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APPS-RG meetings at GGF14 in Chicago
by Thilo Kielmann 17 Jun '05

17 Jun '05

Dear APPS-RG members, it is my pleasure to announce that we have assembled an interesting program for GGF14. June 27th (monday), we will have a full-day workshop (09:00am to 05:00pm) on "Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users" It comprises 11 accepted presentations, and 2 discussion sessions. Please see http://www.cs.vu.nl/ggf/apps-rg/meetings/ggf14.html for details! June 29th (wednesday), we will have a more general group meeting from 06:00pm to 07:30pm with the following agenda, covering an invited presentation: * 0:00 Welcome, opening * 0:05 Feedback on APPS workshop * 0:15 Discussion of future APPS workshops * 0:30 Presentation: Identifying and Fostering Applications on a Multipurpose Grid, Mary Fran Yafchak, Southeastern Universities Research Association, and Art Vandenberg, Georgia State University * 1:00 Open microphone round (general discussion): "Current issues of grid application developing and deployment?" * 1:30 Adjourn (If anybody would like to add something to this session, we are still free to modify the agenda a bit.) Please also see http://www.cs.vu.nl/ggf/apps-rg/ as well as www.ggf.org for general information. I am looking forward to meeting you in Chicago! Thilo Kielmann -- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/

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Final CFP: GGF14 applications workshop
by Thilo Kielmann 03 May '05

03 May '05

Workshop on Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users In conjunction with GGF14, (June 26, Chicago, USA) http://www.cs.vu.nl/ggf/apps-rg/meetings/ggf14.html Deadline extended to May 16, 2005! Jointly organized by: GGF Application Developers and Users Research Group (APPS-RG) & Production Grid Management Research Group (PGM-RG) Workshop Organizers: Thomas Hinke (NASA AMES, USA), Thilo Kielmann (Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam, Netherlands), Laura McGinnis (PSC, USA) & David Wallom (Bristol University, UK) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Call for Papers: In this workshop, we aim at experience with bridging the gap between early adopters of grids and the more mainstream use of grid technology. Currently, grids are mostly on the early adopter side of the gap, asking for the move to the more mainstream users. For fostering mature production environments, incentives by application users are vital. We are seeking experience from early adoptors who would like to become mainstream users, from mainstream users who would like to use grids, from those who already do, and from middleware developers and system operators in charge of providing working grid environments to user communities. We are seeking contributions on the following topics: - user experience with early-adoptor and/or mainstream grid applications - management approaches for production-quality grid environments - techniques for robust (fault tolerant) grid applications and middleware - software tools for automatic testing and signaling of error conditions Our focus is on hands-on experience with existing grid environments, focusing on bridging the gap between early adoption and production use. For the workshop presentations, we are seeking papers on the subjects described above. Papers should be typeset in a single-column format, in 12pt font, for letter or A4 sized paper. Papers should not exceed 10 pages. Shorter papers are welcome. Submission format is PDF. Please submit your paper to David Wallom, by email to david.wallom(a)bristol.ac.uk, marked as GGF-14 Grid Applications workshop submission. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Publication: All accepted submissions will be published as a GGF Informational Document. We will invite the most promising submissions for a journal special issue in a high-quality journal covering Grid computing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Important Dates: Paper submission: May 16, 2005 (extended on common request) Notification of acceptance: May 30, 2005 Workshop: June 26, 2005

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CFP: Workshop on Grid Applications at GGF14
by Thilo Kielmann 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

Workshop on Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users In conjunction with GGF14, (June 26-29, Chicago, USA) http://www.cs.vu.nl/ggf/apps-rg/meetings/ggf14.html Jointly organized by: GGF Application Developers and Users Research Group (APPS-RG) & Production Grid Management Research Group (PGM-RG) Workshop Organizers: Thomas Hinke (NASA AMES, USA), Thilo Kielmann (Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam, Netherlands), Laura McGinnis (PSC, USA) & David Wallom (Bristol University, UK) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Call for Papers: In this workshop, we aim at experience with bridging the gap between early adopters of grids and the more mainstream use of grid technology. Currently, grids are mostly on the early adopter side of the gap, asking for the move to the more mainstream users. For fostering mature production environments, incentives by application users are vital. We are seeking experience from early adoptors who would like to become mainstream users, from mainstream users who would like to use grids, from those who already do, and from middleware developers and system operators in charge of providing working grid environments to user communities. We are seeking contributions on the following topics: - user experience with early-adoptor and/or mainstream grid applications - management approaches for production-quality grid environments - techniques for robust (fault tolerant) grid applications and middleware - software tools for automatic testing and signaling of error conditions Our focus is on hands-on experience with existing grid environments, focusing on bridging the gap between early adoption and production use. For the workshop presentations, we are seeking papers on the subjects described above. Papers should be typeset in a single-column format, in 12pt font, for letter or A4 sized paper. Papers should not exceed 10 pages. Shorter papers are welcome. Submission format is PDF. Please submit your paper to David Wallom, by email to david.wallom(a)bristol.ac.uk, marked as GGF-14 Grid Applications workshop submission. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Publication: All accepted submissions will be published as a GGF Informational Document. We will invite the most promising submissions for a journal special issue in a high-quality journal covering Grid computing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Important Dates: Paper submission: May 05, 2005 Notification of acceptance: May 23, 2005 Workshop: June 26-29, 2005(exact date T.B.D.) -- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/

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GGF14: Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users
by Thilo Kielmann 08 Apr '05

08 Apr '05

Dear all, we just got the OK from GGF to organize a workshop at GGF14 in Chicago. However, GGF has asked us to complete our proposal, most importantly by nominating a committee for paper reviewing. I would thus like to encourage you to volunteer helping us with reviewing the papers! Experience from our previous workshops shows that this does not exclude you from also submitting your work. (We can still handle blind reviewing.) For your information, this is the relevant part of our workshop proposal: A) Workshop Title Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users We are intending a type two (refereed workshop) B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you are a chair of an ex isting RG/WG. Thilo Kielmann, Vrije Universiteit, Co-Chair APPS-RG Thomas Hinke, NASA AMES, Co-Chair APPS-RG Laura McGinnis, PSC, Co-chair PGM-RG (to become PGS-RG) David Wallom, Bristol Univ, designated Co-chair PGS-RG Full reviewing committee to be announced soon. C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being a full RG, plea se provide a separate RG submission info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc. APPS-RG PGS-RG (currently PGM-RG) D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop description to be p ut on the program. In this workshop, we aim at experience with bridging the gap between early adopters of grids and the more mainstream use of grid technology. Currently, for the most part grids are on the early adopter side of the gap, asking for the move to the more mainstream users. Here, applications are the key. We are seeking experience from early adoptors who would like to become mainstream users, from mainstream users who would like to use grids, from those who already do, and from middleware developers and system operators in charge of providing grid working environments to user communities. We are seeking contributions on the following topics: - user experience with early-adoptor and/or mainstream grid applications - management approaches for production-quality grid environments - techniques for robust (fault tolerant) grid applications and middleware - software tools for automatic testing and signaling of error conditions Our focus is on hands-on experience with existing grid environments, focusing on bridging the gap between early adoption and production use. E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two workshops. An y additional info are welcome including the title of the talk, their abstract, e tc. In fact the proposed program may be put here. Potential speakers come from major grid projects, from grid user communities, and from grid service operators. We seek to enrich the program by an opening keynote presentation and a final panel discussion. With kind regards, Thilo -- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/

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meeting notes of APPS-RG from GGF13
by Thilo Kielmann 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

Meeting of APPS-RG at GGF13, Seoul, Korea, March 15, 2005, 11:00-12:30 Notes taken by: Shantenu Jha, Thilo Kielmann Agenda: * 0:00 Welcome, opening * 0:05 Status update o new charter approved o document GFD.39, "Workshop on Applications and Programming Tools" has been published o other documents in the pipeline * 0:20 Report from SAGA-RG: progress on simple Grid APIs * 0:30 Open microphone round: "Current issues of grid application developing and deployment?" * 1:15 Planning of future activities (e.g. workshops) o GGF14 (with Earth Observation community???) o GGF15 ??? * 1:30 Adjourn Thilo Kielmann opens the session GGF IPR policy is pointed out and sign-up sheet is circulated Status update: new charter has been approved, group name has been adjusted to "application developers and users research group" This raises the questionamong the audience: - "What is an Application?" Do we need a tighter definition? Kind of consensus in the audience: - Application: Uses the Grid to get other things done. Document writing: GGF12 workshop report now published as GFD39. We urgently need to initiate the other Workshop Reports Will start with GGF13 Report from SAGA-RG: progress on simple Grid APIs Andre Merzky gives a short presentation on the progress made within SAGA-RG Open microphone round: "Current issues of grid application developing and deployment?" This is the so-called "Water Cooler Session" where people freely speak up and tell what they are mostly concerend with (like at a company water cooler) The following statements try to catch what has been said. They are personal statements, subject to inaccuracies of note taking. Tomasz Haupt: not all users are the same, has diverse needs need infrastructure that is stable have an interface that hides the changing stuff i.e., similar to SAGA Pascal Kleijer: quick implementation is critical If SAGA can provide the interface then use as a black-box will help users don't want to change their code therefore need non-mutating wrappers (i.e. clean wrapper) Grid Added value: seamless use of remote resources Tom Goodale: "Currently don't find the grid useful at all" lack of stability and consistency main problems parallel environments: a stable one + a development (like production and development) Basic s/w and system adminstration paradigms not followed Production Quality S/W Required. Couple of first time users: (names unknown) government & business users in business important to have stable environment Commonality b/w DRMAA and SAGA? relationshp b/w such different API's? common look and feel NII users: interactivity & easier usage KISTI user: how long will we have to wait for services like SAGA? T.Goodale: 6-12 months. Pascal K.: industry needs quick solutions and are proceeding to have "solutions without standards" A.Merzky: "solutions w/o standards" isn't Grid Computing GGF Steering Group member: Need to strike a balance b/w rapid development and deployment and standardization 2 "speeds" levels : - Speed of deployment - speed of integration of code & Usage low level integration is most susceptible to change as a user, fault tolerance is ususal hence Open Science Grid build a few simple services which are Robust and build others on top of it. Suggestion: Demos are useful Planning of future APPS-RG activities: Production Grid Management: APPS-RG is seen (by some) as the flagship of community building APPS-RG has been approached for a "community panel" track for GGF14 as part of GGF's reorganization, user communities shall be strengthened track at GGF14 will use existing groups and their results question from the audience: APPS-RG's umbrella function? (currently not addressed, for near future) possible future workshop topics: - Grid-Rel maybe a group to interact with TK: prod grid testing, usability (seems to be a 'hot topic' as mentioned in the waer cooler session) will approach PGM-RG to discuss a possible joint workshop meeting adjourned as the agenda had been handled completely

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Re: GGF13 planning
by Thilo Kielmann 21 Jan '05

21 Jan '05

All, as requested I have added a SAGA-RG ststus report to our proposed agenda. (see below) Unless I get objections or further suggestions, I will request the session accordingly early next week. Regards, Thilo 0:00 Opening, IPR, agenda bashing 0:05 Status update - new charter approved - document GFD.39, "Workshop on Applications and Programming Tools" has been published - other documents in the pipeline 0:20 Report from SAGA-RG: progress on simple Grid APIs 0:30 Open microphone: Current Issues of Grid Application Development and Deployment 1:15 Planning of future activities (e.g. workshops) - GGF14 (with Earth Observation community???) - GGF15 ??? 1:30 adjourn -- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/

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Fwd (S.J.Cox@soton.ac.uk): GGF13: "Are you coming"
by Thilo Kielmann 21 Jan '05

21 Jan '05

----- Forwarded message from "Cox S.J." <S.J.Cox(a)soton.ac.uk> ----- > Dear All, > > We are finalising our schedule for "The Usable Grid Workshop"- see > attached- and also the agenda for our session. > > If you have not already registered but will definitely be coming, > perhaps you could drop Thilo and me an email so that we can get an idea > of numbers and help us to ensure that our agenda/ workshop programme > will address issues relevant and interesting to you. > > Regards, > > Simon > > Workshop Proposal for GGF13 (Seoul, March 2005) > > > A) Workshop Title > > The Usable Grid > > We intend a type 1 workshop. > > > B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. > > Thilo Kielmann <kielmann(a)cs.vu.nl> (co-chair APPS-RG) > Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam > Thomas H. Hinke <thinke(a)mail.arc.nasa.gov> (co-chair APPS-RG) > NASA AMES > Simon Cox <S.J.Cox(a)soton.ac.uk> (aspirant co-chair APPS-RG) > University of Southampton > Yoshio Tanaka <yoshio.tanaka(a)aist.go.jp> (liaison Asia-Pacific) > AIST, Japan > > > C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc. > > Applications and Testbeds Research Group (APPS-RG) > > > D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop description to be put on the program. > > The workshop shall address the tensions that arise around the > usability of grid technology for application users. > We intend to have two things: > 1. presentations of "successs stories" and show cases of > well-functioning technology (including demos) > 2. panel discussions between application users, system administrators > (providers), and middleware developers. The panel discussions > should uncover some of the "dirty laundry" that is lurking under > the shiny success reports. The three groups (users, admins, > toolsmiths) are supposed to express their expectations in terms of > "do's and dont's" to the respective two other groups. > > By having this workshop in Seoul, we intend to foster presentations of > success stories from the Asia-Pacific area. We are seeking to > invite a series of speakers that can put Asia-Pacific grid > initiatives into the larger context of the "Global" Grid Forum. > While Asia-Pacific should be represented well, also significant contributions > from other regions will be sought. > > Especially for the panel discussions, we also want to bring in > participants from other parts of the world, representing leading > software developers and deploying organizations/projects. > > E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here. > > See above (D). > Due to the extremely short time frame, individual speakers could not > be identified yet, but we are very confident from our group history to > assemble a very strong and interesting event. > > > F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF. > > Prior to GGF5 in Glasgow: > NeSC Workshop on Applications and Testbeds on the Grid > organized by APPS-RG and GUS-RG (just prior to GGF5) > > At GGF7 in Tokyo: Applications workshop: > What can be achieved with today's Grid technology (and what cannot)? > organized by APPS-RG > > At GGF8 in Seattle: > Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools > organized by APPS-RG and UPDT-RG > > At GGF10 in Berlin: > Workshop on Case Studies on Grid Applications > organized by APPS-RG, UPDT-RG, US-RG, and PGM-RG > > At GGF11 in Honolulu: > Semantic Grid Applications Workshop > organized by APPS-RG and SEM-GRD > > At GGF12 in Brussels: > Workshop on Grid Application Programming Interfaces > organized by APPS-RG with DRMAA-WG, GridRPC-WG, SAGA-RG > > > G) Duration of workshop ? half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole day (4-5 slots) > > whole day > > > H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) > > 50 - 100 > previous workshops have been in this range of participants, depending > on the attractivity of the location > > > I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational Document. > > We will produce a GGF Informational Document, containing > abstracts of the presentations and summaries of the panel discussions. > > > Note: > We are aware that we are lagging behind with the publication of > reports from previous workshops. However, this has to be attributed > (in large part) to GGF's editorial process and the odds of GridForge. > At GGF12 we had personal communication with the new GGF editor who was > very positive about us publishing proceedings and is very much > understanding the special needs of these reports, compared to, for > example, standards track documents. The first report (for the GGF8 > workshop) has now reached an agreed upon format and should be put to > the final public comment phase every day now. > As we finally have an agreed upon format, we can now produce the > missing reports accordingly, and will do soon. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/

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GGF13 planning
by Thilo Kielmann 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

Dear all, I am happy to report another piece of good news concerning APPS-RG: During our session at GGF12, we identified the issue that part of our mission is to communicate feedback from the users to GGF's middleware developer community, but we were missing a communication channel for doing so. During and since GGF12, Simon Cox and myself managed to convince GGF's "powers that be" to implement such a communication platform. With a lot of help from Craig Lee (thanks!!!), GFSG has decided to hold a closing plenary at the end of coming GGF meetings (starting with GGF13). Purpose of this plenary is mutual communication, highlighting the most important/interesting things that could be achieved by the groups and areas. (Also, GFSG wants to track progress against an overall roadmap for GGF.) This means that, whenever our group session concludes with important feedback from users to the developer community, all we need to do is convince our own AD's about it -- and we are on stage for a few minutes! Having said this, I'd like to draw your attention to the GGF13 meeting, to be held in Seoul (Korea), March 14-17. (really soon now!) APPS-RG will hold a workshop on "the usable grid", combining success stories from the Asia-Pacific area with some hopefully critical discussions between users and developers. Details will be announced soon. Also, we will have a general interactive session. This one is what we need to plan now. I have compiled a little agenda based on GGF12's session agenda as follows: 0:00 Opening, IPR, agenda bashing 0:05 Status update - new charter approved - document GFD.39, "Workshop on Applications and Programming Tools" has been published - other documents in the pipeline 0:30 Open microphone: Current Issues of Grid Application Development and Deployment 1:10 Planning of future activities (e.g. workshops) - GGF14 (with Earth Observation community???) - GGF15 ??? 1:30 adjourn I'd like to invite your feedback and suggestions. Currently, we are basically open for every suggestion, both for topics for the "open microphone" and for future activities -- or for whatever else might be worth doing during our group session(s) at GGF13. I am looking forward to your response. All the best, Thilo -- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/

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Published: GFD-I.39 - Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools
by Thilo Kielmann 19 Dec '04

19 Dec '04

Dear all, after our successful recharter I can proudly announce another milestone in the history of APPS-RG: GGF just published the document GFD-I.39 which is the proceedings of our Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools, held in conjunction with GGF8, in Seattle, USA Please check out http://www.gridforum.org/documents/final.htm I'd like to thank all of you for your contributions. 2005 will be a busy year, now that our revised charter drives us to new directions. Also, now that GGF's publication pipeline is in great shape and allows us to publish proceedings volumes, we will catch up with our backlog of reports from previous meetings. Meanwhile I wish all of you a nice holiday break and a successful 2005! Thilo Kielmann -- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/

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Re: Published: GFD-I.39 - Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools
by Thilo Kielmann 19 Dec '04

19 Dec '04

Ian, On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 09:27:31PM -0600, Ian Foster wrote: > I do think that as well as publishing proceedings as a single > document, it is important to also provide a web site where individual > papers can be accessed. this is a very good suggestion. Actually, our www page contains papers and slides for presentations given. However, we might structure our material in a way that makes it more intuitive to find (or to find it at all). We might even move the material onto GridForge? We'll think about it... Regards, Thilo -- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/

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