Hi all, we have the following sessions scheduled for OGF30: Wednesday, October 27 Session 1: Time: 11:00 am - 12:30 pm Title: SAGA - General Discussion Summary: State of the SAGA-nation, and open discussion Agenda: - agenda bashing for all SAGA sessions - intro - state of the SAGA-nation, open discussion - open discussion - document business Session 2: Time: 1:30 pm - 3:00 pm Title: SAGA Interop Feast Summary: showcase SAGA based access to a variety of middlewares Agenda: - TBA Session 3: Time: 3:30 pm - 5:00 pm Title: SAGA - Working Session Summary: SAGA WG session Agenda: - overspill from interop feast - discussion current work and future steps - EMI/PGI/GIN relations - relations to other OGF groups - discussion of public comments Thursday, October 28 Session 4: Time: 10:30 am - 12:00 pm Title: Application level Grid Interoperation Now (A GIN) Summary: Synchronizing of the interop efforts in the GIN and SAGA groups. Joint group session Agenda: - TBA. - SAGA demonstrations for the GIN community - GIN demonstrations for the SAGA community - discussion Please note that session 2 and 4 have some overlap in scope. Ideally, we see the same demos in both sessions (from the saga side at least), but in session 2 discuss them in respect to SAGA development and specification, and in session 4 try to find a common denominator with the GIN efforts. Please let me know if that all makes sense, if you like to add items to the agendas, etc. Best, Andre. -- Nothing is ever easy.
Hi all, I would like to add the following session to the list of interest for OGF30: Monday, October 25 Time: 3:00 pm - 4:30 pm Room: Lillehammer Title: GRAAP-WG - Group Discussion Summary: Joint meeting with the SAGA Working Group better understand the use-cases for SLAs, how SLAs could be used in SAGA and to explore possible collaboration. That session has been requested by the GRAAP group, so please all who are interested in SLAs, come along! :-) As for our demo sessions: As you have likely seen in the list of sessions, there are actually *two* demo sessions planned with SAGA involvement: one is our own SAGA session 3 on Wednesday 3:30pm, the other one is the GIN session on Thursday 10:30 am. The main goal of the former session is indeed to focus on SAGA, and to demonstrate and discuss implementation efforts, backend coverage, synergy and divergence, etc. The focus of the GIN session is slightly different. First, the attending crowd will likely GIN and PGI people, so somewhat different than the 'usual suspects'. Which is a very good thing. Second, the goal of the session if to demonstrate to the GIN group that one can achieve application level interoperability, by using SAGA. Please allow me to expand on that one. The focus of the GIN group (Grid Operation Now) is to exchange experiences and profiles to allow interoperability of Grid environments, on *middleware* level. For example, GIN efforts ellow to submit jobs from gLite clients to Condor backends, etc, if the respective middleware is configured thus. Now, SAGA allows very similar things: to run applications on, say, gLite and Condor backends, w/o changin application logic, apoplication code, or submission mechanism. While our top-down approach certainly has shortcomings, it *is* an excellent complementary to the bottom-up effort of the GIN group. That is what we hope to discuss in that joint session, and what we also hope to demonstrate with our demos. So, if anybody feels like their planned SAGA demos are not only useful to the SAGA crowd, but could be equally interesting to the GON/PGI people, please come to that session, too, and show your demos a second time. For scheduling it would be great if you could send me a short notification, but showing up ad-hoc is certainly fine, too. Best, see you soon, Andre. Please note that I lost a bunch of emails over the last days/week - please repost if you feel like I need *even longer* than usual to answer a mail of yours - sorry for that! Quoting [Andre Merzky] (Oct 06 2010):
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 23:21:42 +0200 From: Andre Merzky <andre@merzky.net> To: SAGA RG <saga-rg@ogf.org> Subject: [SAGA-RG] sessions at OGF-30
Hi all,
we have the following sessions scheduled for OGF30:
Wednesday, October 27
Session 1: Time: 11:00 am - 12:30 pm Title: SAGA - General Discussion Summary: State of the SAGA-nation, and open discussion Agenda: - agenda bashing for all SAGA sessions - intro - state of the SAGA-nation, open discussion - open discussion - document business
Session 2: Time: 1:30 pm - 3:00 pm Title: SAGA Interop Feast Summary: showcase SAGA based access to a variety of middlewares Agenda: - TBA
Session 3: Time: 3:30 pm - 5:00 pm Title: SAGA - Working Session Summary: SAGA WG session Agenda: - overspill from interop feast - discussion current work and future steps - EMI/PGI/GIN relations - relations to other OGF groups - discussion of public comments
Thursday, October 28
Session 4: Time: 10:30 am - 12:00 pm Title: Application level Grid Interoperation Now (A GIN) Summary: Synchronizing of the interop efforts in the GIN and SAGA groups. Joint group session Agenda: - TBA. - SAGA demonstrations for the GIN community - GIN demonstrations for the SAGA community - discussion
Please note that session 2 and 4 have some overlap in scope. Ideally, we see the same demos in both sessions (from the saga side at least), but in session 2 discuss them in respect to SAGA development and specification, and in session 4 try to find a common denominator with the GIN efforts.
Please let me know if that all makes sense, if you like to add items to the agendas, etc.
Best, Andre.
Hi Andre, This mail is to answer some questions you asked during OGF SAGA session. 1) usage of monitoring in namespace package : I said that monitoring was used for implementing a progress-bar for file transfer in a GUI. In fact, the monitoring is done through a (non-standardized) metric of task, as you suspected it. 2) usage of permissions in namespace package : As I said during the session, this feature is used and very important for several JSAGA users. However, simple unix-like permissions would be enough for these use-cases, and anyway we don't have any adaptor supporting advanced ACL. As agreed upon during the SAGA Interop Feast, I have made a patch based on the new version 1.1 of the reference Java Bindings for SAGA, in order to enable coexistence of several Java implementations of SAGA as shown in our demo. I will send this patch in a separate mail. Best regards, Sylvain Andre Merzky a écrit :
Hi all,
we have the following sessions scheduled for OGF30:
Wednesday, October 27
Session 1: Time: 11:00 am - 12:30 pm Title: SAGA - General Discussion Summary: State of the SAGA-nation, and open discussion Agenda: - agenda bashing for all SAGA sessions - intro - state of the SAGA-nation, open discussion - open discussion - document business
Session 2: Time: 1:30 pm - 3:00 pm Title: SAGA Interop Feast Summary: showcase SAGA based access to a variety of middlewares Agenda: - TBA
Session 3: Time: 3:30 pm - 5:00 pm Title: SAGA - Working Session Summary: SAGA WG session Agenda: - overspill from interop feast - discussion current work and future steps - EMI/PGI/GIN relations - relations to other OGF groups - discussion of public comments
Thursday, October 28
Session 4: Time: 10:30 am - 12:00 pm Title: Application level Grid Interoperation Now (A GIN) Summary: Synchronizing of the interop efforts in the GIN and SAGA groups. Joint group session Agenda: - TBA. - SAGA demonstrations for the GIN community - GIN demonstrations for the SAGA community - discussion
Please note that session 2 and 4 have some overlap in scope. Ideally, we see the same demos in both sessions (from the saga side at least), but in session 2 discuss them in respect to SAGA development and specification, and in session 4 try to find a common denominator with the GIN efforts.
Please let me know if that all makes sense, if you like to add items to the agendas, etc.
Best, Andre.
Hi Sylvain, thanks for the follow up! Very much appreciated. FWIW, would it be possible to circulate your slides from OGF30? Yutaka, would it be possible for you to circulate your slides as well? On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Sylvain Reynaud <Sylvain.Reynaud@in2p3.fr> wrote:
Hi Andre,
This mail is to answer some questions you asked during OGF SAGA session.
1) usage of monitoring in namespace package : I said that monitoring was used for implementing a progress-bar for file transfer in a GUI. In fact, the monitoring is done through a (non-standardized) metric of task, as you suspected it.
Yes, that makes sense. That invites the question if one should not make the metrics on task extensible...
2) usage of permissions in namespace package : As I said during the session, this feature is used and very important for several JSAGA users. However, simple unix-like permissions would be enough for these use-cases, and anyway we don't have any adaptor supporting advanced ACL.
That is good to know :-) Thanks, best regards, Andre.
As agreed upon during the SAGA Interop Feast, I have made a patch based on the new version 1.1 of the reference Java Bindings for SAGA, in order to enable coexistence of several Java implementations of SAGA as shown in our demo. I will send this patch in a separate mail.
Best regards, Sylvain
Andre Merzky a écrit :
Hi all, we have the following sessions scheduled for OGF30:
Wednesday, October 27 Session 1: Time: 11:00 am - 12:30 pm Title: SAGA - General Discussion Summary: State of the SAGA-nation, and open discussion Agenda: - agenda bashing for all SAGA sessions - intro - state of the SAGA-nation, open discussion - open discussion - document business
Session 2: Time: 1:30 pm - 3:00 pm Title: SAGA Interop Feast Summary: showcase SAGA based access to a variety of middlewares Agenda: - TBA
Session 3: Time: 3:30 pm - 5:00 pm Title: SAGA - Working Session Summary: SAGA WG session Agenda: - overspill from interop feast - discussion current work and future steps - EMI/PGI/GIN relations - relations to other OGF groups - discussion of public comments
Thursday, October 28
Session 4: Time: 10:30 am - 12:00 pm Title: Application level Grid Interoperation Now (A GIN) Summary: Synchronizing of the interop efforts in the GIN and SAGA groups. Joint group session Agenda: - TBA. - SAGA demonstrations for the GIN community - GIN demonstrations for the SAGA community - discussion
Please note that session 2 and 4 have some overlap in scope. Ideally, we see the same demos in both sessions (from the saga side at least), but in session 2 discuss them in respect to SAGA development and specification, and in session 4 try to find a common denominator with the GIN efforts.
Please let me know if that all makes sense, if you like to add items to the agendas, etc.
Best, Andre.
-- Nothing is ever easy...
Hi Andre, Please find our slides attached to this mail. Best regards, Sylvain Andre Merzky a écrit :
Hi Sylvain,
thanks for the follow up! Very much appreciated.
FWIW, would it be possible to circulate your slides from OGF30? Yutaka, would it be possible for you to circulate your slides as well?
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Sylvain Reynaud <Sylvain.Reynaud@in2p3.fr> wrote:
Hi Andre,
This mail is to answer some questions you asked during OGF SAGA session.
1) usage of monitoring in namespace package : I said that monitoring was used for implementing a progress-bar for file transfer in a GUI. In fact, the monitoring is done through a (non-standardized) metric of task, as you suspected it.
Yes, that makes sense. That invites the question if one should not make the metrics on task extensible...
2) usage of permissions in namespace package : As I said during the session, this feature is used and very important for several JSAGA users. However, simple unix-like permissions would be enough for these use-cases, and anyway we don't have any adaptor supporting advanced ACL.
That is good to know :-)
Thanks, best regards,
Andre.
As agreed upon during the SAGA Interop Feast, I have made a patch based on the new version 1.1 of the reference Java Bindings for SAGA, in order to enable coexistence of several Java implementations of SAGA as shown in our demo. I will send this patch in a separate mail.
Best regards, Sylvain
Andre Merzky a écrit :
Hi all, we have the following sessions scheduled for OGF30:
Wednesday, October 27 Session 1: Time: 11:00 am - 12:30 pm Title: SAGA - General Discussion Summary: State of the SAGA-nation, and open discussion Agenda: - agenda bashing for all SAGA sessions - intro - state of the SAGA-nation, open discussion - open discussion - document business
Session 2: Time: 1:30 pm - 3:00 pm Title: SAGA Interop Feast Summary: showcase SAGA based access to a variety of middlewares Agenda: - TBA
Session 3: Time: 3:30 pm - 5:00 pm Title: SAGA - Working Session Summary: SAGA WG session Agenda: - overspill from interop feast - discussion current work and future steps - EMI/PGI/GIN relations - relations to other OGF groups - discussion of public comments
Thursday, October 28
Session 4: Time: 10:30 am - 12:00 pm Title: Application level Grid Interoperation Now (A GIN) Summary: Synchronizing of the interop efforts in the GIN and SAGA groups. Joint group session Agenda: - TBA. - SAGA demonstrations for the GIN community - GIN demonstrations for the SAGA community - discussion
Please note that session 2 and 4 have some overlap in scope. Ideally, we see the same demos in both sessions (from the saga side at least), but in session 2 discuss them in respect to SAGA development and specification, and in session 4 try to find a common denominator with the GIN efforts.
Please let me know if that all makes sense, if you like to add items to the agendas, etc.
Best, Andre.
Many thanks! :-) Best, Andre. On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Sylvain Reynaud <Sylvain.Reynaud@in2p3.fr> wrote:
Hi Andre,
Please find our slides attached to this mail.
Best regards, Sylvain
Andre Merzky a écrit :
Hi Sylvain,
thanks for the follow up! Very much appreciated.
FWIW, would it be possible to circulate your slides from OGF30? Yutaka, would it be possible for you to circulate your slides as well?
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Sylvain Reynaud <Sylvain.Reynaud@in2p3.fr> wrote:
Hi Andre,
This mail is to answer some questions you asked during OGF SAGA session.
1) usage of monitoring in namespace package : I said that monitoring was used for implementing a progress-bar for file transfer in a GUI. In fact, the monitoring is done through a (non-standardized) metric of task, as you suspected it.
Yes, that makes sense. That invites the question if one should not make the metrics on task extensible...
2) usage of permissions in namespace package : As I said during the session, this feature is used and very important for several JSAGA users. However, simple unix-like permissions would be enough for these use-cases, and anyway we don't have any adaptor supporting advanced ACL.
That is good to know :-)
Thanks, best regards,
Andre.
As agreed upon during the SAGA Interop Feast, I have made a patch based on the new version 1.1 of the reference Java Bindings for SAGA, in order to enable coexistence of several Java implementations of SAGA as shown in our demo. I will send this patch in a separate mail.
Best regards, Sylvain
Andre Merzky a écrit :
Hi all, we have the following sessions scheduled for OGF30:
Wednesday, October 27 Session 1: Time: 11:00 am - 12:30 pm Title: SAGA - General Discussion Summary: State of the SAGA-nation, and open discussion Agenda: - agenda bashing for all SAGA sessions - intro - state of the SAGA-nation, open discussion - open discussion - document business
Session 2: Time: 1:30 pm - 3:00 pm Title: SAGA Interop Feast Summary: showcase SAGA based access to a variety of middlewares Agenda: - TBA
Session 3: Time: 3:30 pm - 5:00 pm Title: SAGA - Working Session Summary: SAGA WG session Agenda: - overspill from interop feast - discussion current work and future steps - EMI/PGI/GIN relations - relations to other OGF groups - discussion of public comments
Thursday, October 28
Session 4: Time: 10:30 am - 12:00 pm Title: Application level Grid Interoperation Now (A GIN) Summary: Synchronizing of the interop efforts in the GIN and SAGA groups. Joint group session Agenda: - TBA. - SAGA demonstrations for the GIN community - GIN demonstrations for the SAGA community - discussion
Please note that session 2 and 4 have some overlap in scope. Ideally, we see the same demos in both sessions (from the saga side at least), but in session 2 discuss them in respect to SAGA development and specification, and in session 4 try to find a common denominator with the GIN efforts.
Please let me know if that all makes sense, if you like to add items to the agendas, etc.
Best, Andre.
-- Nothing is ever easy...
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