Re: [saga-rg] Design Team meeting plans..
Ok ... thanks for the clarification Tom. Do we have some kind of agenda yet? Or at least an idea as to what the format of the meeting will be? -- Chris On 17/11/04 10:10, "Tom Goodale" <goodale@cct.lsu.edu> wrote:
Hi,
the intent was to meet from Monday to Friday. If people arrive on Monday and leave on Friday we'll only have a three day meeting, which is probably not going to be very effective..
Cheers,
Tom
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Christopher Smith wrote:
I plan to fly in on Monday and leave Friday ... is this what everyone else has in mind? I'm assuming the meeting will start on Tuesday morning. I need to nail this down real soon.
-- Chris
On 11/11/04 07:41, "Shantenu Jha" <s.jha@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
All: Mark your calendars - The design meeting is confirmed for the 13-17th December at LSU.
Tom and I will send a more detailed note about what transpired at the SAGA-F2F (though only three of us were able to make it). There will be a couple of conference calls in the run-up to the design meeting for agenda bashing etc.
Tom/LSU folks: Who should people contact for help with local arrangements?
More on this thread soon. Shantenu
So is there some kind of proposed agenda for this meeting (and is it still planned for LSU)? I mostly need to start planning travel, and need to know what days to fly in, etc.
-- Chris
On 1/11/04 16:30, "Andre Merzky" <andre@merzky.net> wrote:
Quoting [Keith Jackson] (Oct 29 2004):
I can do that week. Unless we hear otherwise by Monday afternoon california time, can we just plan on this?
Yes, fixing the date would be very helpful. Works for me, in case I didn't say that, yet ;-)
Andre.
--keith
On Oct 29, 2004, at 2:03 AM, Andre Merzky wrote:
> Hi all again ;-) > > There have been a number of date proposals for the planned design > team meeting. I am not really sure if there is any agreement by > now, but it seems that December 13-17th is doable after all. > > Could we try to come to a final decision soon? :-) > > However, we would like to propose Berlin (aka AEI Potsdam) as the > European meeting place (AG node) - Hartmut volonteered to organize > and host the meeting. > > Are there other options for Europe? Cardiff has been in > discussion as well IIRC. > > Best regards, > > Andre. > > > -- > +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Andre Merzky | phon: +31 - 20 - 444 - 7759 | > | Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam (VU) | fax : +31 - 20 - 444 - 7653 | > | Dept. of Computer Science | mail: merzky@cs.vu.nl | > | De Boelelaan 1083a | www: http://www.merzky.net | > | 1081 HV Amsterdam, Netherlands | | > +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
All, A draft agenda will be essential. We can bash it when we get started. Also, we should have: 1) A list of issues/topics on the table to be decided at the meeting 2) Homework to be done before the meeting, e.g., reviewing all the use cases and other existing APIs If everybody does their homework and if we know the major issues on the table, then we can use our face-time much more effectively! Also, Shantenu mentioned to me that he was going to pull in the relevant use cases from OGSA. That should help. --Craig At 02:42 PM 11/17/2004, Christopher Smith wrote:
Ok ... thanks for the clarification Tom. Do we have some kind of agenda yet? Or at least an idea as to what the format of the meeting will be?
-- Chris
On 17/11/04 10:10, "Tom Goodale" <goodale@cct.lsu.edu> wrote:
Hi,
the intent was to meet from Monday to Friday. If people arrive on Monday and leave on Friday we'll only have a three day meeting, which is probably not going to be very effective..
Cheers,
Tom
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Christopher Smith wrote:
I plan to fly in on Monday and leave Friday ... is this what everyone else has in mind? I'm assuming the meeting will start on Tuesday morning. I
need
to nail this down real soon.
-- Chris
On 11/11/04 07:41, "Shantenu Jha" <s.jha@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
All: Mark your calendars - The design meeting is confirmed for the 13-17th December at LSU.
Tom and I will send a more detailed note about what transpired at the SAGA-F2F (though only three of us were able to make it). There will be a couple of conference calls in the run-up to the design meeting for agenda bashing etc.
Tom/LSU folks: Who should people contact for help with local arrangements?
More on this thread soon. Shantenu
So is there some kind of proposed agenda for this meeting (and is it still planned for LSU)? I mostly need to start planning travel, and need to know what days to fly in, etc.
-- Chris
On 1/11/04 16:30, "Andre Merzky" <andre@merzky.net> wrote:
Quoting [Keith Jackson] (Oct 29 2004): > > I can do that week. Unless we hear otherwise by Monday afternoon > california time, can we just plan on this?
Yes, fixing the date would be very helpful. Works for me, in case I didn't say that, yet ;-)
Andre.
> --keith > > On Oct 29, 2004, at 2:03 AM, Andre Merzky wrote: > >> Hi all again ;-) >> >> There have been a number of date proposals for the planned design >> team meeting. I am not really sure if there is any agreement by >> now, but it seems that December 13-17th is doable after all. >> >> Could we try to come to a final decision soon? :-) >> >> However, we would like to propose Berlin (aka AEI Potsdam) as the >> European meeting place (AG node) - Hartmut volonteered to organize >> and host the meeting. >> >> Are there other options for Europe? Cardiff has been in >> discussion as well IIRC. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Andre. >> >> >> -- >> +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ >> | Andre Merzky | phon: +31 - 20 - 444 - 7759 | >> | Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam (VU) | fax : +31 - 20 - 444 - 7653 | >> | Dept. of Computer Science | mail: merzky@cs.vu.nl | >> | De Boelelaan 1083a | www: http://www.merzky.net | >> | 1081 HV Amsterdam, Netherlands | | >> +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
Quoting [Craig Lee] (Nov 18 2004):
All,
A draft agenda will be essential. We can bash it when we get started.
I can think of some items I would like to see on the agenda: 1) rehash and agree on target community - application programers, not Grid folx... 2) rehash and agree on basic design principles - 80:20 rule - simplicity - known paradigms where possible/sensible --> which rules should govern the design? 3) shortly (!) discuss languages - c, c++, perl, python, java, fortran, ... --> one spec for all -> spec object oriented or not --> which should be addressed? Explicitely? --> lessons learned in similar specs (GAT, DRMAA) 4) summarize basic requirements and paradigms - error tracking - auditing - tasks - workflow - bulk operations - QoS --> what should be addressed/kept in mind/ignored? 5) summarize current list of areas of interest - scope of previous work (CoG, GAT, Triana, RG, EGEE) - scope of use cases - derive list of potential 'subsystems' files, logical files, resources, 6) pick one subsystem - preferably a simple one, of common interest 7) propose API, and iterate ;-) 8) if time, work on next subsystem ome of these question could/should be addressed on the mailing list before I guess, to minimize startup time at the meeting. Just my 2 cents, Andre. PS.: the proposed answers I gave to the points 1-4 above are just illustrations, and not proposals... ;-) Well, kind of :-P
Also, we should have:
1) A list of issues/topics on the table to be decided at the meeting 2) Homework to be done before the meeting, e.g., reviewing all the use cases and other existing APIs
If everybody does their homework and if we know the major issues on the table, then we can use our face-time much more effectively!
Also, Shantenu mentioned to me that he was going to pull in the relevant use cases from OGSA. That should help.
--Craig
At 02:42 PM 11/17/2004, Christopher Smith wrote:
Ok ... thanks for the clarification Tom. Do we have some kind of agenda yet? Or at least an idea as to what the format of the meeting will be?
-- Chris
On 17/11/04 10:10, "Tom Goodale" <goodale@cct.lsu.edu> wrote:
Hi,
the intent was to meet from Monday to Friday. If people arrive on Monday and leave on Friday we'll only have a three day meeting, which is
probably
not going to be very effective..
Cheers,
Tom
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Christopher Smith wrote:
I plan to fly in on Monday and leave Friday ... is this what everyone else has in mind? I'm assuming the meeting will start on Tuesday morning. I need to nail this down real soon.
-- Chris
On 11/11/04 07:41, "Shantenu Jha" <s.jha@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
All: Mark your calendars - The design meeting is confirmed for the 13-17th December at LSU.
Tom and I will send a more detailed note about what transpired at the SAGA-F2F (though only three of us were able to make it). There will be a couple of conference calls in the run-up to the design meeting for agenda bashing etc.
Tom/LSU folks: Who should people contact for help with local arrangements?
More on this thread soon. Shantenu
So is there some kind of proposed agenda for this meeting (and is it still planned for LSU)? I mostly need to start planning travel, and need to know what days to fly in, etc.
-- Chris
On 1/11/04 16:30, "Andre Merzky" <andre@merzky.net> wrote:
> > > Quoting [Keith Jackson] (Oct 29 2004): >> >> I can do that week. Unless we hear otherwise by Monday afternoon >> california time, can we just plan on this? > > Yes, fixing the date would be very helpful. Works for me, in > case I didn't say that, yet ;-) > > Andre. > > >> --keith >> >> On Oct 29, 2004, at 2:03 AM, Andre Merzky wrote: >> >>> Hi all again ;-) >>> >>> There have been a number of date proposals for the planned design >>> team meeting. I am not really sure if there is any agreement by >>> now, but it seems that December 13-17th is doable after all. >>> >>> Could we try to come to a final decision soon? :-) >>> >>> However, we would like to propose Berlin (aka AEI Potsdam) as the >>> European meeting place (AG node) - Hartmut volonteered to organize >>> and host the meeting. >>> >>> Are there other options for Europe? Cardiff has been in >>> discussion as well IIRC. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Andre. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ >>> | Andre Merzky | phon: +31 - 20 - 444 - 7759 | >>> | Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam (VU) | fax : +31 - 20 - 444 - 7653 | >>> | Dept. of Computer Science | mail: merzky@cs.vu.nl | >>> | De Boelelaan 1083a | www: http://www.merzky.net | >>> | 1081 HV Amsterdam, Netherlands | | >>> +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ > >
-- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Andre Merzky | phon: +31 - 20 - 444 - 7759 | | Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam (VU) | fax : +31 - 20 - 444 - 7653 | | Dept. of Computer Science | mail: merzky@cs.vu.nl | | De Boelelaan 1083a | www: http://www.merzky.net | | 1081 HV Amsterdam, Netherlands | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
Hi, In the call for volunteers we had - day 1, 2: general design questions and decide the scope of the strawman API - day 3, 4, 5: define strawman API with above scope and at the face to face at supercomputing (minutes to come soon) we looked over the use cases and it seemed that the most pressing parts of the API were job startup and secure communications between processes, with file transfer coming third. I'd suggest that on the first two days we identify all possibilities from the use cases, turn these into a set of subsystems and objects and brainstorm how they interact, and over the next two days work out the details (e.g. methods/functions/...) associated with the top two subsystems. Then use the final day for a review and to check that we can still satisfy the interactions identified on the first two days. Does that work ? Is there a better procedure ? We should probably hold another phone call next week and discuss this in detail. One thing which also came up in the face to face was that it would be very good to have some input from security experts on issues we may face with the API and its interaction with security systems, so we may want to have some discussion in the first couple of days, or on the last day, of such issues, although I think at this stage we should be concentrating on the functionality we need to support our user communities and not getting hung-up on other issues. It's not clear if we need to explicitly deal with security issues at the level this API is aimed at; at the F2F we had a suggestion that the phone call after the next one (i.e. the 1st of December) should be dedicated to a discussion on security. On the accommodation side, we are trying to block a set of rooms at the faculty club here from the 12th to the 18th of December. I should have details for you later today. Cheers, Tom On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Craig Lee wrote:
All,
A draft agenda will be essential. We can bash it when we get started. Also, we should have:
1) A list of issues/topics on the table to be decided at the meeting 2) Homework to be done before the meeting, e.g., reviewing all the use cases and other existing APIs
If everybody does their homework and if we know the major issues on the table, then we can use our face-time much more effectively!
Also, Shantenu mentioned to me that he was going to pull in the relevant use cases from OGSA. That should help.
--Craig
At 02:42 PM 11/17/2004, Christopher Smith wrote:
Ok ... thanks for the clarification Tom. Do we have some kind of agenda yet? Or at least an idea as to what the format of the meeting will be?
-- Chris
On 17/11/04 10:10, "Tom Goodale" <goodale@cct.lsu.edu> wrote:
Hi,
the intent was to meet from Monday to Friday. If people arrive on Monday and leave on Friday we'll only have a three day meeting, which is
probably
not going to be very effective..
Cheers,
Tom
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Christopher Smith wrote:
I plan to fly in on Monday and leave Friday ... is this what everyone else has in mind? I'm assuming the meeting will start on Tuesday morning. I need to nail this down real soon.
-- Chris
On 11/11/04 07:41, "Shantenu Jha" <s.jha@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
All: Mark your calendars - The design meeting is confirmed for the 13-17th December at LSU.
Tom and I will send a more detailed note about what transpired at the SAGA-F2F (though only three of us were able to make it). There will be a couple of conference calls in the run-up to the design meeting for agenda bashing etc.
Tom/LSU folks: Who should people contact for help with local arrangements?
More on this thread soon. Shantenu
So is there some kind of proposed agenda for this meeting (and is it still planned for LSU)? I mostly need to start planning travel, and need to know what days to fly in, etc.
-- Chris
On 1/11/04 16:30, "Andre Merzky" <andre@merzky.net> wrote:
> > > Quoting [Keith Jackson] (Oct 29 2004): >> >> I can do that week. Unless we hear otherwise by Monday afternoon >> california time, can we just plan on this? > > Yes, fixing the date would be very helpful. Works for me, in > case I didn't say that, yet ;-) > > Andre. > > >> --keith >> >> On Oct 29, 2004, at 2:03 AM, Andre Merzky wrote: >> >>> Hi all again ;-) >>> >>> There have been a number of date proposals for the planned design >>> team meeting. I am not really sure if there is any agreement by >>> now, but it seems that December 13-17th is doable after all. >>> >>> Could we try to come to a final decision soon? :-) >>> >>> However, we would like to propose Berlin (aka AEI Potsdam) as the >>> European meeting place (AG node) - Hartmut volonteered to organize >>> and host the meeting. >>> >>> Are there other options for Europe? Cardiff has been in >>> discussion as well IIRC. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Andre. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ >>> | Andre Merzky | phon: +31 - 20 - 444 - 7759 | >>> | Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam (VU) | fax : +31 - 20 - 444 - 7653 | >>> | Dept. of Computer Science | mail: merzky@cs.vu.nl | >>> | De Boelelaan 1083a | www: http://www.merzky.net | >>> | 1081 HV Amsterdam, Netherlands | | >>> +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ > >
Quoting [Tom Goodale] (Nov 18 2004):
[...] and at the face to face at supercomputing (minutes to come soon) [...]
Any chance to get the meeting notes from SC and the last call soonish? Sorry for bugging... *blush* Cheers, Andre. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Andre Merzky | phon: +31 - 20 - 444 - 7759 | | Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam (VU) | fax : +31 - 20 - 444 - 7653 | | Dept. of Computer Science | mail: merzky@cs.vu.nl | | De Boelelaan 1083a | www: http://www.merzky.net | | 1081 HV Amsterdam, Netherlands | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
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