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Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:34:01 +0000 From: Thilo Kielmann <kielmann@cs.vu.nl> To: Satoshi Matsuoka <matsu@is.titech.ac.jp> Cc: Thilo Kielmann <kielmann@cs.vu.nl>, ccgt@ggf.org, "Thomas H. Hinke" <thinke@mail.arc.nasa.gov>, Laura McGinnis <lfm@psc.edu>, David Wallom <David.Wallom@bristol.ac.uk> Subject: Re: On your GGF14 workshop application Message-ID: <20050408193400.GC5224@cs.vu.nl> Reply-To: Thilo Kielmann <kielmann@cs.vu.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050408124717.5F8C.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov
Satoshi,
thanks a lot for your mail. I highly appreciate your feedback. It is the first time in our long workshop-making history that we get such feedback, and I find it absolutely constructive. (And: it also shows GFSG/GROC/CCGT's appreciation of our efforts.)
My co-organizers and I will address the issues you mentioned and will get back to you soon.
Regards,
Thilo (still in Denver)
On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 02:51:50PM +0900, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
X-Original-To: kielmann@localhost Delivered-To: kielmann@localhost.cs.vu.nl Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:51:50 +0900 From: Satoshi Matsuoka <matsu@is.titech.ac.jp> To: Thilo Kielmann <kielmann@cs.vu.nl> Subject: On your GGF14 workshop application Cc: matsu@is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt@ggf.org
Thilo,
Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal "Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users".
I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf of the newly proposed community council.
As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as well as its exterior outreach.
Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody else involved in your workshop organization.
Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, nevertheless as you see the comments below indicate that there is room for improvement in the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions by reflect the comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) community council the revised version in about a week's time (around April 15th). In the meantime as additional comments come along, which will be forwarded to you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make improvements as well, please let us know where you would like to do so.
Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will want to allow some of the workshop to be a academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. It is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the community council therein over the research groups.
To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the demand for publication and publicity."
I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you host a high-quality and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks.
Best Regards, Satoshi Matsuoka
Comment 1: === The APPS-WG has run excellent workshops at past GGF. (However, in comparison) this one does not seem to be clearly described - it has a reasonable planned content I think, but it isn't easy to read and understand - and the breadth of its organiser / acceptance panel is not yet defined. I would back them on their track record, but push them to edit and update the proposal. ===
Comment 2: === The report from the last workshop held at GGF12, GGF13 etc. should be in the works. At least there should be some "evidence" that such are being worked upon. ===
Comment 3 (general): === I think we might encourage more substantial publication such as journal special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) participants However in general I think we should let each workshop make its choice as "external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in some fashion
=== Comment 4: While the exact details of this workshop proposal may not be complete, e.g., the candidates for a program committee, the concept and goals for the workshop are IMHO rather clear. Certainly in Thilo's case, a long, written proposal with the 'i's dotted and 't's crossed is less critical since he has an absolutely solid track record for organizing GGF workshops.
Nonetheless, we could emphasize some issues for the future (but not necessarily just for this proposal):
1) Try to get the workshops organized as early as possible, that is to say, get a draft or partial program committee put together prior to making the proposal.
2) Maximize external visibility. Besides just the GGF-Info doc, I'm sure that Thilo would be very receptive to the suggestion of trying to organize a journal special issue from the workshop. ===
Comment 5: (Satoshi)
Balancing the comments above with the rather short time available to organize workshops for GGF14, Thilo should not be felt pressured to make full journal publications for this workshop (of course if there is that would be great). What we should also do is to make sure that, as organization of the workshop gets more solidified (and probably rather quickly), make sure that the GGF office and Thilo sync with each other frequently so that anything about the workshop presense that has external visibility (external calls, programs, publication plans etc.) will be updated very quickly as refinements occur.
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A) Workshop Title
Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users
We are intending a type two (refereed workshop)
B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you are a chair of an existing RG/WG.
Thilo Kielmann, Vrije Universiteit, Co-Chair APPS-RG Thomas Hinke, NASA AMES, Co-Chair APPS-RG Laura McGinnis, PSC, Co-chair PGM-RG (to become PGS-RG) David Wallom, Bristol Univ, designated Co-chair PGS-RG
Full reviewing committee to be announced soon.
C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc.
APPS-RG PGS-RG (currently PGM-RG)
D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop description to be put on the program.
In this workshop, we aim at experience with bridging the gap between early adopters of grids and the more mainstream use of grid technology. Currently, for the most part grids are on the early adopter side of the gap, asking for the move to the more mainstream users. Here, applications are the key. We are seeking experience from early adoptors who would like to become mainstream users, from mainstream users who would like to use grids, from those who already do, and from middleware developers and system operators in charge of providing grid working environments to user communities.
We are seeking contributions on the following topics: - user experience with early-adoptor and/or mainstream grid applications - management approaches for production-quality grid environments - techniques for robust (fault tolerant) grid applications and middleware - software tools for automatic testing and signaling of error conditions
Our focus is on hands-on experience with existing grid environments, focusing on bridging the gap between early adoption and production use.
E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here.
Potential speakers come from major grid projects, from grid user communities, and from grid service operators. We seek to enrich the program by an opening keynote presentation and a final panel discussion. A candidate for the keynote could be Steven Newhouse from OMII, talking about his user survey among UK E-science users.
F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF.
Prior to GGF5 in Glasgow: NeSC Workshop on Applications and Testbeds on the Grid organized by APPS-RG and GUS-RG (just prior to GGF5)
At GGF7 in Tokyo: Applications workshop: What can be achieved with today's Grid technology (and what cannot)? organized by APPS-RG
At GGF8 in Seattle: Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools organized by APPS-RG and UPDT-RG Workshop on Tools For Grid Management organized by PGM-RG
At GGF10 in Berlin: Workshop on Case Studies on Grid Applications organized by APPS-RG, UPDT-RG, GUS-RG, and PGM-RG
At GGF11 in Honolulu: Semantic Grid Applications Workshop organized by APPS-RG and SEM-GRD Management of Grid Services in Production Grids organized by PGM-RG
At GGF12 in Brussels: Workshop on Grid Application Programming Interfaces organized by APPS-RG with DRMAA-WG, GridRPC-WG, SAGA-RG
At GGF13 in Soul: The Usable Grid organized by APPS-RG
G) Duration of workshop (half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole day (4-5 slots)
whole day
H) Estimated # of participants (if possible)
50-70
I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational Document.
We plan to publish a proceedings volume in form of a GGF Informational Document.
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Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor Global Scientific Information and Computing Center & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences Tokyo Institute of Technology Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu@acm.org, matsu@is.titech.ac.jp
-- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/
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