicken out. ;-) __________________________________ Albert Einstein--"God does not play dice with the universe." Me--"No, he plays Super-Scratch-Card-Wingo (TM)

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ZENGER Magazine
by x62727g2＠usma8.USMA.EDU 05 May '93

05 May '93

What is ZENGERE magazine and where can I get info on it? Does anyone have back issues of Phrack and how can I get them? "The NSA's version of strong crypto is crypto that they have the key for." Anthony J. Gatlin |-------------------------------------| Cadet Private, Co. G-2 |PGP Public Key available on request. | United States Military Academy |-------------------------------------|

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No CFV for soc.whistleblowers
by Clark Reynard 05 May '93

05 May '93

Based on the responses of a few cypherpunk members, I have decided not to post a second RFD for soc.whistleblowers unless I receive a significant amount of email requesting that I do so. Nor will I post a CFV. I will simply let the matter be pigeonholed indefinitely. While I find the imputation that I ought to be executed as an Enemy of the People both offensive and absurd, it seems that I could be acting retrogressively, though no sane reason why I am doing so has been presented to me. In either case, I will allow others to continue their efforts, and would be pleased to help in whatever manner I can, but do not wish to foment further splintering of what is already a divided group. I thank you for your support, and request that anyone with any further comment on the matter mail it to me in personal mail, unless it is of interest to the group at large. If interest warrants, or opinion seems different than what I understand it to be, I reserve the right to change my mind. ---- Robert W. Clark Just Say No! to the rclark(a)nyx.cs.du.edu Big Brother Chip

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Re: REQUEST: Info on email accounts
by baumbach＠atmel.com 05 May '93

05 May '93

I hope this is the kind of thing you're looking for. :-) ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From kaminski(a)netcom.com Sun Apr 25 14:39:32 1993 Reply-To: kaminski(a)netcom.com Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 10:49:13 -0700 From: kaminski(a)netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) To: PDIAL Mailing List <kaminski(a)netcom.com> Subject: PDIAL011, 23 April 1993 Content-Length: 34539 You're on the mailing list to receive new PDIAL editions as they come out; here's the latest! For problems, email me at <kaminski(a)netcom.com> (preferred) or 71053.2155(a)compuserve.com. Thanks for your interest! Pete ================ New in PDIAL011: New provider: nwnexus (206) New points of presence: netcom (206) (503) Updated info: csn, msen; section on 800 rates ---- cut here ---- The Public Dialup Internet Access List (PDIAL) ============================================== File PDIAL011.TXT -- 23 April 1993 A list of public access service providers offering dialup access to outgoing Internet connections such as FTP and telnet. Copyright 1992-1993 Peter Kaminski. May be distributed but not sold -- see notice at the end of this document. Or, tell people to email "Send PDIAL" to "info-deli-server(a)netcom.com". Contents: -1- Summary: Providers With Wide Area Access -2- Summary: Area Codes For US/Canada Dialins -3- Summary: Phone Prefixes For International Dialins -4- What *Is* The Internet? -5- What The PDIAL Is -6- List of Providers -7- How People Can Get The PDIAL (This List) -8- Appendix A: Finding Public Data Network (PDN) Access Numbers -9- Copyright and Distribution Of The PDIAL; Other Notices Subject headers below are formatted so this list may be read as a digest by USENET newsreaders that support digests. Example commands: rn, "control-G" skips to next section; nn, "G%" presents as a digest. Sections may also be located by searching for the desired section number string (e.g. "-1-") from the list above. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PDIAL -1- Subject: Summary: Providers With Wide Area Access PDN delphi, holonet, michnet, portal, psi-gds, psilink, well, world 800 class, cns, crl, csn, dial-n-cerf-usa, jvnc, OARnet "PDN" means the provider is accessible through a public data network (check the listings below for which network); note that many PDNs listed offer access outside North America as well as within North America. Check with the provider or the PDN for more details. "800" means the provider is accessible via a "toll-free" US phone number. The phone company will not charge for the call, but the service provider will add a surcharge to cover the cost of the 800 service. This may be more expensive than other long-distance options. ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -2- Subject: Summary: Area Codes for US/Canada Dialins If you are not local to any of these providers, it's still likely you are able to access those providers available through a public data network (PDN). Check the section above for providers with wide area access. 201 jvnc-tiger 202 express, grebyn 203 jvnc-tiger 206 eskimo, halcyon, netcom, nwnexus 212 mindvox, panix 213 dial-n-cerf, netcom 214 metronet 215 jvnc-tiger, PREPnet 216 OARnet, wariat 301 express, grebyn 303 cns, csn 310 dial-n-cerf, netcom 312 ddsw1 313 michnet, MSen 401 anomaly, ids, jvnc-tiger 408 a2i, netcom, portal 410 express 412 PREPnet, telerama 415 crl, dial-n-cerf, netcom, portal, well 419 OARnet 503 netcom 508 anomaly, nearnet 510 dial-n-cerf, holonet, netcom 513 OARnet 514 CAM.ORG 516 jvnc-tiger 517 michnet 603 nearnet 609 jvnc-tiger 614 OARnet 616 michnet 617 delphi, nearnet, world 619 cyber, dial-n-cerf, netcom 703 express, grebyn 704 rock-concert 707 crl 708 ddsw1 713 sugar 714 dial-n-cerf 717 PREPnet 718 mindvox, panix 719 cns, csn, oldcolo 814 PREPnet 815 ddsw1 818 dial-n-cerf, netcom 906 michnet 908 jvnc-tiger 916 netcom 919 rock-concert These are area codes local to the dialups, although some prefixes in the area codes listed may not be local to the dialups. Check your phone book or with your phone company. Most providers listed here are also accessible by packet-switched data services such as PC Pursuit ($30/month for 30 hours off-peak 2400 bps access -- call 800-736-1130 for more information), traditional long distance services, and of course telnet. ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -3- Subject: Summary: Phone Prefixes for International Dialins If you are not local to any of these providers, there is still a chance you are able to access those providers available through a public data network (PDN). Check the section above for providers with wide area access, and send email to them to ask about availability. +61 2 connect.com.au +61 3 connect.com.au +44 (0)81 ibmpcug ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -4- Subject: What *Is* The Internet? The Internet is a global cooperative network of university, corporate, government, and private computers, all communicating with each other by means of something called TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol). Computers directly on the Internet can exchange data quickly and easily with any other computer on the Internet to download files, send email, provide remote logins, etc. Users can download files from publicly accessible archive sites ("anonymous FTP"); login into remote computers (telnet or rlogin); chat in real-time with other users around the world (Internet Relay Chat); or use the newest information retrieval tools to find a staggering variety of information (Wide Area Information Servers, Gopher, World Wide Web). Computers directly on the Internet also exchange email directly and very quickly; email is usually delivered in seconds between Internet sites. Sometimes the Internet is confused with other related networks or types of networking. First, there are other ways to be "connected to the Internet" without being directly connected as a TCP/IP node. Some computers connect via UUCP or other means at regular intervals to an Internet site to exchange email and USENET newsgroups, for instance. Such a site can provide email (though not as quickly as a directly connected systems) and USENET access, but not Internet downloads, remote logins, etc. "email" (or "Internet email", "netmail") can be exchanged with a wide variety of systems connected directly and indirectly to the Internet. The email may travel solely over the Internet, or it may traverse other networks and systems. "USENET" is the collection of computers all over the world that exchange USENET news -- thousands of "newsgroups" (like forums, or echos) on a wide range of topics. The newsgroup articles are distributed all over the world to USENET sites that wish to carry them (sometimes over the Internet, sometimes not), where people read and respond to them. The "NSFNET" is one of the backbones of the Internet in the US. It is funded by the NSF, which restricts traffic over the NSFNET to "open research and education in and among US research and instructional institutions, plus research arms of for-profit firms when engaged in open scholarly communication and research." Your Internet provider can give you more details about acceptable use, and alternatives should you need to use the Internet in other ways. ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -5- Subject: What The PDIAL Is This is a list of Internet service providers offering public access dialins and outgoing Internet access (ftp, telnet, etc.). Most of them provide email and USENET news and other services as well. If one of these systems is not accessible to you and you need email or USENET access, but *don't* need ftp or telnet, you have many more public access systems from which to choose. Public access systems without ftp or telnet are *not* listed in this list, however. See the nixpub (alt.bbs, comp.misc) list and other BBS lists. Some of these providers offer time-shared access to a shell or BBS program on a computer connected directly to the Internet, through which you can FTP or telnet to other systems on the Internet. Usually other services are provided as well. Generally, you need only a modem and terminal or terminal emulator to access these systems. Check for "shell", "bbs", or "menu" on the "services" line. Other providers connect you directly to the Internet via SLIP or PPP when you dial in. For these you need a computer system capable of running the software to interface with the Internet, e.g., a Unix machine, PC, or Mac. Check for "SLIP", or "PPP" on the services line. While I have included all sites for which I have complete information, this list is surely incomplete. Please send any additions or corrections to "kaminski(a)netcom.com". ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -6- Subject: List of Providers Fees are for personal dialup accounts with outgoing Internet access; most sites have other classes of service with other rate structures as well. Most support email and netnews along with the listed services. "Long distance: provided by user" means you need to use services such as PC Pursuit, direct dial long distance or other long distance services. << a2i >> name ----------> a2i communications dialup --------> 408-293-9010 (v.32, v.32 bis) or 408-293-9020 (PEP) 'guest' area codes ----> 408 local access --> CA: Campbell, Los Altos, Los Gatos, Moutain View, San Jose, Santa Clara, Saratoga, Sunnyvale long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, feeds fees ----------> $20/month or $45/3 months or $72/6 months email ---------> info(a)rahul.net voice ---------> n/a ftp more info -> ftp.rahul.net:/pub/BLURB << anomaly >> name ----------> Anomaly - Rhode Island's Gateway To The Internet dialup --------> 401-331-3706 (v.32) or 401-455-0347 (PEP) area codes ----> 401, 508 local access --> RI: Providence/Seekonk Zone long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, SLIP fees ----------> Commercial: $125/6 months or $200/year; Educational: $75/6 months or $125/year email ---------> info(a)anomaly.sbs.risc.net voice ---------> 401-273-4669 ftp more info -> anomaly.sbs.risc.net:/anomaly.info/access.zip << CAM.ORG >> name ----------> Communications Accessibles Montreal dialup --------> 514-281-5601 (v.32 bis, HST) 514-738-3664 (PEP), 514-923-2103 (ZyXeL 19.2K) 514-466-0592 (v.32) area codes ----> 514 local access --> QC: Montreal, Laval, South-Shore, West-Island long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, feeds, SLIP, PPP, FAX gateway fees ----------> $25/month Cdn. email ---------> info(a)CAM.ORG voice ---------> 514-923-2102 ftp more info -> n/a << class >> name ----------> Cooperative Library Agency for Systems and Services dialup --------> contact for number; NOTE: CLASS serves libraries/information distributors only area codes ----> 800 local access --> anywhere (800) service is available long distance -> included services ------> ftp, telnet, gopher, wais, hytelnet fees ----------> $10.50/hour + $150/year for first account + $50/year each additional account + $135/year CLASS membership email ---------> class(a)class.org voice ---------> 800-488-4559 fax -----------> 408-453-5379 ftp more info -> n/a << cns >> name ----------> Community News Service dialup --------> 719-520-1700 id 'new', passwd 'newuser' area codes ----> 303, 719, 800 local access --> CO: Colorado Springs, Denver; continental US/800 long distance -> 800 or provided by user services ------> UNIX shell, email, ftp, telnet, irc, USENET, Clarinet, gopher fees ----------> $1/hour; $10/month minimum + $35 signup email ---------> klaus(a)cscns.com voice ---------> 719-579-9120 ftp more info -> n/a << connect.com.au >> name ----------> connect.com.au pty ltd dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> +61 3, +61 2 local access --> Australia: Melbourne, Sydney long distance -> provided by user services ------> SLIP, PPP, ISDN, UUCP, ftp, telnet, NTP, FTPmail fees ----------> AUS$2000/year (1 hour/day), 10% discount for AUUG members; other billing negotiable email ---------> connect(a)connect.com.au voice ---------> +61 3 5282239 fax -----------> +61 3 5285887 ftp more info -> ftp.connect.com.au << crl >> name ----------> CR Laboratories Dialup Internet Access dialup --------> 415-389-UNIX area codes ----> 415, 707, 800 local access --> CA: San Francisco Bay Area; continental US/800 long distance -> 800 or provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, feeds, SLIP, WAIS fees ----------> $19.50/month + $15.00 signup email ---------> info(a)crl.com voice ---------> 415-381-2800 ftp more info -> n/a << csn >> name ----------> Colorado SuperNet, Inc. dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> 303, 719, 800 local access --> CO: Alamosa, Boulder/Denver, Colorado Springs, Durango, Fort Collins, Frisco, Glenwood Springs/Aspen, Grand Junction, Greeley, Gunnison, Pueblo, Telluride; anywhere 800 service is available long distance -> provided by user or 800 services ------> shell or menu, UUCP, SLIP, 56K, ISDN, T1; ftp, telnet, irc, gopher, WAIS, domains, anonymous ftp space, email-to-fax fees ----------> $1/hour off-peak, $3/hour peak ($250 max/month) + $20 signup, $5/hr surcharge for 800 use email ---------> info(a)csn.org voice ---------> 303-273-3471 fax -----------> 303-273-3475 ftp more info -> csn.org:/CSN/reports/DialinInfo.txt off-peak ------> midnight to 6am << cyber >> name ----------> The Cyberspace Station dialup --------> (619) 634-1376 'guest' area codes ----> 619 local access --> CA: San Diego long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, irc fees ----------> $15/month + $10 startup or $60 for six months email ---------> help(a)cyber.net voice ---------> ftp more info -> n/a << ddsw1 >> name ----------> 'ddsw1', MCSNet dialup --------> (312) 248-0900 V.32bis/V.32, 248-6295 (PEP), follow prompts area codes ----> 312, 708, 815 local access --> IL: Chicago long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, feeds, email, irc, gopher fees ----------> $25/month or $65/3 months email ---------> info(a)ddsw1.mcs.com voice ---------> n/a ftp more info -> n/a << delphi >> name ----------> DELPHI dialup --------> (800) 365-4636 'JOINDELPHI password:INTERNETSIG' area codes ----> 617, PDN local access --> MA: Boston; KS: Kansas City long distance -> Sprintnet or Tymnet: $9/hour weekday business hours, no charge nights and weekends services ------> ftp, telnet, feeds, user groups, wire services, member conferencing fees ----------> $10/month for 4 hours or $20/month for 20 hours + $3/month for Internet services email ---------> walthowe(a)delphi.com voice ---------> 800-544-4005 ftp more info -> n/a << dial-n-cerf >> name ----------> DIAL n' CERF or DIAL n' CERF AYC dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> 213, 310, 415, 510, 619, 714, 818 local access --> CA: Los Angeles, Oakland, San Diego, Irvine, Pasadena, Palo Alto long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, menu, irc, ftp, hytelnet, gopher, WAIS, WWW, terminal service, SLIP fees ----------> $5/hour ($3/hour on weekend) + $20/month + $50 startup OR $250/month flat for AYC email ---------> help(a)cerf.net voice ---------> 800-876-2373 or 619-455-3900 ftp more info -> nic.cerf.net:/cerfnet/dial-n-cerf/ off-peak ------> Weekend: 5pm Friday to 5pm Sunday << dial-n-cerf-usa >> name ----------> DIAL n' CERF USA dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> 800 local access --> anywhere (800) service is available long distance -> included services ------> shell, menu, irc, ftp, hytelnet, gopher, WAIS, WWW, terminal service, SLIP fees ----------> $10/hour ($8/hour on weekend) + $20/month email ---------> help(a)cerf.net voice ---------> 800-876-2373 or 619-455-3900 ftp more info -> nic.cerf.net:/cerfnet/dial-n-cerf/ off-peak ------> Weekend: 5pm Friday to 5pm Sunday << eskimo >> name ----------> Eskimo North dialup --------> 206-367-3837 300-2400 bps, 206-362-6731 for 9600/14.4k, 206-742-1150 World Blazer area codes ----> 206 local access --> WA: Seattle, Everett long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet fees ----------> $10/month or $96/year email ---------> nanook(a)eskimo.com voice ---------> 206-367-7457 ftp more info -> n/a << express >> name ----------> Express Access - Online Communications Service dialup --------> 301-220-0462, 410-766-1855 'new' area codes ----> 202, 301, 410, 703 local access --> Northern VA, Baltimore MD, Washington DC long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, irc fees ----------> $25/month or $250/year email ---------> info(a)digex.com voice ---------> 301-220-2020 ftp more info -> n/a << grebyn >> name ----------> Grebyn Corporation dialup --------> 703-281-7997, 'apply' area codes ----> 202, 301, 703 local access --> Northern VA, Southern MD, Washington DC long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet fees ----------> $30/month email ---------> info(a)grebyn.com voice ---------> 703-281-2194 ftp more info -> n/a << halcyon >> name ----------> Halcyon dialup --------> (206) 382-6245 'new', 8N1 area codes ----> 206 local access --> Seattle, WA long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, telnet, ftp, bbs, irc, gopher, hytelnet fees ----------> $200/year, or $60/quarter + $10 start-up email ---------> info(a)halcyon.com voice ---------> 206-955-1050 ftp more info -> halcyon.com:~/pub/waffle/info << holonet >> name ----------> HoloNet dialup --------> (510) 704-1058 area codes ----> 510, PDN local access --> Berkeley, CA long distance -> [per hour, off-peak/peak] Bay Area: $0.50/$0.95; PSINet A: $0.95/$1.95; PSINet B: $2.50/$6.00; Tymnet: $3.75/$7.50 services ------> ftp, telnet, irc, games fees ----------> $2/hour off-peak, $4/hour peak; $6/month or $60/year minimum email ---------> info(a)holonet.net voice ---------> 510-704-0160 ftp more info -> holonet.net:/info/ off-peak ------> 5pm to 8am + weekends and holidays << ibmpcug >> name ----------> UK PC User Group dialup --------> +44 (0)81 863 6646 area codes ----> +44 (0)81 local access --> London, England long distance -> provided by user services ------> ftp, telnet, bbs, irc, feeds fees ----------> GBPounds 15.50/month or 160/year + 10 startup (no time charges) email ---------> info(a)ibmpcug.co.uk voice ---------> +44 (0)81 863 6646 ftp more info -> n/a << ids >> name ----------> The IDS World Network dialup --------> (401) 884-9002, (401) 785-1067 area codes ----> 401 local access --> East Greenwich, RI; northern RI long distance -> provided by user services ------> ftp, telnet, SLIP, feeds, bbs fees ----------> $10/month or $50/half year or $100/year email ---------> sysadmin(a)ids.net voice ---------> 401-884-7856 ftp more info -> ids.net:/ids.net << jvnc-tiger >> name ----------> The John von Neumann Computer Network - Dialin' Tiger dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> 201, 203, 215, 401, 516, 609, 908 local access --> Princeton & Newark, NJ; Philadelphia, PA; Garden City, NY; Bridgeport, New Haven, & Storrs, CT; Providence, RI long distance -> provided by user services ------> ftp, telnet, SLIP, feeds, optional shell fees ----------> $99/month + $99 startup (PC or Mac SLIP software included -- shell is additional $21/month) email ---------> info(a)jvnc.net voice ---------> (800) 35-TIGER, (609) 258-2400 ftp more info -> n/a << jvnc >> name ----------> The John von Neumann Computer Network - Tiger Mail & Dialin' Terminal dialup --------> contact for number area codes ----> 800 local access --> anywhere (800) service is available long distance -> included services ------> email and newsfeed or terminal access only fees ----------> $19/month + $10/hour + $36 startup (PC or Mac SLIP software included) email ---------> info(a)jvnc.net voice ---------> (800) 35-TIGER, (609) 258-2400 ftp more info -> n/a << metronet >> name ----------> Texas Metronet dialup --------> 214-705-2902 9600bps, 214-705-2917 2400bps, 'info/info' or 'signup/signup' area codes ----> 214 local access --> TX: Dallas long distance -> provided by user services ------> shell, ftp, telnet, feeds, SLIP fees ----------> $10-$50/month + $20-$30 startup email ---------> srl(a)metronet.com / 73157.1323(a)compuserve.com / GEnie:S.LINEBARG voice ---------> 214-401-2800 fax -----------> 214-401-2802 ( 8am-5pm CST weekdays ) ftp more info -> n/a << michnet >> name ----------> Merit Network, Inc. -- MichNet project dialup --------> contact for number or telnet hermes.merit.edu and type 'help' at 'Which host?' prompt area codes ----> 313, 517, 616, 906, PDN local access --> Michigan; Boston, MA; Wash. DC long distance -> SprintNet, Autonet, Michigan Bell packet-switch network services ------> telnet, SLIP, PPP, outbound SprintNet, Autonet and Ann Arbor dialout fees ----------> $35/month + $40 signup ($10/month for K-12 & libraries in Michigan) email ---------> info(a)merit.edu voice ---------> 313-764-9430 ftp more info -> nic.merit.edu:/ << mindvox >> name ----------> MindVOX dialup --------> (212) 988-5030 'mindvox' 'guest' area codes ----> 212, 718 local access --> NY: New York City long distance -> provided by user services ------> conferencing system ftp, telnet, irc, gopher, hytelnet, Archives, BBS fees ----------> $15-$20/month. 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IMPORTANT NOTE: Unless noted otherwise, set your modem to 7E1 (7 data bits, even parity, 1 stop bit) when dialing to look up access numbers by modem as instructed below. BT Tymnet --------- For information and local access numbers, call 800-937-2862 (voice) or 215-666-1770 (voice). To look up access numbers by modem, dial a local access number, hit <cr> and 'a', and enter "information" at the "please log in:" prompt. Compuserve Packet Network ------------------------- You do NOT have to be a Compuserve member to use the CPN to dial other services. For information and local access numbers, call 800-848-8199 (voice). To look up access numbers by modem, dial a local access number, hit <cr> and enter "PHONES" at the "Host Name:" prompt. PC Pursuit (SprintNet) ---------------------- PC Pursuit may be used to call a modem in any of 44 major metro areas in the US from local access numbers around the country. As such, it can be used to access most of the providers listed in the PDIAL (those with no other PDN access or even those which are accessible by other PDNs). For information and registration, call 800-736-1130 (voice) or 800-877-2006 (data). More information is also available on the PC Pursuit support BBS (see below). To look up access numbers by modem, dial 800-546-1000, hit <cr><cr><cr> at 1200 baud or '@'<cr><cr> at 2400 baud. Enter "MAIL" at the "@" prompt, then "PHONES" at the "USER NAME:" prompt, and "PHONES" at the "PASSWORD:" prompt. The PC Pursuit support BBS provides a great deal of information about PC Pursuit, including rates, terms and conditions, outdial numbers, etc. To access the PC Pursuit support BBS, dial a local access number and hit <cr><cr><cr> at 1200 baud or '@'<cr><cr> at 2400 baud. Change modem parameters to 8N1, and enter "C PURSUIT" at the "@" prompt. PSINet ------ For information, call 800-82PSI82 (voice) or 703-620-6651 (voice), or send email to "all-info(a)psi.com". For a list of local access numbers send email to "numbers-info(a)psi.com". ------------------------------ From: PDIAL -9- Subject: Copyright and Distribution Of The PDIAL; Other Notices This Document Copyright 1992-1993 Peter Kaminski. This document may be distributed in its entirety by any means, and a fee may be charged for its distribution, but it may not be sold without prior permission. I make no representations about the suitability or accuracy of this document for any purpose. It is provided "as is" without express or implied warranty. UPDATES AND CORRECTIONS: Send new or updated entries in the format used here to "kaminski(a)netcom.com". 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An answer and a question
by uni＠acs.bu.edu 04 May '93

04 May '93

First, with regard to privacy being free. I agree, than in an ideal society privacy would be considered a right, and no effort would be required to insure it. In my view it is necessary for the state to insure this right. This goes to the "if you were ever made dictator of a small island nation, what would be your first decrees?" Well, mine would be something to the effect of this: That we the citizens of unissa might preserve the individuality and freedom of the populous, prevent tyrrany and authortarian tactics, promote the right of men and women to develop in their own direction s, as this is most conducive to the rise of a great nation, I hereby decree that it shall be the unalienable right of citizens to hold their personal and public actions and duties in confidence. Further it shall be made to pass that the burden of ensuring such confidentiality shall rest on the state, and the state shall pass no law or decree that violates this right. Unfortunately, we all know that this is classified as "fantasy" I'd love for it to happen, and I would be quite proud to offer citizenship to all the cypherpunks (well most of you :) ) but in the words of a great man I once knew... "It Ain't gonna happen...." Privacy isn't free, you have to work for it in this country. I don't mind that. I sort of like the process. I have a problem when the state ACTIVELY tries to ELIMINATE privacy. I have an even WORSE problem when the state does so by serapitious means. I am disgusted by what's happening with regard to press releases and complicity of large corporations who are basically selling us out for a profit (A-hem T-eeem an-hem-d T-hem) I realized something suddenly that made me feel like I am growing more and more paranoid by the hour by the way. I noticed for the first time that these AT&T commercials that are airing lately have distinct propaganda trends... I never noticed it before but think about it. Lots of talk about freedom, individual plans, and a MAJOR ad campaign on T.V. complete with Arethra (sp) Franklin singing "Freedom....Freedom... FREEDOM!" Does this strike anyone else as odd or am I going crazy? I think I'm turning into a liberal! I can't take it! Look, it's obvious that security and liberty are a trade off. I'm an international relations schloar, with a concentration in intelligence, so that's not a leap of logic for me. What I don't understand is this: Of late, terrorist acts have been on the DECLINE. The world trade center was a big one, sure. But it's not the whole picture. So why the push now? We really don't NEED more security in the form of clipper and FBI bills right now... not in my view anyhow. Comparatively this is a safe nation. Even if you disagree with this point, it can be pointed out that you DO NOT need privacy invading tactics to prevent terrorism, or drug dealing. To me, drug sniffing dogs, metal detectors, x-ray machines are not a GREAT violation of privacy, I have little trouble tolerating these things and I accept them as part of life. Fine. But when it becomes obvious that government is taking an ACTIVE interest in things like my conversations and business practices, as well as opening the way for me and my children (I hope to have some some day) to be cataloged and followed and assigned a number and database for our health records and who knows what else from birth, I get offended. I WILL fight these initiaves, with civil disobedience if nothing else works. I have a feeling that there are like minded people out there, people who can tolerate some violations of absolute privacy in exchange for feeling that every plane you ride on is not at risk because of some psycho, and that less coke is going to find its way to schools. But who cannot tolerate AUTHORATARIAN regimes, and practices to make these assurances. We are in my opinion at a very dangerous time. VERY dangerous We are at a point where events have made isolationism more and more a concern, and the focus is more an more on the people of this nation rather than other issues. Events like the world trade center, and the media attention it brings threaten to bring more force to bear on the fragile balance between what I will accept and what government wants. On another note, how public is this mailing list. I mean the list of names here. How unlikely is it that we might be on a "watch-these-dangerous-activits-revolutionaries" black list somewhere...? uni(a)acs.bu.edu

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checks
by Bob Stratton 04 May '93

04 May '93

> Date: Mon, 3 May 93 08:44:37 -0700 > From: Eric Hughes <hughes(a)soda.berkeley.edu> > Choices: PGP vs. RSA Data Security > > >re paying a reasonable license fee, I wonder if RSA would cash my > >check for (say) $10 if I wrote on the check that it was for a license > >for whatever they might claim on PGP. > > RSA might try to cash such a check, but if their bank is smart they won' > t accept it. A check is not negotiable if it contains a > condition. Much as I respect you Eric, I direct your attention to the myriad of "checks" being sent out by AT&T and MCI, to name a few offenders. These bear the legend: "endorsement of this check constitutes your acceptance of <foo> as your long distance carrier." Weasels. --Strat

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Re: tripple des
by smb＠research.att.com 04 May '93

04 May '93

Crypto question: why was the following chosen for tripple DES : EN(DE(EN(data,k1),k2),k3); The encryption would involve passing data through IP, then doing 16 rounds forward with k1, (factoring out the IP-1 and IP) then doing 16 rounds backwards with k2 (factoring out the next IP-1 and IP) then doing 16 rounds forward with k3 then going through IP-1 How would this compare with EN(EN(EN(data,k1),k2),k3); which goes through IP, does 16 rounds each with k1, k2 then k3, then IP-1 ? The only difference is that the key scheduler rotates backwards (or another interpretation keys used in reverse order) for the second stage. Does anyone know the rationale behind this? First, it's usually done as EN(DE(EN(data,k1),k2),k1) The middle step is a decryption for two reasons, one of which is no longer important for DES. The reason that is still valid is that by setting k1==k2, you have compatibility with other implementations that only do single encryption. (See the Garon and Outerbridge paper in the July '91 Cryptologia for why you want to triple-encrypt keys...) The second reason, no longer a concern for DES, is that it was feared that DES might be a group. That is, given E(E(data,k1),k2) it was feared that there might be a third key kx equivalent to encryption with k1 and k2. It's recently been proved that DES is not a group. That is, in general there is no such kx. Conceivably, the problem could arise with other cryptosystems, such as Skipjack. I haven't yet seen the proof about DES, and I don't know how much might transfer to other DES-like algorithms. In any event, doing a decryption as the second operation was thought to dodge the whole question. Finally, even though triple encryption as I've defined it only has a key length of 112, it's still necessary to do three operations, rather than a simple double encryption; for the latter, there's a birthday attack in O(2^56) time, though it does require O(2^56) space as well, making its feasibility a bit dubious. --Steve Bellovin

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tripple des
by Timothy Newsham 04 May '93

04 May '93

Crypto question: why was the following chosen for tripple DES : EN(DE(EN(data,k1),k2),k3); The encryption would involve passing data through IP, then doing 16 rounds forward with k1, (factoring out the IP-1 and IP) then doing 16 rounds backwards with k2 (factoring out the next IP-1 and IP) then doing 16 rounds forward with k3 then going through IP-1 How would this compare with EN(EN(EN(data,k1),k2),k3); which goes through IP, does 16 rounds each with k1, k2 then k3, then IP-1 ? The only difference is that the key scheduler rotates backwards (or another interpretation keys used in reverse order) for the second stage. Does anyone know the rationale behind this?

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