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RE: [ur-wg] RE: SourceForge project creation request: Aggregate Accounting Record
by Laura F McGinnis 01 Aug '06

01 Aug '06

Akram - GGF just recently upgraded the gridforge website. It looks like they have not yet integrated the old email archives into the new site. I'll follow up with the GGF technology team to figure out what's up. For now, you can find the archives anchored at http://www.psc.edu/~lfm/PSC/Grid/UR-WG/, listed on the Administrivia side of the page. This website also has links to all of the previous documents and concall notes. Thx LM ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource Services Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center email: lfm(a)psc.edu 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: 412-268-5642 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: 412-268-5832 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > -----Original Message----- > From: Akram Khan [mailto:akram@slac.stanford.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:14 PM > To: Laura F McGinnis > Subject: Re: [ur-wg] RE: SourceForge project creation > request: Aggregate Accounting Record > > Hello Laura, > > I total agree and we will upload the document but Iam have > pronlem in finding where the dicussion posting iss? I go to the : > > http://forge.ggf.org/sf/projects/ur-wg > > then click on "Discussions" > > and find nothing! Did I miss the or is the discussion on other page? > > > best wishes > akram > > > On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Laura F McGinnis wrote: > > > Thanks for including me in this discussion. > > > > The topic of an aggregate accounting record is being > discussed in the > > Usage Record Working group. Donal Fellows (of Manchester > University in > > the UK) is working on version 2 of the UR specification, which is > > intended to be more conducive to aggregation than the > original specification (version 1) was. > > > > I would like to continue discussion of the AAR with you and anyone > > you're working with, within the context of the Usage Record Working > > Group. I have included the UR-WG on this email. Could you > please bring > > us up to date on what you've been working on and what your > plans are? > > Also, if you have a draft of this document, please pass it > on to the group. > > > > Thx > > LM > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ++++++++++ > > Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource > > Services > > Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center > email: lfm(a)psc.edu > > 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: > 412-268-5642 > > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: > 412-268-5832 > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ++++++++++ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andre Merzky [mailto:andre@merzky.net] > > > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:47 PM > > > To: Xiaoyu Chen > > > Cc: Andre Merzky; lfm(a)psc.edu; Joel Replogle > > > Subject: Re: SourceForge project creation request: Aggregate > > > Accounting Record > > > > > > Hi Xiaoyu, > > > > > > if its an document which goes into the UR-WG project, you > don't need > > > to create a new project (that is what you did). > > > You should do: > > > > > > - login to grid forge http://forge.ggf.org/ > > > - go to the project home http://forge.ggf.org/sf/projects/ur-wg > > > - click on the 'Document' toll tab (top) > > > - select the right folder the doc should go to > > > - select 'Create' to create a document entry, and upload > > > the document. > > > > > > To upload documents, you need to be a member of the group. > > > As you were not group member, I made you one (you have two SF > > > logins, xchen and x_chen, I picked xchen). > > > > > > I Cc Laura McGinnis, who chairs the group. > > > Laura, is that ok? > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > > > Andre. > > > > > > > > > Quoting [Xiaoyu Chen] (Jul 27 2006): > > > > > > > > hi, Andre: > > > > > > > > I am totally confused! > > > > > > > I am working for LCG and defined an aggregate accounting > > > > schema which is supposed to be uploaded. If i am right, the > > > schema and > > > > draft specification should go to GGF-URWG. > > > > So what should i do? > > > > > > > > School of Engineering and Design > > > > Mobile: Mobile: ++44(0)7871876894 > > > > X. Chen > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: Andre Merzky [mailto:andre@merzky.net] > > > > Sent: 27/07/2006 (??????) 16:13 > > > > To: Xiaoyu Chen > > > > Cc: Joel Replogle > > > > Subject: Re: SourceForge project creation request: Aggregate > > > > Accounting Record > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Xiaoyu, > > > > > > > > we have been discussion the creation of new GridForge > > > projects, and it > > > > seems I was somewhat rash to confirm the project creation > > > for you. In > > > > fact, we think that projects should not get created unless the > > > > respective groups did undergo the correct chartering > > > process, and have > > > > acceptance from their ADs etc. > > > > > > > > For chartering a new group, please use > > > > > > > > http://www.ggf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?new > > > > > > > > (your GridForge loging is valid there). If a group is > created, we > > > > will automatically create a GF project page for it. > > > > > > > > If you want to have separate projects for work which is > done in an > > > > existing group, please try first to do that work with > that groups > > > > project - let us know if that meets any technical challenges. > > > > > > > > So, I removed the projects again (fortunately they still > > > seems empty), > > > > and hope that you can work on either to create a new group, > > > or to use > > > > a current group project. > > > > > > > > Best regards, sorry for the confusion, > > > > > > > > Andre. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting [Andre Merzky] (Jul 27 2006): > > > > > > > > > > Hi Xiaoyu, > > > > > > > > > > would it be possible to use an acronym for the > project, such as > > > > > 'AAR'? Also, is that intended to be a WG or RG? Then we > > > would very > > > > > much prefer 'AAR-WG' or 'AAR-RG', in order to keep > the project > > > > > naming in GridForge somewhat consistent. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Andre. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting [SourceForge Administrator] (Jul 27 2006): > > > > > > From: SourceForge Administrator <ggf-it(a)ggf.org> > > > > > > To: Andre Merzky <andre(a)merzky.net> > > > > > > Subject: SourceForge project creation request: Aggregate > > > > > > Accounting Record > > > > > > Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:17:23 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A new project was requested. > > > > > > > > > > > > Title: Aggregate Accounting Record > > > > > > Name: > > > > > > > > > > > > Description: This project recommends representation > format for > > > > > > aggregate usage record that encapsulates high-level view > > > > > > information for different accounting user agents. > > > Extending from > > > > > > GGF-UR, the aggregate schema is to facilitate common > > > extensibility > > > > > > for data sharing between multiple sites and Grid > > > infrastructures. > > > > > > Some element names are redefined from GGF-UR standard for > > > > > > usage conventions in real Grid environment. Although this > > > document does > > > > > > not intend to recommend the usage of an aggregate usage > > > record and > > > > > > underlying transport mechanism, it is proposed to > facilitate > > > > > > resource usage service based on implementation > experiences and > > > > > > potential issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > Requested By: Xiaoyu Chen > > > > > > > > > > > > Approve or reject the project by visiting: > > > > > > > > > http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/global/do/viewProjectRequest/rqst100 > > > > > > 9 > > > -- > > > "So much time, so little to do..." -- Garfield > > > > > > > >

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RE: SourceForge project creation request: Aggregate Accounting Record
by Laura F McGinnis 30 Jul '06

30 Jul '06

Thanks for including me in this discussion. The topic of an aggregate accounting record is being discussed in the Usage Record Working group. Donal Fellows (of Manchester University in the UK) is working on version 2 of the UR specification, which is intended to be more conducive to aggregation than the original specification (version 1) was. I would like to continue discussion of the AAR with you and anyone you're working with, within the context of the Usage Record Working Group. I have included the UR-WG on this email. Could you please bring us up to date on what you've been working on and what your plans are? Also, if you have a draft of this document, please pass it on to the group. Thx LM ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource Services Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center email: lfm(a)psc.edu 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: 412-268-5642 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: 412-268-5832 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Merzky [mailto:andre@merzky.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:47 PM > To: Xiaoyu Chen > Cc: Andre Merzky; lfm(a)psc.edu; Joel Replogle > Subject: Re: SourceForge project creation request: Aggregate > Accounting Record > > Hi Xiaoyu, > > if its an document which goes into the UR-WG project, you > don't need to create a new project (that is what you did). > You should do: > > - login to grid forge http://forge.ggf.org/ > - go to the project home http://forge.ggf.org/sf/projects/ur-wg > - click on the 'Document' toll tab (top) > - select the right folder the doc should go to > - select 'Create' to create a document entry, and upload > the document. > > To upload documents, you need to be a member of the group. > As you were not group member, I made you one (you have two SF > logins, xchen and x_chen, I picked xchen). > > I Cc Laura McGinnis, who chairs the group. > Laura, is that ok? > > Hope that helps, > > Andre. > > > Quoting [Xiaoyu Chen] (Jul 27 2006): > > > > hi, Andre: > > > > I am totally confused! > > > I am working for LCG and defined an aggregate accounting > > schema which is supposed to be uploaded. If i am right, the > schema and > > draft specification should go to GGF-URWG. > > So what should i do? > > > > School of Engineering and Design > > Mobile: Mobile: ++44(0)7871876894 > > X. Chen > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Andre Merzky [mailto:andre@merzky.net] > > Sent: 27/07/2006 (??????) 16:13 > > To: Xiaoyu Chen > > Cc: Joel Replogle > > Subject: Re: SourceForge project creation request: Aggregate > > Accounting Record > > > > > > > > Hi Xiaoyu, > > > > we have been discussion the creation of new GridForge > projects, and it > > seems I was somewhat rash to confirm the project creation > for you. In > > fact, we think that projects should not get created unless the > > respective groups did undergo the correct chartering > process, and have > > acceptance from their ADs etc. > > > > For chartering a new group, please use > > > > http://www.ggf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?new > > > > (your GridForge loging is valid there). If a group is created, we > > will automatically create a GF project page for it. > > > > If you want to have separate projects for work which is done in an > > existing group, please try first to do that work with that groups > > project - let us know if that meets any technical challenges. > > > > So, I removed the projects again (fortunately they still > seems empty), > > and hope that you can work on either to create a new group, > or to use > > a current group project. > > > > Best regards, sorry for the confusion, > > > > Andre. > > > > > > Quoting [Andre Merzky] (Jul 27 2006): > > > > > > Hi Xiaoyu, > > > > > > would it be possible to use an acronym for the project, such as > > > 'AAR'? Also, is that intended to be a WG or RG? Then we > would very > > > much prefer 'AAR-WG' or 'AAR-RG', in order to keep the project > > > naming in GridForge somewhat consistent. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Andre. > > > > > > > > > Quoting [SourceForge Administrator] (Jul 27 2006): > > > > From: SourceForge Administrator <ggf-it(a)ggf.org> > > > > To: Andre Merzky <andre(a)merzky.net> > > > > Subject: SourceForge project creation request: Aggregate > > > > Accounting Record > > > > Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:17:23 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > A new project was requested. > > > > > > > > Title: Aggregate Accounting Record > > > > Name: > > > > > > > > Description: This project recommends representation format for > > > > aggregate usage record that encapsulates high-level view > > > > information for different accounting user agents. > Extending from > > > > GGF-UR, the aggregate schema is to facilitate common > extensibility > > > > for data sharing between multiple sites and Grid > infrastructures. > > > > Some element names are redefined from GGF-UR standard for usage > > > > conventions in real Grid environment. Although this > document does > > > > not intend to recommend the usage of an aggregate usage > record and > > > > underlying transport mechanism, it is proposed to facilitate > > > > resource usage service based on implementation experiences and > > > > potential issues. > > > > > > > > Requested By: Xiaoyu Chen > > > > > > > > Approve or reject the project by visiting: > > > > > http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/global/do/viewProjectRequest/rqst100 > > > > 9 > -- > "So much time, so little to do..." -- Garfield >

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Revised Call for Speakers
by Laura F McGinnis 20 Jul '06

20 Jul '06

There's a correction to the CfS URL. Please circulate the attached version (in place of what I sent yesterday). Thx LM ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource Services Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center email: lfm(a)psc.edu 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: 412-268-5642 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: 412-268-5832 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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GGF18 Workshop - Call for Speakers
by Laura F McGinnis 19 Jul '06

19 Jul '06

Open Grid Forum and GlobusWORLD are jointly sponsoring a workshop on Topics in Grid Management at GGF18 in Washington, DC in September. Could you circulate this Call for Speakers among your workgroups, and please consider sharing your implementations with the community. If there's any other information you need, please let me know. Thx LM ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource Services Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center email: lfm(a)psc.edu 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: 412-268-5642 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: 412-268-5832 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Mailing list is working again :)
by Laura F McGinnis 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

Thanks, everyone, for letting me know you're "hearing" me. See you in Washington, DC! LM ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource Services Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center email: lfm(a)psc.edu 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: 412-268-5642 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: 412-268-5832 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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GGF18 Session Requests
by Laura F McGinnis 05 Jul '06

05 Jul '06

I have requested two sessions for the upcoming GGF18 meeting in Washington, DC in September. One is to discuss the two versions of the specification we're working on, and the other is a joint session with other related WGs and RGs, as recommended at GGF17 in Tokyo. The descriptions and agendas are below. Thx LM Session: Joint RG/WG Session - Resource Usage Issues Duration: 45 minutes Description: This will be a joint session for related groups to discuss the interactions between usage tracking, resource management, and other issues related to resource consumption, measurement, and reporting on grids. Agenda: 1) Introduction and overview of participating RGs and WGs (10 minutes) 2) Open Discussion (30 minutes) 3) Followup planning (5 minutes) Session: UR-WG Document Discussions Duration: 90 minutes Description: The Usage Records Working Group will discuss the responses to the comments made on version 1 of the specification, and provide input to the development of version 2. Agenda: 1) Usage Record XML Specification, v1: Response to Public comments (45 minutes) 2) Usage Record Specification, v2: General Discussion (45 minutes) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource Services Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center email: lfm(a)psc.edu 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: 412-268-5642 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: 412-268-5832 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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FW: Please cancel concalls
by Laura F McGinnis 05 Jul '06

05 Jul '06

Now that I see that the mailing list is working, I am resending this mail from Monday. Thx LNM -----Original Message----- From: Laura F McGinnis [mailto:lfm@psc.edu] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 1:45 PM To: 'ur-wg(a)ggf.org' Subject: Please cancel concalls With the divergence of Usage Records efforts, we no longer have the pressing need for conference calls. Please cancel the remaining calls. We will continue to address the comments and documents through the mailing list. Thx LM ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource Services Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center email: lfm(a)psc.edu 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: 412-268-5642 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: 412-268-5832 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Test message
by Laura F McGinnis 05 Jul '06

05 Jul '06

I sent an email to the UR-WG list on Monday, but haven't received it back via the list yet. If you receive this, please let me know. Thx LM ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator Data & Information Resource Services Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center email: lfm(a)psc.edu 300 South Craig St, #313 phone: 412-268-5642 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 fax: 412-268-5832 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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