General Notes from GGF15 (Boston):
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  - Charter discussion:
    - see NOTES.bitflipping.txt
    - see new WG charter proposal (session 3 notes)

  - GridCPR:
    - consider adoption of SAGA look&feel
    - are interested in _using_ SAGA API calls internally (?) to
      contact middleware (e.g. to move a file)
    - are intersted in async notification for checkpoint
      requests etc.
    - lessons learnt:
      - SAGA API document should make clear which parts are
        'look&feel', which parts are middleware interactions
      - async notification is of interest
      - after stable SAGA-V.1, GridCPR might be a candidate for
        future extended SAGA-V.2 scope
        
  - GridRPC:
    - SAGA has many RPC use cases
    - there is enough overlap to consider having RPC as a
      subsystem in SAGA at some point in the future (once again,
      after stable SAGA-V.1, in a future extended SAGA-V.2 scope)
    - there were interesting dicussions about the async call
      models used in SAGA and GridRPC - see additional notes
      about the task model discussion
    - there is an agreement to discuss a SAGA RPC subsystem on
      the mailing lists, and in future F2F meetings

  - SAGA visibility:
    - many sessions (API and middleware) mention and refer to
      SAGA
    - we got a slot in the closing plenary to present our
      progress
    - there we got feedback from Malcolm: do we consider a SAGA
      API for OGSA-DAI?  Is that in the scope of the group?
      Answer: not unless use cases and active involvement

      We had further discussions with Malcolm and Dave Snelling.
      The general message from them was that SAGA like APIs might
      prove useful at multiple levels: application oriented (as
      our current strawman API), and also closer to middleware
      models (e.g. a SAGA like API explicitly representing the
      OGSA model), and in between (e.g. for OGSA-DAI).

      Our point of view is that although this present interesting
      opportunities, it significantly increases the complexity
      and scope of SAGA and will not be possible without critical
      input from the various interested groups at the different
      levels. Thus extending SAGA in this direction is felt to be
      out of our scope and ability at the present moment.