Session on Aggregate/Summary Usage Record? [Fwd: [wg-all] OGF23 Call for Participation]
Dear UR-WG members!
(I put the RUS-WG mailing list in CC since the argument is interesting for
both).
Quite some time ago Xiaoyu proposed an aggregate/summary usage record
format that might be interesting for all those that need to treat usage
statistics (which should be the case in most Grid
projects/infrastructures). This would, as we already discussed, be also
very interesting for the RUS specification.
I think it would be a good idea to have a UR-WG session dedicated to this
aggregate usage record (or summary usage record, that would be one of the
things to decide) to present the current proposal, discuss it and get some
initial work done towards a draft specification for public comments. What
do you think about this idea?
It would be best to have a dedicated session on that because there will be
quite some work to do and another session for the single-job UR format can
additionally be held. Both of them should officially be held by the UR-WG,
but I'm sure the RUS-WG members, being interested, will help.
Let me know what you think.
Cheers,
Rosario.
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Subject: [wg-all] OGF23 Call for Participation
From: "Steve Crumb"
piro@to.infn.it wrote:
(I put the RUS-WG mailing list in CC since the argument is interesting for both).
(I've left it out because it doesn't like me...)
I think it would be a good idea to have a UR-WG session dedicated to this aggregate usage record (or summary usage record, that would be one of the things to decide) to present the current proposal, discuss it and get some initial work done towards a draft specification for public comments. What do you think about this idea?
I think that sounds like a fine idea, and encourage you to book the session. :-) There'll need to be a (single) session for non-Aggregate UR-WG business too. Donal.
Hi Donal, hi Xiaoyu, hi all! Donal K. Fellows wrote:
piro@to.infn.it wrote:
(I put the RUS-WG mailing list in CC since the argument is interesting for both).
(I've left it out because it doesn't like me...)
I've included it again, if you're not on the RUS mailing list you might want to join it, could be interesting also from your point of view.
I think it would be a good idea to have a UR-WG session dedicated to this aggregate usage record (or summary usage record, that would be one of the things to decide) to present the current proposal, discuss it and get some initial work done towards a draft specification for public comments. What do you think about this idea?
I think that sounds like a fine idea, and encourage you to book the session. :-) There'll need to be a (single) session for non-Aggregate UR-WG business too.
I wanted to book it, but unfortuntely I'm having bureaucratic problems (with my new contract that will arrive late, maybe too late to attend OGF 23 without having to take the money from my private bank account :o), so I don't know yet if I can personally attend. But maybe Xiaoyu can organize a session on the AUR (after all its his baby even if with some helo from others :o) and I will gladly help if I should be able to win the fight against the bureaucratic wind mills ... If I remember well sessions can be booked until this friday, at least I hope it's not yet too late. If it is, I'm sorry, but I couldn't book a session not even knowing if I will be able to organize it. Cheers, Rosario.
Donal.
hello Rosario, UR and RUS team: I totally agree on the idea to have to a separate session on aggregation usage record on OGF 23. However, I am afraid that i cannot attend OGF 23 because my visa in UK will be expired at the end of June. I need to extend my visa first which can only be submitted to home office at the beginning of June. So I don't have time to apply visa to spain. That's why i delayed email you back after initial contact to spain consulate to figure out possibility to put my situation in a special case. There is one possiblity which is apply visa from my home country, china. But i might take extra fees to arrange the trip and visa appointment. I don't think we got enough funds to do that. So what i can do is prepration a slide and ask donal to present it. Alternatively we can put it off until OGF 24. I think the most important thing to UR working group is to get feedbacks for UR 1.0 and experienced implementation and requirements on both job and aggregate/summary usage representation. How do you think? regards! X. Chen BITLab School of Engineering and Design Brunel University, Uxbridge Middlesex, UB8 3PH London mobile: ++44(0)7871876894 ________________________________ From: Rosario Michael Piro [mailto:piro@to.infn.it] Sent: Wed 4/16/2008 10:38 To: Donal K. Fellows Cc: ur-wg@ogf.org; Mailing List for RUS-WG; Xiaoyu Chen Subject: Re: [UR-WG] Session on Aggregate/Summary Usage Record? [Fwd: [wg-all] OGF23 Call for Participation] Hi Donal, hi Xiaoyu, hi all! Donal K. Fellows wrote:
piro@to.infn.it wrote:
(I put the RUS-WG mailing list in CC since the argument is interesting for both).
(I've left it out because it doesn't like me...)
I've included it again, if you're not on the RUS mailing list you might want to join it, could be interesting also from your point of view.
I think it would be a good idea to have a UR-WG session dedicated to this aggregate usage record (or summary usage record, that would be one of the things to decide) to present the current proposal, discuss it and get some initial work done towards a draft specification for public comments. What do you think about this idea?
I think that sounds like a fine idea, and encourage you to book the session. :-) There'll need to be a (single) session for non-Aggregate UR-WG business too.
I wanted to book it, but unfortuntely I'm having bureaucratic problems (with my new contract that will arrive late, maybe too late to attend OGF 23 without having to take the money from my private bank account :o), so I don't know yet if I can personally attend. But maybe Xiaoyu can organize a session on the AUR (after all its his baby even if with some helo from others :o) and I will gladly help if I should be able to win the fight against the bureaucratic wind mills ... If I remember well sessions can be booked until this friday, at least I hope it's not yet too late. If it is, I'm sorry, but I couldn't book a session not even knowing if I will be able to organize it. Cheers, Rosario.
Donal.
Xiaoyu Chen wrote:
So what i can do is prepration a slide and ask donal to present it. Alternatively we can put it off until OGF 24. I think the most important thing to UR working group is to get feedbacks for UR 1.0 and experienced implementation and requirements on both job and aggregate/summary usage representation.
If there's a slide deck, I can present it. I'll need the deck at least a few days before OGF in order for me to read it and understand it first; I can't present work I haven't read (I know people who can, but I really can't!) In other news, can I hassle people (other than DEISA, who are good guys) to provide input on the UR1.0 experiences? I'm getting poked by our ADs on that front and I'd like to have some of that stuff actually provided. Rosario wrote:
I've included it again, if you're not on the RUS mailing list you might want to join it, could be interesting also from your point of view.
I already have too much on my plate. :-)
If I remember well sessions can be booked until this friday, at least I hope it's not yet too late. If it is, I'm sorry, but I couldn't book a session not even knowing if I will be able to organize it.
It's actually next Monday. The main thing we need to identify is how many slots to ask for, and whether to ask for any ad hoc BoFs. I'm inclined to go with one slot for UR and no ad hocs; I'm busy enough as it is! :-) Donal.
Hi, Donal wrote:
If there's a slide deck, I can present it. I'll need the deck at least a few days before OGF in order for me to read it and understand it first; I can't present work I haven't read (I know people who can, but I really can't!)
I will prepare it for sure at least a week in advance to OGF 23 if you can squeeze time to review it, 'cos i know you are so busy at the moment. Alternatively we can delay it to OGF 24 since Rosario can be there as well. cheers X. Chen BITLab School of Engineering and Design Brunel University, Uxbridge Middlesex, UB8 3PH London mobile: ++44(0)7871876894 ________________________________ From: Donal K. Fellows [mailto:donal.k.fellows@manchester.ac.uk] Sent: Thu 4/17/2008 10:33 To: Xiaoyu Chen Cc: Rosario Michael Piro; ur-wg@ogf.org Subject: Re: [UR-WG] Session on Aggregate/Summary Usage Record? [Fwd: [wg-all] OGF23 Call for Participation] Xiaoyu Chen wrote:
So what i can do is prepration a slide and ask donal to present it. Alternatively we can put it off until OGF 24. I think the most important thing to UR working group is to get feedbacks for UR 1.0 and experienced implementation and requirements on both job and aggregate/summary usage representation.
If there's a slide deck, I can present it. I'll need the deck at least a few days before OGF in order for me to read it and understand it first; I can't present work I haven't read (I know people who can, but I really can't!) In other news, can I hassle people (other than DEISA, who are good guys) to provide input on the UR1.0 experiences? I'm getting poked by our ADs on that front and I'd like to have some of that stuff actually provided. Rosario wrote:
I've included it again, if you're not on the RUS mailing list you might want to join it, could be interesting also from your point of view.
I already have too much on my plate. :-)
If I remember well sessions can be booked until this friday, at least I hope it's not yet too late. If it is, I'm sorry, but I couldn't book a session not even knowing if I will be able to organize it.
It's actually next Monday. The main thing we need to identify is how many slots to ask for, and whether to ask for any ad hoc BoFs. I'm inclined to go with one slot for UR and no ad hocs; I'm busy enough as it is! :-) Donal.
Hi! It now seems quite clear that I can be at OGF23. Although I (nearly) cleared all burocratic and financial problems I will be required to go another meeting in the States. Since also Xiaoyu can't be there maybe his proposal to delay the session dedicated to the aggregate/summary record. Considering that I didn't book any session for it. Maybe a very short discussion might be included in the regular UR-WG session. Donal, you might briefly present it as a new idea, say a few words about the draft spec (without going into detail) and then invite people to join the UR-WG mailing list to get a discussion going that can then maybe more focused on one of the next OGFs. That shouldn't cost much time (so that you can focus on experiences with UR 1.0 and further developments) but at least make people realize (or remember) that a draft exists and that there are some use cases. Does that sound ok? Cheers, Rosario. Donal K. Fellows wrote:
Xiaoyu Chen wrote:
So what i can do is prepration a slide and ask donal to present it. Alternatively we can put it off until OGF 24. I think the most important thing to UR working group is to get feedbacks for UR 1.0 and experienced implementation and requirements on both job and aggregate/summary usage representation.
If there's a slide deck, I can present it. I'll need the deck at least a few days before OGF in order for me to read it and understand it first; I can't present work I haven't read (I know people who can, but I really can't!)
In other news, can I hassle people (other than DEISA, who are good guys) to provide input on the UR1.0 experiences? I'm getting poked by our ADs on that front and I'd like to have some of that stuff actually provided.
Rosario wrote:
I've included it again, if you're not on the RUS mailing list you might want to join it, could be interesting also from your point of view.
I already have too much on my plate. :-)
If I remember well sessions can be booked until this friday, at least I hope it's not yet too late. If it is, I'm sorry, but I couldn't book a session not even knowing if I will be able to organize it.
It's actually next Monday. The main thing we need to identify is how many slots to ask for, and whether to ask for any ad hoc BoFs. I'm inclined to go with one slot for UR and no ad hocs; I'm busy enough as it is! :-)
Donal.
[Resent, getting distribution right...] Rosario Michael Piro wrote:
Donal, you might briefly present it as a new idea, say a few words about the draft spec (without going into detail) and then invite people to join the UR-WG mailing list to get a discussion going that can then maybe more focused on one of the next OGFs. That shouldn't cost much time (so that you can focus on experiences with UR 1.0 and further developments) but at least make people realize (or remember) that a draft exists and that there are some use cases. Does that sound ok?
Sure, I'm happy to present something if people (Xiaoyu?) suggest some slides. :-) Donal.
hello all: Donal worte:
Rosario Michael Piro wrote: Donal, you might briefly present it as a new idea, say a few words about the draft spec (without going into detail) and then invite people to join the UR-WG mailing list to get a discussion going that can then maybe more focused on one of the next OGFs. That shouldn't cost much time (so that you can focus on experiences with UR 1.0 and further developments) but at least make people realize (or remember) that a draft exists and that there are some use cases. Does that sound ok?
Sure, I'm happy to present something if people (Xiaoyu?) suggest some slides. :-)
Yes, i will prepare some slides ! X. Chen BITLab School of Engineering and Design Brunel University, Uxbridge Middlesex, UB8 3PH London mobile: ++44(0)7871876894 ________________________________ From: Donal K. Fellows [mailto:donal.k.fellows@manchester.ac.uk] Sent: Thu 4/24/2008 11:54 To: Rosario Michael Piro Cc: Xiaoyu Chen; ur-wg@ogf.org Subject: Re: [UR-WG] Session on Aggregate/Summary Usage Record? [Fwd: [wg-all] OGF23 Call for Participation] [Resent, getting distribution right...] Rosario Michael Piro wrote:
Donal, you might briefly present it as a new idea, say a few words about the draft spec (without going into detail) and then invite people to join the UR-WG mailing list to get a discussion going that can then maybe more focused on one of the next OGFs. That shouldn't cost much time (so that you can focus on experiences with UR 1.0 and further developments) but at least make people realize (or remember) that a draft exists and that there are some use cases. Does that sound ok?
Sure, I'm happy to present something if people (Xiaoyu?) suggest some slides. :-) Donal.
participants (4)
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Donal K. Fellows
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piro@to.infn.it
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Rosario Michael Piro
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Xiaoyu Chen