Folks, I've had a response from Andre and Joel. It seems the WG needs to propose new chairs via Andre M. who must then choose whether to ratify this, that is all. I have suggested that we will agree chairs amongst ourselves by the end of the next telecon. IIRC we haven't formally agreed as a working group who should chair the new group. So we need a process for this. The best documented guidance I can find for the removal of existing and the proposing of new chairs is RFC 2418 ss4 [via GFD-C3 ss3.5]. And in the spirit of other OGF processes we should do this by consensus. We'd also like to do this quickly! I move to start the process of chair selection and propose using the following criteria: 1, We should have 1 chair or 2 co-chairs [GFD-C3 ss 4.3.1] 2, There should be a proposer and seconder for each. 3, Each person may propose one person and second one person (and may not propose or second themselves!) 4, The proposed person must agree to take on the responsibility. :-) 5, Nomination shall close by the start of the next telecon (15th Nov 2011) 6, We should conclude the process at the next telecon where there are at least four participants. 6, Consensus will be reached when there are no objections by persons on the telecon. 7, After the telecon I shall pass on our selection to Andre. Can we agree to this? Mike ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: UR-WG move to new chairs process. Date: Friday 04 November 2011, 15:02:05 From: Joel Replogle <joel.replogle@gmail.com> To: Andre Merzky <andre@merzky.net>, Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> CC: Joel Replogle <replogle@ogf.org> Mike - yes, the pages look very out of date. :-) Can you tell me (with Andre's confirmation as AD) who the chairs should be (including their email and gridforge usernames)? Then the chairs (once updated) can go and update the charter pages through this form: www.ogf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?group=ur-wg Once that's updated there is an approval process (working through the AD again) for the actual updating of the web pages. Thanks, Joel On Nov 2, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Andre Merzky wrote:
Hi Mike,
thanks for the follow-up - this dropped of my radar. I Cc Joel, who should know the current status.
Best, Andre.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
Hi Andre,
What's the process for changing the chairs of a working group? UR-WG and management of corresponding gridforge pages.
Looks also that the charter is way out of date, I guess this'll need
updating.
Thanks, Mike
-- Nothing is ever easy...
-------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Replogle Executive Director, OGF replogle@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org PO Box 1738 T: +1-765-228-9068 Muncie, IN 47308 USA F: +1-815-927-6284 Upcoming Events: OGF34 * March 12-14, 2012 * Oxford, UK * www.ogf.org/OGF34 -----------------------------------------
Mike, I can't be bothered trawling for evidence but I believe the aim of having co-chairs was to have them from different hemispheres to maximize presence of chairs as OGF moved around. John
-----Original Message----- From: ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: 04 November 2011 17:38 To: ur-wg@ogf.org Subject: [UR-WG] move to new chairs process.
Folks,
I've had a response from Andre and Joel. It seems the WG needs to propose new chairs via Andre M. who must then choose whether to ratify this, that is all. I have suggested that we will agree chairs amongst ourselves by the end of the next telecon.
IIRC we haven't formally agreed as a working group who should chair the new group. So we need a process for this. The best documented guidance I can find for the removal of existing and the proposing of new chairs is RFC 2418 ss4 [via GFD-C3 ss3.5]. And in the spirit of other OGF processes we should do this by consensus. We'd also like to do this quickly!
I move to start the process of chair selection and propose using the following criteria:
1, We should have 1 chair or 2 co-chairs [GFD-C3 ss 4.3.1] 2, There should be a proposer and seconder for each. 3, Each person may propose one person and second one person (and may not propose or second themselves!) 4, The proposed person must agree to take on the responsibility. :-) 5, Nomination shall close by the start of the next telecon (15th Nov 2011) 6, We should conclude the process at the next telecon where there are at least four participants. 6, Consensus will be reached when there are no objections by persons on the telecon. 7, After the telecon I shall pass on our selection to Andre.
Can we agree to this?
Mike
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: Re: UR-WG move to new chairs process. Date: Friday 04 November 2011, 15:02:05 From: Joel Replogle <joel.replogle@gmail.com> To: Andre Merzky <andre@merzky.net>, Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> CC: Joel Replogle <replogle@ogf.org>
Mike - yes, the pages look very out of date. :-) Can you tell me (with Andre's confirmation as AD) who the chairs should be (including their email and gridforge usernames)? Then the chairs (once updated) can go and update the charter pages through this form: www.ogf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?group=ur-wg
Once that's updated there is an approval process (working through the AD again) for the actual updating of the web pages.
Thanks,
Joel
On Nov 2, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Andre Merzky wrote:
Hi Mike,
thanks for the follow-up - this dropped of my radar. I Cc Joel, who should know the current status.
Best, Andre.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
Hi Andre,
What's the process for changing the chairs of a working group? UR-
WG and
management of corresponding gridforge pages.
Looks also that the charter is way out of date, I guess this'll need updating.
Thanks, Mike
-- Nothing is ever easy...
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John, Yes, in the sense that one should be a strong manager and one should be an technical expert. Relevant documentation you might have been thinking of is perhaps: GFD34 ss1.3 "A working group chair role is fundamentally a management role, requiring excellent communication and organizational skills as well as in depth understanding of the topic area. It is often a good strategy to have co-chairs including a topic expert and a strong manager. Chairing a working group also requires a significant time investment and it is useful to see a track record of diligent effort on the part of the chairs as well as an indication that the chairs’ management is supportive of the time commitment. Part of this necessary commitment is also to ensure that the group makes progress between and during GGF meetings, and thus involves travel. Can you, the chair, commit to at least 4 hours per week to run this group?" And from section 1.1: "Chairs: o Name One, email o Name Two, email Secretary(s)/Webmaster(s) (both optional): o Name One, email o Name Two, email "... Mike On Friday 04 November 2011 18:04:48 john.gordon@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
Mike, I can't be bothered trawling for evidence but I believe the aim of having co-chairs was to have them from different hemispheres to maximize presence of chairs as OGF moved around.
John
-----Original Message----- From: ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: 04 November 2011 17:38 To: ur-wg@ogf.org Subject: [UR-WG] move to new chairs process.
Folks,
I've had a response from Andre and Joel. It seems the WG needs to propose new chairs via Andre M. who must then choose whether to ratify this, that is all. I have suggested that we will agree chairs amongst ourselves by the end of the next telecon.
IIRC we haven't formally agreed as a working group who should chair the new group. So we need a process for this. The best documented guidance I can find for the removal of existing and the proposing of new chairs is RFC 2418 ss4 [via GFD-C3 ss3.5]. And in the spirit of other OGF processes we should do this by consensus. We'd also like to do this quickly!
I move to start the process of chair selection and propose using the following criteria:
1, We should have 1 chair or 2 co-chairs [GFD-C3 ss 4.3.1] 2, There should be a proposer and seconder for each. 3, Each person may propose one person and second one person (and may not propose or second themselves!) 4, The proposed person must agree to take on the responsibility. :-) 5, Nomination shall close by the start of the next telecon (15th Nov 2011) 6, We should conclude the process at the next telecon where there are at least four participants. 6, Consensus will be reached when there are no objections by persons on the telecon. 7, After the telecon I shall pass on our selection to Andre.
Can we agree to this?
Mike
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: Re: UR-WG move to new chairs process. Date: Friday 04 November 2011, 15:02:05 From: Joel Replogle <joel.replogle@gmail.com> To: Andre Merzky <andre@merzky.net>, Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> CC: Joel Replogle <replogle@ogf.org>
Mike - yes, the pages look very out of date. :-) Can you tell me (with Andre's confirmation as AD) who the chairs should be (including their email and gridforge usernames)? Then the chairs (once updated) can go and update the charter pages through this form: www.ogf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?group=ur-wg
Once that's updated there is an approval process (working through the AD again) for the actual updating of the web pages.
Thanks,
Joel
On Nov 2, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Andre Merzky wrote:
Hi Mike,
thanks for the follow-up - this dropped of my radar. I Cc Joel, who
should
know the current status.
Best, Andre.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Mike Jones
<mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk>
wrote:
Hi Andre,
What's the process for changing the chairs of a working group? UR-
WG and
management of corresponding gridforge pages.
Looks also that the charter is way out of date, I guess this'll need
updating.
Thanks, Mike
-- Nothing is ever easy...
-------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Replogle Executive Director, OGF replogle@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org PO Box 1738 T: +1-765-228-9068 Muncie, IN 47308 USA F: +1-815-927-6284
Upcoming Events: OGF34 * March 12-14, 2012 * Oxford, UK * www.ogf.org/OGF34
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I thought it was more that one should be from US and one from europe but since you have documentary evidence I withdraw the suggestion.. John Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> wrote: John, Yes, in the sense that one should be a strong manager and one should be an technical expert. Relevant documentation you might have been thinking of is perhaps: GFD34 ss1.3 "A working group chair role is fundamentally a management role, requiring excellent communication and organizational skills as well as in depth understanding of the topic area. It is often a good strategy to have co-chairs including a topic expert and a strong manager. Chairing a working group also requires a significant time investment and it is useful to see a track record of diligent effort on the part of the chairs as well as an indication that the chairs’ management is supportive of the time commitment. Part of this necessary commitment is also to ensure that the group makes progress between and during GGF meetings, and thus involves travel. Can you, the chair, commit to at least 4 hours per week to run this group?" And from section 1.1: "Chairs: o Name One, email o Name Two, email Secretary(s)/Webmaster(s) (both optional): o Name One, email o Name Two, email "... Mike On Friday 04 November 2011 18:04:48 john.gordon@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
Mike, I can't be bothered trawling for evidence but I believe the aim of having co-chairs was to have them from different hemispheres to maximize presence of chairs as OGF moved around.
John
-----Original Message----- From: ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: 04 November 2011 17:38 To: ur-wg@ogf.org Subject: [UR-WG] move to new chairs process.
Folks,
I've had a response from Andre and Joel. It seems the WG needs to propose new chairs via Andre M. who must then choose whether to ratify this, that is all. I have suggested that we will agree chairs amongst ourselves by the end of the next telecon.
IIRC we haven't formally agreed as a working group who should chair the new group. So we need a process for this. The best documented guidance I can find for the removal of existing and the proposing of new chairs is RFC 2418 ss4 [via GFD-C3 ss3.5]. And in the spirit of other OGF processes we should do this by consensus. We'd also like to do this quickly!
I move to start the process of chair selection and propose using the following criteria:
1, We should have 1 chair or 2 co-chairs [GFD-C3 ss 4.3.1] 2, There should be a proposer and seconder for each. 3, Each person may propose one person and second one person (and may not propose or second themselves!) 4, The proposed person must agree to take on the responsibility. :-) 5, Nomination shall close by the start of the next telecon (15th Nov 2011) 6, We should conclude the process at the next telecon where there are at least four participants. 6, Consensus will be reached when there are no objections by persons on the telecon. 7, After the telecon I shall pass on our selection to Andre.
Can we agree to this?
Mike
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: Re: UR-WG move to new chairs process. Date: Friday 04 November 2011, 15:02:05 From: Joel Replogle <joel.replogle@gmail.com> To: Andre Merzky <andre@merzky.net>, Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> CC: Joel Replogle <replogle@ogf.org>
Mike - yes, the pages look very out of date. :-) Can you tell me (with Andre's confirmation as AD) who the chairs should be (including their email and gridforge usernames)? Then the chairs (once updated) can go and update the charter pages through this form: www.ogf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?group=ur-wg
Once that's updated there is an approval process (working through the AD again) for the actual updating of the web pages.
Thanks,
Joel
On Nov 2, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Andre Merzky wrote:
Hi Mike,
thanks for the follow-up - this dropped of my radar. I Cc Joel, who
should
know the current status.
Best, Andre.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Mike Jones
<mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk>
wrote:
Hi Andre,
What's the process for changing the chairs of a working group? UR-
WG and
management of corresponding gridforge pages.
Looks also that the charter is way out of date, I guess this'll need
updating.
Thanks, Mike
-- Nothing is ever easy...
-------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Replogle Executive Director, OGF replogle@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org PO Box 1738 T: +1-765-228-9068 Muncie, IN 47308 USA F: +1-815-927-6284
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Hi guys, if I may chime in, On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:33 PM, <john.gordon@stfc.ac.uk> wrote:
I thought it was more that one should be from US and one from europe but since you have documentary evidence I withdraw the suggestion..
OGF will never veto a (set of) group chair(s) as long as there is confidence that they get the job done, no matter where they are from. What will raise eyebrows is when the all chair candidates represent the same small fraction of the group. The US/EU/Asia distribution rule was once a useful measure to ensure that this does not happen - but if it is obvious that the chairs can provide a balanced representation of the group, their origin does not matter at all... Hope that helps, Andre.
John
Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
John,
Yes, in the sense that one should be a strong manager and one should be an technical expert.
Relevant documentation you might have been thinking of is perhaps: GFD34 ss1.3 "A working group chair role is fundamentally a management role, requiring excellent communication and organizational skills as well as in depth understanding of the topic area. It is often a good strategy to have co-chairs including a topic expert and a strong manager. Chairing a working group also requires a significant time investment and it is useful to see a track record of diligent effort on the part of the chairs as well as an indication that the chairs’ management is supportive of the time commitment. Part of this necessary commitment is also to ensure that the group makes progress between and during GGF meetings, and thus involves travel. Can you, the chair, commit to at least 4 hours per week to run this group?"
And from section 1.1:
"Chairs: o Name One, email o Name Two, email Secretary(s)/Webmaster(s) (both optional): o Name One, email o Name Two, email "...
Mike
On Friday 04 November 2011 18:04:48 john.gordon@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
Mike, I can't be bothered trawling for evidence but I believe the aim of having co-chairs was to have them from different hemispheres to maximize presence of chairs as OGF moved around.
John
-----Original Message----- From: ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: 04 November 2011 17:38 To: ur-wg@ogf.org Subject: [UR-WG] move to new chairs process.
Folks,
I've had a response from Andre and Joel. It seems the WG needs to propose new chairs via Andre M. who must then choose whether to ratify this, that is all. I have suggested that we will agree chairs amongst ourselves by the end of the next telecon.
IIRC we haven't formally agreed as a working group who should chair the new group. So we need a process for this. The best documented guidance I can find for the removal of existing and the proposing of new chairs is RFC 2418 ss4 [via GFD-C3 ss3.5]. And in the spirit of other OGF processes we should do this by consensus. We'd also like to do this quickly!
I move to start the process of chair selection and propose using the following criteria:
1, We should have 1 chair or 2 co-chairs [GFD-C3 ss 4.3.1] 2, There should be a proposer and seconder for each. 3, Each person may propose one person and second one person (and may not propose or second themselves!) 4, The proposed person must agree to take on the responsibility. :-) 5, Nomination shall close by the start of the next telecon (15th Nov 2011) 6, We should conclude the process at the next telecon where there are at least four participants. 6, Consensus will be reached when there are no objections by persons on the telecon. 7, After the telecon I shall pass on our selection to Andre.
Can we agree to this?
Mike
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: Re: UR-WG move to new chairs process. Date: Friday 04 November 2011, 15:02:05 From: Joel Replogle <joel.replogle@gmail.com> To: Andre Merzky <andre@merzky.net>, Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> CC: Joel Replogle <replogle@ogf.org>
Mike - yes, the pages look very out of date. :-) Can you tell me (with Andre's confirmation as AD) who the chairs should be (including their email and gridforge usernames)? Then the chairs (once updated) can go and update the charter pages through this form: www.ogf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?group=ur-wg
Once that's updated there is an approval process (working through the AD again) for the actual updating of the web pages.
Thanks,
Joel
On Nov 2, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Andre Merzky wrote:
Hi Mike,
thanks for the follow-up - this dropped of my radar. I Cc Joel, who
should
know the current status.
Best, Andre.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Mike Jones
<mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk>
wrote:
Hi Andre,
What's the process for changing the chairs of a working group? UR-
WG and
management of corresponding gridforge pages.
Looks also that the charter is way out of date, I guess this'll need
updating.
Thanks, Mike
-- Nothing is ever easy...
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Yes that helps. Thanks John Andre Merzky <andre@merzky.net> wrote: Hi guys, if I may chime in, On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:33 PM, <john.gordon@stfc.ac.uk> wrote:
I thought it was more that one should be from US and one from europe but since you have documentary evidence I withdraw the suggestion..
OGF will never veto a (set of) group chair(s) as long as there is confidence that they get the job done, no matter where they are from. What will raise eyebrows is when the all chair candidates represent the same small fraction of the group. The US/EU/Asia distribution rule was once a useful measure to ensure that this does not happen - but if it is obvious that the chairs can provide a balanced representation of the group, their origin does not matter at all... Hope that helps, Andre.
John
Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
John,
Yes, in the sense that one should be a strong manager and one should be an technical expert.
Relevant documentation you might have been thinking of is perhaps: GFD34 ss1.3 "A working group chair role is fundamentally a management role, requiring excellent communication and organizational skills as well as in depth understanding of the topic area. It is often a good strategy to have co-chairs including a topic expert and a strong manager. Chairing a working group also requires a significant time investment and it is useful to see a track record of diligent effort on the part of the chairs as well as an indication that the chairs’ management is supportive of the time commitment. Part of this necessary commitment is also to ensure that the group makes progress between and during GGF meetings, and thus involves travel. Can you, the chair, commit to at least 4 hours per week to run this group?"
And from section 1.1:
"Chairs: o Name One, email o Name Two, email Secretary(s)/Webmaster(s) (both optional): o Name One, email o Name Two, email "...
Mike
On Friday 04 November 2011 18:04:48 john.gordon@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
Mike, I can't be bothered trawling for evidence but I believe the aim of having co-chairs was to have them from different hemispheres to maximize presence of chairs as OGF moved around.
John
-----Original Message----- From: ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: 04 November 2011 17:38 To: ur-wg@ogf.org Subject: [UR-WG] move to new chairs process.
Folks,
I've had a response from Andre and Joel. It seems the WG needs to propose new chairs via Andre M. who must then choose whether to ratify this, that is all. I have suggested that we will agree chairs amongst ourselves by the end of the next telecon.
IIRC we haven't formally agreed as a working group who should chair the new group. So we need a process for this. The best documented guidance I can find for the removal of existing and the proposing of new chairs is RFC 2418 ss4 [via GFD-C3 ss3.5]. And in the spirit of other OGF processes we should do this by consensus. We'd also like to do this quickly!
I move to start the process of chair selection and propose using the following criteria:
1, We should have 1 chair or 2 co-chairs [GFD-C3 ss 4.3.1] 2, There should be a proposer and seconder for each. 3, Each person may propose one person and second one person (and may not propose or second themselves!) 4, The proposed person must agree to take on the responsibility. :-) 5, Nomination shall close by the start of the next telecon (15th Nov 2011) 6, We should conclude the process at the next telecon where there are at least four participants. 6, Consensus will be reached when there are no objections by persons on the telecon. 7, After the telecon I shall pass on our selection to Andre.
Can we agree to this?
Mike
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: Re: UR-WG move to new chairs process. Date: Friday 04 November 2011, 15:02:05 From: Joel Replogle <joel.replogle@gmail.com> To: Andre Merzky <andre@merzky.net>, Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> CC: Joel Replogle <replogle@ogf.org>
Mike - yes, the pages look very out of date. :-) Can you tell me (with Andre's confirmation as AD) who the chairs should be (including their email and gridforge usernames)? Then the chairs (once updated) can go and update the charter pages through this form: www.ogf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?group=ur-wg
Once that's updated there is an approval process (working through the AD again) for the actual updating of the web pages.
Thanks,
Joel
On Nov 2, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Andre Merzky wrote:
Hi Mike,
thanks for the follow-up - this dropped of my radar. I Cc Joel, who
should
know the current status.
Best, Andre.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Mike Jones
<mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk>
wrote:
Hi Andre,
What's the process for changing the chairs of a working group? UR-
WG and
management of corresponding gridforge pages.
Looks also that the charter is way out of date, I guess this'll need
updating.
Thanks, Mike
-- Nothing is ever easy...
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For chair of the UR-WG I propose Jon Kerr Nilsen and second Andrea Critofori
-----Original Message----- From: ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: 04 November 2011 17:38 To: ur-wg@ogf.org Subject: [UR-WG] move to new chairs process.
Folks,
I've had a response from Andre and Joel. It seems the WG needs to propose new chairs via Andre M. who must then choose whether to ratify this, that is all. I have suggested that we will agree chairs amongst ourselves by the end of the next telecon.
IIRC we haven't formally agreed as a working group who should chair the new group. So we need a process for this. The best documented guidance I can find for the removal of existing and the proposing of new chairs is RFC 2418 ss4 [via GFD-C3 ss3.5]. And in the spirit of other OGF processes we should do this by consensus. We'd also like to do this quickly!
I move to start the process of chair selection and propose using the following criteria:
1, We should have 1 chair or 2 co-chairs [GFD-C3 ss 4.3.1] 2, There should be a proposer and seconder for each. 3, Each person may propose one person and second one person (and may not propose or second themselves!) 4, The proposed person must agree to take on the responsibility. :-) 5, Nomination shall close by the start of the next telecon (15th Nov 2011) 6, We should conclude the process at the next telecon where there are at least four participants. 6, Consensus will be reached when there are no objections by persons on the telecon. 7, After the telecon I shall pass on our selection to Andre.
Can we agree to this?
Mike
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: Re: UR-WG move to new chairs process. Date: Friday 04 November 2011, 15:02:05 From: Joel Replogle <joel.replogle@gmail.com> To: Andre Merzky <andre@merzky.net>, Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> CC: Joel Replogle <replogle@ogf.org>
Mike - yes, the pages look very out of date. :-) Can you tell me (with Andre's confirmation as AD) who the chairs should be (including their email and gridforge usernames)? Then the chairs (once updated) can go and update the charter pages through this form: www.ogf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?group=ur-wg
Once that's updated there is an approval process (working through the AD again) for the actual updating of the web pages.
Thanks,
Joel
On Nov 2, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Andre Merzky wrote:
Hi Mike,
thanks for the follow-up - this dropped of my radar. I Cc Joel, who should know the current status.
Best, Andre.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
Hi Andre,
What's the process for changing the chairs of a working group? UR-
WG and
management of corresponding gridforge pages.
Looks also that the charter is way out of date, I guess this'll need updating.
Thanks, Mike
-- Nothing is ever easy...
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Hi, I propose Andrea Cristofori and Second Jon Kerr Nilsen (This complements the John G proposal/second and if we don't worry too much about causality it all makes sense... I think). cheers johnk On 11/15/2011 03:36 PM, john.gordon@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
For chair of the UR-WG I propose Jon Kerr Nilsen and second Andrea Critofori
-----Original Message----- From: ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: 04 November 2011 17:38 To: ur-wg@ogf.org Subject: [UR-WG] move to new chairs process.
Folks,
I've had a response from Andre and Joel. It seems the WG needs to propose new chairs via Andre M. who must then choose whether to ratify this, that is all. I have suggested that we will agree chairs amongst ourselves by the end of the next telecon.
IIRC we haven't formally agreed as a working group who should chair the new group. So we need a process for this. The best documented guidance I can find for the removal of existing and the proposing of new chairs is RFC 2418 ss4 [via GFD-C3 ss3.5]. And in the spirit of other OGF processes we should do this by consensus. We'd also like to do this quickly!
I move to start the process of chair selection and propose using the following criteria:
1, We should have 1 chair or 2 co-chairs [GFD-C3 ss 4.3.1] 2, There should be a proposer and seconder for each. 3, Each person may propose one person and second one person (and may not propose or second themselves!) 4, The proposed person must agree to take on the responsibility. :-) 5, Nomination shall close by the start of the next telecon (15th Nov 2011) 6, We should conclude the process at the next telecon where there are at least four participants. 6, Consensus will be reached when there are no objections by persons on the telecon. 7, After the telecon I shall pass on our selection to Andre.
Can we agree to this?
Mike
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Subject: Re: UR-WG move to new chairs process. Date: Friday 04 November 2011, 15:02:05 From: Joel Replogle<joel.replogle@gmail.com> To: Andre Merzky<andre@merzky.net>, Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> CC: Joel Replogle<replogle@ogf.org>
Mike - yes, the pages look very out of date. :-) Can you tell me (with Andre's confirmation as AD) who the chairs should be (including their email and gridforge usernames)? Then the chairs (once updated) can go and update the charter pages through this form: www.ogf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?group=ur-wg
Once that's updated there is an approval process (working through the AD again) for the actual updating of the web pages.
Thanks,
Joel
On Nov 2, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Andre Merzky wrote:
Hi Mike,
thanks for the follow-up - this dropped of my radar. I Cc Joel, who should know the current status.
Best, Andre.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Mike Jones <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
Hi Andre,
What's the process for changing the chairs of a working group? UR- WG and management of corresponding gridforge pages.
Looks also that the charter is way out of date, I guess this'll need updating. Thanks, Mike
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All, while rather observing the group than being actively involved: I agree with both proposed candidates. Both have shown active engagement and activities in the last couple of month! Take care, Morris
-- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- -- Von: ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org] Im Auftrag von john alan kennedy -- Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. November 2011 07:39 -- An: john.gordon@stfc.ac.uk -- Cc: ur-wg@ogf.org -- Betreff: Re: [UR-WG] move to new chairs process. -- -- Hi, -- -- I propose Andrea Cristofori and Second Jon Kerr Nilsen -- -- (This complements the John G proposal/second and if we don't worry too -- much about causality it all makes sense... I think). -- -- cheers -- johnk -- -- On 11/15/2011 03:36 PM, john.gordon@stfc.ac.uk wrote: -- > For chair of the UR-WG I propose Jon Kerr Nilsen and second Andrea Critofori -- > -- >> -----Original Message----- -- >> From: ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of -- >> Mike Jones -- >> Sent: 04 November 2011 17:38 -- >> To: ur-wg@ogf.org -- >> Subject: [UR-WG] move to new chairs process. -- >> -- >> -- >> Folks, -- >> -- >> I've had a response from Andre and Joel. It seems the WG needs to -- >> propose new -- >> chairs via Andre M. who must then choose whether to ratify this, that -- >> is all. -- >> I have suggested that we will agree chairs amongst ourselves by the end -- >> of the -- >> next telecon. -- >> -- >> IIRC we haven't formally agreed as a working group who should chair the -- >> new -- >> group. So we need a process for this. The best documented guidance I -- >> can find -- >> for the removal of existing and the proposing of new chairs is RFC 2418 -- >> ss4 -- >> [via GFD-C3 ss3.5]. And in the spirit of other OGF processes we should -- >> do this -- >> by consensus. We'd also like to do this quickly! -- >> -- >> I move to start the process of chair selection and propose using the -- >> following -- >> criteria: -- >> -- >> 1, We should have 1 chair or 2 co-chairs [GFD-C3 ss 4.3.1] -- >> 2, There should be a proposer and seconder for each. -- >> 3, Each person may propose one person and second one person (and may -- >> not -- >> propose or second themselves!) -- >> 4, The proposed person must agree to take on the responsibility. :-) -- >> 5, Nomination shall close by the start of the next telecon (15th Nov -- >> 2011) -- >> 6, We should conclude the process at the next telecon where there are -- >> at least -- >> four participants. -- >> 6, Consensus will be reached when there are no objections by persons on -- >> the -- >> telecon. -- >> 7, After the telecon I shall pass on our selection to Andre. -- >> -- >> Can we agree to this? -- >> -- >> Mike -- >> -- >> -- >> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- -- >> -- >> Subject: Re: UR-WG move to new chairs process. -- >> Date: Friday 04 November 2011, 15:02:05 -- >> From: Joel Replogle<joel.replogle@gmail.com> -- >> To: Andre Merzky<andre@merzky.net>, Mike Jones -- >> <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> -- >> CC: Joel Replogle<replogle@ogf.org> -- >> -- >> Mike - yes, the pages look very out of date. :-) Can you tell me (with -- >> Andre's confirmation as AD) who the chairs should be (including their -- >> email and -- >> gridforge usernames)? Then the chairs (once updated) can go and update -- >> the -- >> charter pages through this form: -- >> www.ogf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?group=ur-wg -- >> -- >> Once that's updated there is an approval process (working through the -- >> AD -- >> again) for the actual updating of the web pages. -- >> -- >> Thanks, -- >> -- >> Joel -- >> -- >> -- >> On Nov 2, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Andre Merzky wrote: -- >> -- >>> Hi Mike, -- >>> -- >>> thanks for the follow-up - this dropped of my radar. I Cc Joel, who -- >> should -- >>> know the current status. -- >>> -- >>> Best, Andre. -- >>> -- >>> -- >>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Mike Jones -- >> <mike.jones@manchester.ac.uk> -- >> wrote: -- >>>> Hi Andre, -- >>>> -- >>>> What's the process for changing the chairs of a working group? UR- -- >> WG and -- >>>> management of corresponding gridforge pages. -- >>>> -- >>>> Looks also that the charter is way out of date, I guess this'll need -- >> updating. -- >>>> Thanks, -- >>>> Mike -- >>>> -- >>> -- >>> -- >>> -- -- >>> Nothing is ever easy... -- >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >> Joel Replogle Executive Director, OGF -- >> replogle@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org -- >> PO Box 1738 T: +1-765-228-9068 -- >> Muncie, IN 47308 USA F: +1-815-927-6284 -- >> -- >> Upcoming Events: -- >> OGF34 * March 12-14, 2012 * Oxford, UK * www.ogf.org/OGF34 -- >> -- >> -- >> -- >> -- >> -- >> ----------------------------------------- -- -- -- -- -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ -- |Dr. John Alan Kennedy Rechenzentrum Garching (RZG) | -- |Mail: jkennedy@rzg.mpg.de Boltzmannstrasse 2 | -- |Phone: +49 89 3299 2694 85748 Garching | -- |Fax: +49 89 3299 1301 | -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ -- -- -- -- ur-wg mailing list -- ur-wg@ogf.org -- http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ur-wg
participants (5)
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Andre Merzky -
john alan kennedy -
john.gordon＠stfc.ac.uk -
Mike Jones -
Morris Riedel