August 2006 - ur-wg - lists.ogf.org

GGF18 Activities
by Laura F McGinnis 29 Aug '06

29 Aug '06

GGF18 in Washington, DC is only 2 weeks away. I hope you are planning to come. We have a lot on the schedule, and I'm hoping to make good progress on our documents. Right now, we are scheduled for two sessions: Document Discussion: Wednesday, 13 September, 10am-11:30pm; Room 160 Joint RG/WG Session - Resource Usage Issues: Wednesday, 13 September, 6:30-7:15pm; Room 160 The Version 1 document has been updated to include responses to the comments (submitted during the public comment period) that we as a group decided were appropriate for this version of the document. Please review the document, available on the UR-WG website at http://www.psc.edu/~lfm/PSC/Grid/UR-WG/ and bring your comments and questions to the meeting Wednesday morning. The second session we're scheduled to host is planned to be a joint session with other resource-related working and research groups. I will extend invitations to these groups shortly, so please let me know which ones you feel should be included. The list I have so far is: OGSA Resource Selection Services (OGSA-RSS-WG) OGSA Resource Usage Service (RUS-WG) Production Grid Services (PGS-RG) Standards development organizations Collaboration on networked Resources Management Working Group (SCRM-WG) In related news, the "Topics in Grid Management" Workshop is turning out to be accounting and usage tracking -heavy. I'll be posting a schedule of the talks hopefully by the end of the week on the Production Grid Services RG website (http://www.psc.edu/~lfm/PSC/Grid/PGS-RG/) I hope you are planning to join these sessions as well. Thanks. See you in DC! LM ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource Services Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center email: lfm(a)psc.edu 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: 412-268-5642 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: 412-268-5832 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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PPS - Additional document to discuss
by Laura F McGinnis 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

Xiaoyu Chen, Akram Khan, and Dave Kant have submitted a recommendation for Aggregate Accounting Records. The document is online at https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/listDocuments/projects.ur-wg/docman .root. Please review and bring comments to the Document Discussion session. Thx LM ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource Services Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center email: lfm(a)psc.edu 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: 412-268-5642 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: 412-268-5832 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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PS - Can't respond to comments right now
by Laura F McGinnis 28 Aug '06

28 Aug '06

I still can't find the comments from the original public comment sessions, or the archives of our mailing list (where I reposted the comments to facilitate threaded responses). Hopefully OGF will have a solution for us by the time we get to DC. Until then, I'll continue to meditate on effective ways of answering the comments. :) Thx LM ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource Services Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center email: lfm(a)psc.edu 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: 412-268-5642 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: 412-268-5832 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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RE: [ur-wg] RE: SourceForge project creation request: Aggregate Accounting Record
by Laura F McGinnis 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Akram - GGF just recently upgraded the gridforge website. It looks like they have not yet integrated the old email archives into the new site. I'll follow up with the GGF technology team to figure out what's up. For now, you can find the archives anchored at http://www.psc.edu/~lfm/PSC/Grid/UR-WG/, listed on the Administrivia side of the page. This website also has links to all of the previous documents and concall notes. Thx LM ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource Services Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center email: lfm(a)psc.edu 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: 412-268-5642 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: 412-268-5832 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > -----Original Message----- > From: Akram Khan [mailto:akram@slac.stanford.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:14 PM > To: Laura F McGinnis > Subject: Re: [ur-wg] RE: SourceForge project creation > request: Aggregate Accounting Record > > Hello Laura, > > I total agree and we will upload the document but Iam have > pronlem in finding where the dicussion posting iss? I go to the : > > http://forge.ggf.org/sf/projects/ur-wg > > then click on "Discussions" > > and find nothing! Did I miss the or is the discussion on other page? > > > best wishes > akram > > > On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Laura F McGinnis wrote: > > > Thanks for including me in this discussion. > > > > The topic of an aggregate accounting record is being > discussed in the > > Usage Record Working group. Donal Fellows (of Manchester > University in > > the UK) is working on version 2 of the UR specification, which is > > intended to be more conducive to aggregation than the > original specification (version 1) was. > > > > I would like to continue discussion of the AAR with you and anyone > > you're working with, within the context of the Usage Record Working > > Group. I have included the UR-WG on this email. Could you > please bring > > us up to date on what you've been working on and what your > plans are? > > Also, if you have a draft of this document, please pass it > on to the group. > > > > Thx > > LM > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ++++++++++ > > Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource > > Services > > Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center > email: lfm(a)psc.edu > > 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: > 412-268-5642 > > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: > 412-268-5832 > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ++++++++++ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andre Merzky [mailto:andre@merzky.net] > > > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:47 PM > > > To: Xiaoyu Chen > > > Cc: Andre Merzky; lfm(a)psc.edu; Joel Replogle > > > Subject: Re: SourceForge project creation request: Aggregate > > > Accounting Record > > > > > > Hi Xiaoyu, > > > > > > if its an document which goes into the UR-WG project, you > don't need > > > to create a new project (that is what you did). > > > You should do: > > > > > > - login to grid forge http://forge.ggf.org/ > > > - go to the project home http://forge.ggf.org/sf/projects/ur-wg > > > - click on the 'Document' toll tab (top) > > > - select the right folder the doc should go to > > > - select 'Create' to create a document entry, and upload > > > the document. > > > > > > To upload documents, you need to be a member of the group. > > > As you were not group member, I made you one (you have two SF > > > logins, xchen and x_chen, I picked xchen). > > > > > > I Cc Laura McGinnis, who chairs the group. > > > Laura, is that ok? > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > > > Andre. > > > > > > > > > Quoting [Xiaoyu Chen] (Jul 27 2006): > > > > > > > > hi, Andre: > > > > > > > > I am totally confused! > > > > > > > I am working for LCG and defined an aggregate accounting > > > > schema which is supposed to be uploaded. If i am right, the > > > schema and > > > > draft specification should go to GGF-URWG. > > > > So what should i do? > > > > > > > > School of Engineering and Design > > > > Mobile: Mobile: ++44(0)7871876894 > > > > X. Chen > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: Andre Merzky [mailto:andre@merzky.net] > > > > Sent: 27/07/2006 (??????) 16:13 > > > > To: Xiaoyu Chen > > > > Cc: Joel Replogle > > > > Subject: Re: SourceForge project creation request: Aggregate > > > > Accounting Record > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Xiaoyu, > > > > > > > > we have been discussion the creation of new GridForge > > > projects, and it > > > > seems I was somewhat rash to confirm the project creation > > > for you. In > > > > fact, we think that projects should not get created unless the > > > > respective groups did undergo the correct chartering > > > process, and have > > > > acceptance from their ADs etc. > > > > > > > > For chartering a new group, please use > > > > > > > > http://www.ggf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?new > > > > > > > > (your GridForge loging is valid there). If a group is > created, we > > > > will automatically create a GF project page for it. > > > > > > > > If you want to have separate projects for work which is > done in an > > > > existing group, please try first to do that work with > that groups > > > > project - let us know if that meets any technical challenges. > > > > > > > > So, I removed the projects again (fortunately they still > > > seems empty), > > > > and hope that you can work on either to create a new group, > > > or to use > > > > a current group project. > > > > > > > > Best regards, sorry for the confusion, > > > > > > > > Andre. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting [Andre Merzky] (Jul 27 2006): > > > > > > > > > > Hi Xiaoyu, > > > > > > > > > > would it be possible to use an acronym for the > project, such as > > > > > 'AAR'? Also, is that intended to be a WG or RG? Then we > > > would very > > > > > much prefer 'AAR-WG' or 'AAR-RG', in order to keep > the project > > > > > naming in GridForge somewhat consistent. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Andre. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting [SourceForge Administrator] (Jul 27 2006): > > > > > > From: SourceForge Administrator <ggf-it(a)ggf.org> > > > > > > To: Andre Merzky <andre(a)merzky.net> > > > > > > Subject: SourceForge project creation request: Aggregate > > > > > > Accounting Record > > > > > > Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:17:23 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A new project was requested. > > > > > > > > > > > > Title: Aggregate Accounting Record > > > > > > Name: > > > > > > > > > > > > Description: This project recommends representation > format for > > > > > > aggregate usage record that encapsulates high-level view > > > > > > information for different accounting user agents. > > > Extending from > > > > > > GGF-UR, the aggregate schema is to facilitate common > > > extensibility > > > > > > for data sharing between multiple sites and Grid > > > infrastructures. > > > > > > Some element names are redefined from GGF-UR standard for > > > > > > usage conventions in real Grid environment. Although this > > > document does > > > > > > not intend to recommend the usage of an aggregate usage > > > record and > > > > > > underlying transport mechanism, it is proposed to > facilitate > > > > > > resource usage service based on implementation > experiences and > > > > > > potential issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > Requested By: Xiaoyu Chen > > > > > > > > > > > > Approve or reject the project by visiting: > > > > > > > > > http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/global/do/viewProjectRequest/rqst100 > > > > > > 9 > > > -- > > > "So much time, so little to do..." -- Garfield > > > > > > > >

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