I agree -- go for it! Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
Charlie,
I think it was approved. If we are operating under an older model then it is either Dennis's or my duty to inform you. But since we are operating in an interum model where the scheduling decisions are being made by the organizers (Jule) and the decision is collective amongst the community council, where we seem to have unanimous agreement, I judge it is safe to assume that the workshop is officially approved and you are ready to proceed.
Satoshi (M)
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:45:10 -0500 Charlie Catlett <catlett@mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
catlett> Well, it's interesting for me to approach GGF from outside of the catlett> walls of power. :-) As I'm the one who approved all of the catlett> gauntlets and triplicate forms I certainly have no one else to blame! catlett> catlett> I need to get an answer on this more or less immediately, however, so catlett> can I get an official yes or no this week? I'm assuming since Julie catlett> contacted me about scheduling that we are going to get our visa catlett> approved. catlett> catlett> I spoke with Peter Arzberger (leads the PRAGMA group) and asked him catlett> to recruit 1 or 2 Asian co-chairs for the workshop - he will be catlett> pouring over the background information while on his flight to catlett> Singapore tonight for the PRAGMA meeting there. catlett> catlett> Next Monday I will hop on a plane to London, where I'll see Tony Hey catlett> on Tuesday and Wednesday at the GridToday industry summit. I catlett> mentioned this workshop to him in early April and he was interested, catlett> so I am hoping next week to get an eScience person to help co-chair. catlett> catlett> But my local co-chairs (Nancy WIlkins-Diehr from SDSC and Sebastien catlett> Goasguen from Purdue are doing the real work, though the list catlett> includes myself, Dennis and Ian Foster) are getting nervous about catlett> running out of time to organize and advertise. catlett> catlett> This last point is important, because the workshop really is being catlett> proposed to address GGF's community aspirations - to get more folks catlett> involved who would not normally already be coming to GGF. catlett> catlett> Thanks- catlett> CeC catlett> catlett> catlett> At 9:48 PM +0100 4/25/05, Malcolm Atkinson wrote: catlett> >Sorry Charlie to have been so demanding - that all looks great to me. I catlett> >never doubted that it would be. I partly posed the questions to see if catlett> >the old GROC criteria (which I had used in my judgements) were still the catlett> >ones GFSG would support. catlett> > catlett> >Malcolm catlett> > catlett> > catlett> > >-----Original Message----- catlett> > >From: Charlie Catlett [mailto:catlett@mcs.anl.gov] catlett> > >Sent: 18 April 2005 16:27 catlett> > >To: matsu@is.titech.ac.jp; Malcolm Atkinson catlett> > >Cc: ccgt@ggf.org catlett> > >Subject: Re: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - catlett> > >April 5 Meeting catlett> > > catlett> > >> catlett> > >>mpa> I read all three workshop proposals. catlett> > >>mpa> The questions look like the old GROC ones, and I notice catlett> > >that Charlie catlett> > >>mpa> didn't answer them and that the health grid only catlett> > >answered some of them. catlett> > > catlett> > >Ah, sorry I didn't run the GROC approval gauntlet correctly - we catlett> > >spend several hours in Seoul talking about how to get additional catlett> > >communities engaged in GGF and this was in direct response to that catlett> > >GFSG discussion. I did not realize I still needed to fill out the catlett> > >GROC forms in triplicate. :-) catlett> > > catlett> > >Appended is my response to Malcolm's two (not focused on one group; catlett> > >publication). Here is my official GROC application form: catlett> > > catlett> > >A) Workshop Title catlett> > > catlett> > >Science Gateways: Exploring Common Interfaces, Policies and catlett> > >Interactions between Grid Resources and Science Communities catlett> > > catlett> > >B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly catlett> > >incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if catlett> > >you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. catlett> > > catlett> > >Catlett (UC/ANL), Gannon (IU), Foster (UC/ANL), Wilkins-Diehr (UCSD), catlett> > >Goasguen (Purdue) catlett> > >Have requested contacts from Tony Hey and Satoshi Matsuoka for people catlett> > >doing similar work elsewhere to help organize. catlett> > > catlett> > >C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as catlett> > >well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop catlett> > >without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission catlett> > >info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF catlett> > >descriptions, etc. catlett> > > catlett> > >This workshop does not involve a particular RG/WG - it is intended to catlett> > >bring in new communities. However, we expect that some from the Life catlett> > >Sciences RG and GCE RG will participate. catlett> > > catlett> > >D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop catlett> > >description to be put on the program. catlett> > > catlett> > >Provided already catlett> > > catlett> > >E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two catlett> > >workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the catlett> > >talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put catlett> > >here. catlett> > > catlett> > >We will have 4-6 presentations from people who are building, or have catlett> > >built, science gateways (portals or application software that catlett> > >provides Grid resources to scientists). Three will be from the catlett> > >TeraGrid project, three from other projects as we find them (we are catlett> > >actively seeking). catlett> > > catlett> > >There will be 4-6 presentations regarding key technology/policy catlett> > >issues such as authentication and authorization, web services catlett> > >implementation strategies, etc. catlett> > > catlett> > >F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or catlett> > >outside GGF. catlett> > > catlett> > >Catlett, Foster and Gannon have pretty good track record catlett> > >right there... catlett> > > catlett> > >G) Duration of workshop - half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or catlett> > >whole day (4-5 slots) catlett> > > catlett> > >Whole day catlett> > > catlett> > >H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) catlett> > > catlett> > >Unsure - probably 100-150 catlett> > > catlett> > >I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to catlett> > >publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we catlett> > >will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational catlett> > >Document. catlett> > > catlett> > >GGF informational catlett> > > catlett> > > catlett> > >CeC catlett> > > catlett> > >>Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:50:08 -0500 catlett> > >>To: matsu@is.titech.ac.jp, Charlie Catlett <catlett@mcs.anl.gov>, catlett> > >>Dennis Gannon <gannon@cs.indiana.edu> catlett> > >>From: Charlie Catlett <catlett@mcs.anl.gov> catlett> > >>Subject: Re: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background catlett> > >>Cc: matsu@is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt@ggf.org catlett> > >>Bcc: catlett> > >>X-Attachments: catlett> > >> catlett> > >>Hi- catlett> > >>The purpose of the workshop is to bring together folks who are catlett> > >>trying to bring Grid capabilities to a particular science community catlett> > >>(atmospheric scientists, chemists, bioinformatics folks, etc.), and catlett> > >>who are looking to use web services and/or web portals to do so. I catlett> > >>am seeing these communities moving out ahead of GGF or the "grid" catlett> > >>experts or "portal" experts. This is creating a danger that those catlett> > >>of us running Grids or Grid resources will have a chaotic situation catlett> > >>where our key commmunities will each want to set up an ad-hoc catlett> > >>interaction mode with us to serve their communities. One will want catlett> > >>to use group accounts and another will want to install a custom catlett> > >>daemon on our machines. Another will want to use web services and catlett> > >>another will want .NET. catlett> > >> catlett> > >>The draft I circulated was a first cut at understanding what 10 catlett> > >>communities are trying to build, and all ten want to access Grid catlett> > >>resources in TeraGrid. Some are also building their own Grids, and catlett> > >>all would like to also access Grid resources in the UK or Japan. catlett> > >> catlett> > >>The idea of this workshop is to bring these consumers together with catlett> > >>one another and with producers to see if there are some things we catlett> > >>might agree on that can be implemented to nudge them toward some catlett> > >>common solutions. Now, some TeraGrid folks have made some headway catlett> > >>in looking at this and I would like to broaden that discussion to catlett> > >>others who are doing similar things (or should be). To this end I catlett> > >>asked Tony Hey last week to put me in touch with the right person or catlett> > >>persons from the UK, and would like similar contacts from Japan catlett> > >>(Satoshi please suggest) and elsewhere. catlett> > >> catlett> > >>I don't see this as a TeraGrid-centric activity - we don't need GGF catlett> > >>to do that. We need GGF to help us broaden the effort by helping us catlett> > >>reach other communities. catlett> > >> catlett> > >>So I would expect to do a call for participation not to the producer catlett> > >>community (GCE-RG, GGF typical producer population, portal experts), catlett> > >>though it would be good for them to participate, but to the consumer catlett> > >>community. I.e. those who don't really care that much about catlett> > >>standards or web services or grid technology other than that they catlett> > >>want to use them to serve their customers doing science. catlett> > >> catlett> > >>The draft I circulated would be used to structure the workshop, get catlett> > >>input from more consumer groups, get producer groups to talk about catlett> > >>how they are addressing these issues, and then update the document catlett> > >>as a GGF informational document. catlett> > >> catlett> > >> catlett> > >>CeC catlett> > >> catlett> > >>At 2:21 AM +0900 4/10/05, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: catlett> > >>>Charlie, Dennis, catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>I agree on its viability, but still Malcolm's concern that it be a catlett> > >>>TeraGrid-only centric event will have to be considered. Here is a catlett> > >>>(form) letter, catlett> > >>>and with proper fulfillment of the workshop template and widespread catlett> > >>>solicitation to key portal groups in EU as well as AP, hopefully the catlett> > >>>concern will be addressed. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>(form letter is attached below) catlett> > >>> Satoshi catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>---- catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500 catlett> > >>>Charlie Catlett <catlett@mcs.anl.gov> wrote: catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>catlett> Friends- catlett> > >>>catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding this workshop catlett> > >mentioned a group catlett> > >>>catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document catlett> > >drafted in March I catlett> > >>>catlett> wanted to send it to you. It's very preliminary, catlett> > >but it shows that catlett> > >>>catlett> the group is serious and already getting work catlett> > >done. I expect an catlett> > >>>catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks catlett> > >since it was discussed catlett> > >>>catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the catlett> > >TeraGrid all-hands catlett> > >>>catlett> meeting earlier this week. I think this workshop catlett> > >will be very catlett> > >>>catlett> important to the community. My hope is that it will bring catlett> > >>>in some of catlett> > >>>catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community catlett> > >including people who are: catlett> > >>>catlett> catlett> > >>>catlett> - building portals for scientific communities catlett> > >>>catlett> - implementing web services on resources in catlett> > >operational grids catlett> > >>>catlett> - developing operational policies and mechanisms catlett> > >for varying degrees catlett> > >>>catlett> of authorization (from full access shell accounts catlett> > >to restricted catlett> > >>>catlett> service invocations) based on varying degrees of catlett> > >>>authentication (from catlett> > >>>catlett> highly trusted authentication to anonymous access) catlett> > >>>catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work together, etc. catlett> > >>>catlett> catlett> > >>>catlett> CeC catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>----- catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Charlie, Dennis, catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal catlett> > >>>"Science Gateways Portals Workshop". catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and catlett> > >also on behalf catlett> > >>>of the newly proposed community council. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to catlett> > >strengthen the catlett> > >>>community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council catlett> > >>>therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop catlett> > >oversight. In catlett> > >>>the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the catlett> > >>>workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as catlett> > >>>well as its exterior outreach. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well catlett> > >as anybody catlett> > >>>else involved in your workshop organization. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the catlett> > >process by sending catlett> > >>>you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid catlett> > >>>backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, catlett> > >nevertheless as you catlett> > >>>see the comments below indicate that there is room for catlett> > >improvement in catlett> > >>>the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions catlett> > >by reflect the catlett> > >>>comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) catlett> > >community council catlett> > >>>the revised version in about a week's time (around April catlett> > >15th). In the catlett> > >>>meantime as additional comments come along, which will be catlett> > >forwarded to catlett> > >>>you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make catlett> > >improvements catlett> > >>>as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will catlett> > >>>want to allow some of the workshop to be a catlett> > >>>academically viable and recognizable activity from not only catlett> > >within the catlett> > >>>Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like catlett> > >>>to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of catlett> > >>>the content as well as the viability of its organizational catlett> > >manners. It catlett> > >>>is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the catlett> > >>>community council therein over the research groups. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>To quote one community council member: "I am passionate catlett> > >about the high catlett> > >>>value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build catlett> > >>>communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the catlett> > >need for new catlett> > >>>lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift catlett> > >towards narrow catlett> > >>>technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much catlett> > >>>diminished if the only effects are on those at the catlett> > >workshop. Hence the catlett> > >>>demand for publication and publicity." catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully catlett> > >work with the catlett> > >>>workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you catlett> > >host a high-quality catlett> > >>>and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the catlett> > >>>revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>> Best Regards, catlett> > >>> Satoshi Matsuoka catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Comment 1: catlett> > >>>=== catlett> > >>>The Science Portals workshop looks a good topic, and we can catlett> > >trust Dennis catlett> > >>>and Charlie will run an excellent workshop. However, we catlett> > >need to take catlett> > >>>care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred or US centred. catlett> > > We should catlett> > >>>see others, from Asian grids and European grids engaged in catlett> > >planning / catlett> > >>>presenting IMHO. I can find some, but the recent week on catlett> > >portals at eSI catlett> > >>>led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names catlett> > >>>(http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549), catlett> > >>>particularly UK ones. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from Catania, bringing catlett> > >experience catlett> > >>>on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera catlett> > >>><roberto.barbera@ct.infn.it> https://genius.ct.infn.it/. catlett> > >We have used catlett> > >>>it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA) for new user community catlett> > >>>induction. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>What is the planned model of communication? What should it catlett> > >not clash catlett> > >>>with? ... catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting catlett> > >questions answered catlett> > >>>and publication plan. catlett> > >>>=== catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Comment 2 (general): catlett> > >>>=== catlett> > >>>I think we might encourage more substantial publication catlett> > >such as journal catlett> > >>>special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) catlett> > >participants catlett> > >>>However in general I think we should let each workshop make catlett> > >its choice as catlett> > >>>"external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in catlett> > >>>some fashion catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>=== catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Comment 3: (Satoshi) catlett> > >>>=== catlett> > >>>There are several groups in AP working on "Science Gateway" Portals, catlett> > >>>including those in Japan and Korea, and those should be contacted. catlett> > >>>For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and catlett> > >NAREGI's WP3/6 are catlett> > >>>working on high-level portals interface. Korea's K* Grid has several catlett> > >>>efforts in those regard. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught catlett> > >pragma, with help catlett> > >>>from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. By all means it is catlett> > >important to make catlett> > >>>the intentions clear so that not all the Grid portals on catlett> > >earth will try catlett> > >>>to participate and ask for a time slot. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>--------- catlett> > > catlett> > > catlett>
Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor Global Scientific Information and Computing Center & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences Tokyo Institute of Technology Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu@acm.org, matsu@is.titech.ac.jp
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