BOUNCE saga-rg@ggf.org: Non-member submission from [Ian Foster <foster@mcs.anl.gov>] (fwd)

7 Feb 2005

      To: "Rajic, Hrabri" <hrabri.rajic@intel.com>,
        "Tom Goodale" <goodale@cct.lsu.edu>
From: Ian Foster <foster@mcs.anl.gov>
Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission
Cc: <saga-rg@ggf.org>, <ogsa-wg@ggf.org>,
        "Bill Nitzberg" <bill@computer.org>,
        "Stephen Pickles" <stephen.pickles@man.ac.uk>
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Hrabri:

I would think that the job submission thing we need is almost completely 
trivial, as noted in earlier emails on ogsa-wg@ggf.org: it is basically a 
"create" call, with a JSDL string; the (also very simple) WSRF mechanisms 
then address the few other functions needed. The complexities all live in 
the JSDL, not the WSDL.

On the API side, I'd strongly encourage the SAGA guys to look at the GT4 
GRAM API, as it is makes it easy to do simple things, while also addressing 
many other things like staging, delegation, etc. See 
http://www-unix.globus.org/toolkit/docs/development/4.0-drafts/execution/wsg....

Ian.

At 09:15 AM 2/7/2005 -0800, Rajic, Hrabri wrote:
...
Tom,
Are OGSA EMC people aware of the most recent SAGA-RG work?  Would
SAGA-RG people like to engage OGSA EMC and possibly co-sponsor a Simple
job submission WG?  This could be a nice opportunity to tie in the
classic API and the WSDL approach.
One thing to consider:  Do we really need APIs in SRM, APME, and now in
ARCH areas?
Hrabri
---- from "[ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Feb. 7th call" mail by Hiro
-------
4) Simple job submission BoF preparation (30 min)
       From the minutes of Jan. 19 call.
...
- There is a plan to do an EM-related BoF. Stacey should know about
    it but it is not the job of the OGSA-WG to tell her---the
    proposed-chairs should do it. Preparation has not progressed to
    that point yet so Andrew as Area Director will take care of it.
...
Action: Andrew as Area director to send an email to the directors of
         the relevant Area (SRM: Bill, Stephen) to let them know of
         the proposed BoF; also to Stacey to reserve a slot.
...
- Andrew mentioned that on the Data call there was a discussion for
   a similar BoF for Data.
-Hrabri
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Ian Foster                    www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster
Math & Computer Science Div.  Dept of Computer Science
Argonne National Laboratory   The University of Chicago
Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A.     Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A.
Tel: 630 252 4619             Fax: 630 252 1997
         Globus Alliance, www.globus.org

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<font size=3>Hrabri:<br><br>
I would think that the job submission thing we need is almost completely
trivial, as noted in earlier emails on ogsa-wg@ggf.org: it is basically a
"create" call, with a JSDL string; the (also very simple) WSRF
mechanisms then address the few other functions needed. The complexities
all live in the JSDL, not the WSDL.<br><br>
On the API side, I'd strongly encourage the SAGA guys to look at the GT4
GRAM API, as it is makes it easy to do simple things, while also
addressing many other things like staging, delegation, etc. See
<a href="http://www-unix.globus.org/toolkit/docs/development/4.0-drafts/execution/wsg..." eudora="autourl">http://www-unix.globus.org/toolkit/docs/development/4.0-drafts/execution/wsgram/user/globusrun-ws.html</a>.<br><br>
Ian.<br><br>
<br>
At 09:15 AM 2/7/2005 -0800, Rajic, Hrabri wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Tom,<br><br>
Are OGSA EMC people aware of the most recent SAGA-RG work? 
Would<br>
SAGA-RG people like to engage OGSA EMC and possibly co-sponsor a
Simple<br>
job submission WG?  This could be a nice opportunity to tie in
the<br>
classic API and the WSDL approach.<br><br>
One thing to consider:  Do we really need APIs in SRM, APME, and now
in<br>
ARCH areas?<br><br>
Hrabri<br><br>
<br>
---- from "[ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Feb. 7th call" mail by
Hiro<br>
-------<br><br>
4) Simple job submission BoF preparation (30 min)<br>
       From the minutes of Jan. 19
call.<br>
> - There is a plan to do an EM-related BoF. Stacey should know
about<br>
>     it but it is not the job of the OGSA-WG to
tell her---the<br>
>     proposed-chairs should do it. Preparation
has not progressed to<br>
>     that point yet so Andrew as Area Director
will take care of it.<br><br>
>   Action: Andrew as Area director to send an email to the
directors of<br>
>          the relevant
Area (SRM: Bill, Stephen) to let them know of<br>
>          the proposed
BoF; also to Stacey to reserve a slot.<br><br>
>  - Andrew mentioned that on the Data call there was a
discussion for<br>
>    a similar BoF for Data.<br><br>
    -Hrabri<br>
 </blockquote>
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</font><tt>Ian
Foster                   
<a href="http://www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster" eudora="autourl">www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster</a><br>
Math & Computer Science Div.  Dept of Computer Science<br>
Argonne National Laboratory   The University of
Chicago    <br>
Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A.     Chicago, IL 60637,
U.S.A.<br>
Tel: 630 252
4619            
Fax: 630 252 1997<br>
        Globus Alliance,
<a href="http://www.globus.org/" eudora="autourl">www.globus.org</a><br>
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