At 02:42 PM 12/13/2004 +0100, Dietmar Erwin wrote:

Dear all, I support this idea. It makes vey much sense to combine the user requirements and the provider aspects.

Two suggestions to the charter:

G-4 add : (e.g. recommendations or standards drafts) I know that the two terms are sometimes used as synonyms. However, the second formulation should emphasize one of the roles of GGF.

Good point. I'll make the update.

Milestones: Target dates (e.g. GGF xx) should be given for the milestones whereever possible.

Agreed. But we need input from authors/editors on what would be reasonable deadlines. If the groups agree to merge, I would expect target dates to be one of the frist orders of business. thx LM

Mit freundlichen Gruessen With best regards

Dietmar Erwin

Forschungszentrum Juelich Tel: +49-2461-61-6412 ZAM Fax: +49-2461-61-6656 D-52425 Juelich E-mail: D.Erwin@fz-juelich.de

Laura McGinnis schrieb:

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At GGF12 in Brussels, the possibility of merging the Grid User Services and Production Grid Management research groups was raised. Since September, the chairs of the research groups and the area directors have been discussing issues involved in merging. We would like input from both research groups on the revised charter, posted below, and on any items you think we may have overlooked. There are some good reasons why merging these groups might be a good idea: 1) There is a lot of overlap in topics being addressed by both RGs. 2) Both groups would benefit from the influx of new perspectives and members that the merger would bring. 3) PGM has a strong history of providing workshops for GGF; GUS has material that would add value when shared in a workshop setting (i.e. strength in symbiosis). 4) GUS has two documents that are near completing. PGM input would add value to these documents as they are finalized and submitted to the document process. Please post comments, etc, to both mailing lists, so that both groups can participate in the discussion. thx LM

PGM/GUS Merged Charter: Purpose: The purpose of this group is to bring together grid practitioners to document experiences, identify best practice and develop informational documents. These documents are offered as suggested guides to organizations moving a grid to the persistent level. This group also explores new paradigms in supporting grids that aspire to become large scale grids with a large user/application base, while not excluding the small grid efforts. In addition, this forum can be used to discuss problems and concerns that are likely to be encountered, technical as well as non-technical, when moving grid testbeds to production environments. This group should have an ongoing presence in GGF, serving a SIG/UG purpose in the grid community. Goals: G-1) Identify technical and non-technical issues that need to be addressed for a production grid installation to be successful. G-2) Develop "common practices" documents for critical issues as they are identified. G-3) Facilitate opportunities for grid users and practitioners to share experiences in bringing grids to production. G-4) Spin off Working Groups when the need for detailed GGF documents (e.g. recommendations) is identified. Milestones: M-1) Grid Constitution Document - spin off WG to complete M-2) PGM Survey M-3) Tools Document - to be completed bu current team (had been submitted to GGF Editor) M-4) Trouble Ticket Document - revaluate interest, identify authors for this document; spin off WG if warranted M-5) Workshops Chairs: David Wallom, University of Bristol, UK Judith Utley, USA Laura McGinnis, Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, USA

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Laura F. McGinnis Project Coordinator: Data & Information Resource Services Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center 4400 Fifth Avenue, # 409D Pittsburgh, PA 15213 email: lfm@psc.edu voice: 412-268-5642 fax: 412-268-5832