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Oceania (libertarian country in the works)
by kurtww＠netcom.com 07 Aug '93

07 Aug '93

hey all, I just realized that I haven't seen any info on the Atlantis Project come across the list (at least that I can remember). That seems strange, since it seems to support directly or indirectly all the Cypherpunk ideals. Without going into too much detail (unless there is interest, I suppose), The Atlantis Project is working on establishing a floating city-state called Oceania in the Caribbean, based on a very laissez-faire constitution and code of laws. In my opinion, Oceania is to become what Jefferson would have wanted the US to be today. To receive periodic updates, mail your email (and snail mail) address to oceania(a)world.std.com . If anyone wants some more info, I've got bunches of back mail I could send out to whoever wants it. BTW, I heartily second Tim May's endorsement of Netcom as an internet provider. Kurt -- */--kurtww(a)netcom.com--503/297.6555---Finger-for-Public-Key--\* |.Kurt Wiedenhoeft....."What is an Epigram? a dwarfish whole,.| |.RGB Imaging, Inc..... Its body brevity, and wit its soul."..| *\--located-in-Portland-Oregon--------------S.T.-Coleridge---/*

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Skipjack proposed Thursday?
by tien 07 Aug '93

07 Aug '93

I seem to have missed this. Today's Chronicle (July 31) (SanFran) had a blurb on E2 saying that NIST on Thursday proposed Skipjack as a federal standard. Does anyone have the announcement and related documentation? Lee Tien

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Cypherpunks in Washington and Boston: Read this
by tcmay＠netcom.com 07 Aug '93

07 Aug '93

Cypherpunks in Washington, Boston, Atlanta, Dallas, Seattle, (and if someone wants to forward this to the Extropians list, which I am temporarily taking a break from, I'm sure some of them would be interested) The Internet service I use, NETCOM, is expanding into these cities, offering flat-rate service for $17.50 a month (if paid by credit card). I have no connection with them except for being a satisfied user. Many hacker friends of mine have NETCOM accounts, even if they have ordinary corporate addresses as well (at a Bay Area Extropians lunch, about 8 out of the dozen folks had NETCOM accounts). After all, NETCOM can't lay you off, can't complain about what you say, and essentially can't be leaned on by the Feds (not yet tested, but likely). A useful service. Some people use it mostly for their mail, and then just telnet to NETCOM to grab it. (NETCOM provides 5 MB for your files, but charges beyond that.) NETCOM also carries every newsgroup I've ever heard of, 4560 of them at last count, and even carried the controversial group "alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.children," about which I wrote a while back (I mention this mainly to show how much of a hands-off policy NETCOM takes). So far as I know, NETCOM has only kicked people out for advertising competing Internet services blatantly, in the netcom.* locall groups. Everything else seems to be fair game. (Some of the most notorious Net bozos are NETCOM folks, indicating further the freedom we have....I can't imagine any user on NETCOM being "disciplined" for racist, sexist, homophobic, or speciesist remarks.) And a full range of editors, newsreaders, mailreaders, ftp access, telnet, etc...all the usual stuff, managed well. There are usually enough modems to allow me to get on anytime I want to. And, to repeat, there are no connect charges and no time limits. If you're within the local call range of the nearest POP, you can stay logged-on as long as you like with no charges. It changed my life, no kidding. Here's the announcement: Xref: netcom.com netcom.announce:86 netcom.internet:1191 netcom.general:10006 Newsgroups: netcom.announce,netcom.internet,netcom.general Path: netcom.com!info From: info(a)netcom.com (Netcom Information Account) Subject: NETCOM expands coverage Message-ID: <infoCBBLt6.5BE(a)netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: netcom Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 04:29:29 GMT Approved: Info Lines: 86 FYI: NETCOM On-line Communication Services, Incorporated is pleased to announce the expansion of the NETCOM backbone into Seattle, WA, Dallas, TX, Atlanta, GA, Washington, DC, and Boston, MA. Each of the new Points of Presence (POPs) will support a full range of network services including: o Internet Connections (T1 & 56kb dedicated and dialup) o News/Mail feeds with Domain service o Business Dial-up access (news/mail/ftp/telnet/shell) o Host dial-up (stock reports, US News, news/mail/ftp/telnet/shell) o Personal Network (SLIP/PPP) Connections (PNC) o FrameConnect Internet Services NETCOM can be your gateway to economical communications world wide. A connection to the NETCOM state-of-the-art network will deliver connectivity at very affordable prices. NETCOM offers Internet connections, news feeds, electronic mail, local access points throughout California, source archives, large discounts on communication equipment, consulting, and everything you would ex- pect from a leading communications service provider. To access the guest account, make sure that your communication settings are 8-1-N and use vt100 for a terminal emulator. After you connect, log in as "guest". Remember, you must use lower case letters. You can also log in via telnet by using netcom.netcom.com or an IP address of 192.100.81.100. The fol- lowing are a few of the local access 1200/2400/9600 V.32/V.42 numbers: o Atlanta and greater Metro area (Aug 31) ........ (404) 303-9765 o Boston and greater Metro area (Aug 31) ........ (617) 237-8600 o Washington DC, Falls Church, Arlington, Vienna, Reston, Alexandria, Fairfax, McLean (Aug 31)..... (703) 255-5951 o Dallas, TX ...................................... (214) 753-0045 o Seattle, Bellevue, Bothell, Bothell-Duval Des Moines, Halls Lake, Issaquaah, Kent, Kirkland, Renton, Richmond Beach, Maple Valley ............. (206) 547-5992 o Portland, Beaverton, Burlington, Forest Grove, Corbett, Gresham, Hillsboro, Lake Oswego, Sandy, Redland, Scholls, Stafford, Sunnyside, Tigard .... (503) 626-6833 o San Francisco, Sausalito, San Mateo, Foster City (415) 985-5650 o Sacramento, Folsom, Orangevale, Citrus Heights, Rancho Cordova, Carmichael ...................... (916) 965-1371 o Los Angeles, Inglewood, Beverly Hills, El Segundo, Santa Monica, Manhattan Beach, Van Nuys, Culver . (310) 842-8835 o Irvine, Anaheim, Fullerton, Laguna Beach, Orange, Santa Ana, Westminster ........................... (714) 708-3800 o San Diego, El Cajon, La Jolla, La Mesa, Linda Mesa, and Mira Visa ................................... (619) 234-0524 o Santa Cruz, Scotts Valley, Bolder Creek ......... (408) 459-9851 o San Francisco, Berkeley, Oakland, Albany Richmond, Alameda, Piedmont, Belvedere, Orinda, Moraga, San Pablo, Lafayette, Emeryville, & Brisbane ...................................... (510) 865-9004 o San Jose, Campbell, Almaden, Cupertino, Los Gatos, Saratoga, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara, & Milpitas .... (408) 241-9760 o Stanford, Mt View, Los Altos, Menlo Park, Palo Alto, Redwood City .................................... (415) 328-9940 o Pleasanton, Fremont, Hayward, Livermore, Bishop, San Ramon, Dublin, Newark, Danville, Sunol, and Bishop Ranch .................................... (510) 426-6610 VOICE: (408) 554-8649 FAX: (408) 241-9145 Local Access Numbers: (800) 488-2558 _____________________________________________________________________________ info(a)netcom.com (408)554-8649 NETCOM On-line Communication Services, Inc. --

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Re: Offshore Data Havens and Services
by nobody＠cicada.berkeley.edu 07 Aug '93

07 Aug '93

At 11:56 PM 8/4/93 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >the "900" sex >service numbers, which have mostly been subjected to call blocking and >other forms of regulatory oblivion, have been moved _offshore_. Time for the long distance providers to extend the use of personal identification numbers from calling cards to residences? One PIN per authorized user. This would have saved me from getting the shaft from one of my recent roomates!

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MEET: Boston Area Cpunks meeting
by Derek Atkins 06 Aug '93

06 Aug '93

Announcing the August Boston Area Cypherpunks Meeting. Where: MIT Room 1-115 When: Sat, Aug 14, 1993 Time: 3-8pm Actually, I don't officially have the room until 4pm, but I figure some people will come late, and the people who have it before might decide to leave early. Agenda: well, I don't have an agenda planned, but I'm sure we will have some things to talk about. Bring your PGP key, Magazine articles, and anything else that might be of interest. If you have any questions, either send me e-mail, or give me a call at (617) 868-4469. See you then! -derek

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Re: Cypherpunks, keep your humour dry
by sneal＠muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca 06 Aug '93

06 Aug '93

Tim May writes: >> At the risk of stating the obvious, I think it is precisely schemes >> like this that Denning was referring to. These are what she wants to >> target. and Ed Carp replies: >My apologies - I guess I wasn't clear. Waht I meant was, does she >honestly think that people *won't* do what I suggested, just because >there are laws >forbidding it? If she does, she is surely living in >a dreamworld. An engineer was attending a convention, and after a hard day of conventioneering, returned to his hotel room and feel asleep. About 3 AM, he woke up and smelled smoke, and realized there was a fire in his room! He immediately leaped out of bed, grabbed the fire extinguisher, and let loose at the base of the flames. After 30 seconds of spraying, the fire went out. The engineer went back to sleep. A couple of months later, a physicist attended a physics convention at the same hotel, and coincidentally was given the same room. One night during the convention, the physicist awoke and found the room on fire! The physicist grabbed a notepad and calculator from the bedside table, and made some calculations. He then picked up the fire extinguisher, and made a quick squirt at a point a few feet from the flames. The fire immediately went out, and the physicist went back to sleep. A couple of months after that, a mathematician attended a mathematics convention at the same hotel, and sure enough, was given the same hotel room. After spending the day in seminars, the mathematician returned to her hotel room and went promptly to sleep. Some time later, she awoke to find the hotel room on fire! She quickly grabbed a notepad from the bedside table, made some calculations, said, "There is a solution in principle", went back to sleep and burned to death. -- Steve sneal(a)muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone who believes in the intelligence, efficiency, and integrity of any government anywhere really, REALLY needs to get out more often. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Cypherpunks, keep your powder dry....
by geoffw＠nexsys.net 06 Aug '93

06 Aug '93

> > But as "street corner drug dealers" start to use encryption (it could > happen...the "phase changes" to beepers and cellular phones happened > in a matter of months), there will be calls for restrictions to "keep > "unbreakable codes' out of the hands of criminals and terrorists. This is not a flame on you Tim, but look at the absurdity of this! Containers full of tons of coke come into the US daily, I'm sure these deals are not made on street corners, (their made in bank offices, and import agencies :), Isn't this like trying to keep our nation safe by passing laws outlawing to carrying of a suit case sized container through a busy public area (like grand central station) because someone might have a portable thermonuclear device hidden inside. How much does it take for the average person to totally see through this flimsy sharade? For the capitalist among us, if the street corner crack dealer is making fortunes, how much are the people who supply him getting? Do they use/ need to use encrypted communications? Most of those dealers who are using any form of remote communication (the smart one's at least, will still do their deals heavy on ghetto slang, nuonce and metaphor, More like; "Hey what up, I'll meet you at the spot, it's 3 yards for dorothy." This translates to " Hello, How are you, we'll rendezvous at the usual location $3,000 for an ounce"

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Re: Cypherpunks, keep your powder dry....
by peb＠PROCASE.COM 06 Aug '93

06 Aug '93

>> From: tcmay(a)netcom.com >> there will be calls for restrictions to "keep >> "unbreakable codes' out of the hands of criminals and terrorists. >This is not a flame on you Tim, but look at the absurdity of this! >[...] How much does it take >for the average person to totally see through this flimsy sharade? I think Tim correct about this as a possible scenario, although the magnitude may be small. Re: the Village Voice article's description of the WWII paranoia. Example: During the Gulf War paging people at the San Francisco airport was banned... Paul E. Baclace peb(a)procase.com

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Re: "Big Brother Inside" logo
by peb＠PROCASE.COM 06 Aug '93

06 Aug '93

>I am investigating having Tshirts made with the logo on the front How about the standard red circle with slash for NO Big Brother Inside. Have you uploaded the gif to soda.berkeley.edu yet? (What's the path?) Paul E. Baclace peb(a)procase.com

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NSA and Trust Webs
by norm＠netcom.com 06 Aug '93

06 Aug '93

While US military security models are thoroughly hierarchical I imagine that when NSA deals with foreign countries regarding ciphers used to communicate between governments and regarding mutual foes it too uses a web of trust more Byzantine than most amateurs dream of.

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