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Fwd (yoshio.tanaka@aist.go.jp): [gridrpc-wg] GridRPC API document has been submitted to 60days public comments
by Andre Merzky 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

FYI - the GGF GridRPC group has a document in public review - comments to the gridrpc-wg(a)ggf.org mailing list are certainly welcome. Cheers, Andre. ----- Forwarded message from Yoshio Tanaka <yoshio.tanaka(a)aist.go.jp> ----- > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:52:51 +0900 (JST) > To: gridrpc-wg(a)gridforum.org > Subject: [gridrpc-wg] GridRPC API document has been submitted to 60days public comments > From: Yoshio Tanaka <yoshio.tanaka(a)aist.go.jp> > > > Dear all, > > "A GridRPC Model and API for End-User Applications" has been approved > by the GFSG and submitted to 60days public comments. > > Public comments can be viewed and submitted via the GridForge Editor > pages (see Forums) or: > > http://www.ggf.org/documents > > Public comments play an important part in the advancement of a GGF > draft and publication as a document in the GGF document series. > An active public comment period strengthens the case that the document > is a useful and desired work product for some community of consumers. > > Please make public comments, even if the essence is as simple as, "I > have read this, and support it." > > Keith and Frederic, > Would you circulate the public comment availability to NetSolve and > DIET users? -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Andre Merzky | phon: +31 - 20 - 598 - 7759 | | Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam (VU) | fax : +31 - 20 - 598 - 7653 | | Dept. of Computer Science | mail: merzky(a)cs.vu.nl | | De Boelelaan 1083a | www: http://www.merzky.net | | 1081 HV Amsterdam, Netherlands | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+

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GGF13 scheduling
by Shantenu Jha 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Hi All, SAGA-RG is planning three sessions at GGF13. Approxm. two sessions will focus on the status of the strawman API and the design team meetings held in December and Jan/Feb. The third will discuss the next steps and AOBs (A more formal agenda will be published next week). We're about to request meeting slots. If you'd like to attend SAGA sessions, but have constraints, please let me know ASAP and we'll try to accommodate as many requests as best possible while scheduling sessions. Also, of the 5 groups that we can request SAGA sessions not conflict with we have 4 (APPS-RG, GridCPR, DRMAA, OGSA). Quick suggestions for a fifth? Shantenu -- Shantenu Jha, Research Fellow Centre for Computational Science http://www.realitygrid.org University College London (UCL) PGP Key ID 0x78F823E6 s dot jha at ucl dot ac dot uk +44 (0) 20-7679-5300

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RE: [saga-rg] GGF13 scheduling
by Rajic, Hrabri 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Maybe GRAAP, Globus GRAM people usually attend it or JSDL. -Hrabri -----Original Message----- From: owner-saga-rg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-saga-rg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Shantenu Jha Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:32 AM To: saga-rg(a)ggf.org Subject: [saga-rg] GGF13 scheduling Hi All, SAGA-RG is planning three sessions at GGF13. Approxm. two sessions will focus on the status of the strawman API and the design team meetings held in December and Jan/Feb. The third will discuss the next steps and AOBs (A more formal agenda will be published next week). We're about to request meeting slots. If you'd like to attend SAGA sessions, but have constraints, please let me know ASAP and we'll try to accommodate as many requests as best possible while scheduling sessions. Also, of the 5 groups that we can request SAGA sessions not conflict with we have 4 (APPS-RG, GridCPR, DRMAA, OGSA). Quick suggestions for a fifth? Shantenu -- Shantenu Jha, Research Fellow Centre for Computational Science http://www.realitygrid.org University College London (UCL) PGP Key ID 0x78F823E6 s dot jha at ucl dot ac dot uk +44 (0) 20-7679-5300

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RE: [saga-rg] Re: OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission
by Rajic, Hrabri 09 Feb '05

09 Feb '05

> 4) Simple job submission BoF preparation (30 min) line does not reflect well what was meant as a work for the group. The choice of words was simply unfortunate. What OGSA-WG had in mind should have come as an input from discussions summarized in the attached document which mostly appears to not have direct relevance for SAGA-RG work. It this point I pass the role of the middleman to Chris who should be able to give more background for the SAGA-RG if necessary. Let me put my industry hat and clarify the last point. Even though Grid APIs are not the same as the MPI standard, just imagine having different MPI standards for physicists, biochemists, CS people, etc all approved by the same standards body. I do not know if SAGA API could answer everyone's Grid API needs, but it is worth a try. -Hrabri -----Original Message----- From: John Shalf [mailto:jshalf@lbl.gov] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:37 AM To: Bill Nitzberg; ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org; Rajic, Hrabri; Simple API for Grid Applications WG; Stephen Pickles; Tom Goodale Subject: Re: [saga-rg] Re: OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Tom Goodale wrote: >> Would >> SAGA-RG people like to engage OGSA EMC and possibly co-sponsor a >> Simple >> job submission WG? This could be a nice opportunity to tie in the >> classic API and the WSDL approach. > > I'm not sure how relevent this would be, unless you are thinking of a > direct mapping of the SAGA API into WSDL, which may not make sense, > and would probably constrain the new group too much, however we should > certainly make sure we have some people at the BoF. Well, this should be cause for further discussion. The application programmer point of view on this will be "I don't really care what's underneath as long as it does what I ask of it when I call the right subroutine". So the WSDL mapping is more on the implementation side of things. That being said, having a working implementation is quite important. So it may be very interesting to pursue as a path to implementation (albeit not the only path). I think the concern on the SAGA side is that the WSDL interface will be adjusted to accommodate the semantics defined by the application use cases rather than the other way around. But this sounds pretty reasonable to me. >> One thing to consider: Do we really need APIs in SRM, APME, and now >> in >> ARCH areas? > > I'm not sure I understand this question ? We have APIs for the > functional areas we identified from our use cases. Just to echo this part of Tom's note, the API's are driven by the use cases. The use cases thus far didn't describe any good SRM applications (or at least SRM-like requirements were not described in enough detail for us to act upon). It could just be that the apps people are so bogged down in remote file access issues that they don't realize they need good Storage Resource Management systems yet. If we get some well described SRM, APME, or ARCH use cases, that will motivate development of APIs in those areas. (its not that those areas are not important) -john

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OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission
by Rajic, Hrabri 08 Feb '05

08 Feb '05

Tom, Are OGSA EMC people aware of the most recent SAGA-RG work? Would SAGA-RG people like to engage OGSA EMC and possibly co-sponsor a Simple job submission WG? This could be a nice opportunity to tie in the classic API and the WSDL approach. One thing to consider: Do we really need APIs in SRM, APME, and now in ARCH areas? Hrabri ---- from "[ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Feb. 7th call" mail by Hiro ------- 4) Simple job submission BoF preparation (30 min) From the minutes of Jan. 19 call. > - There is a plan to do an EM-related BoF. Stacey should know about > it but it is not the job of the OGSA-WG to tell her---the > proposed-chairs should do it. Preparation has not progressed to > that point yet so Andrew as Area Director will take care of it. > Action: Andrew as Area director to send an email to the directors of > the relevant Area (SRM: Bill, Stephen) to let them know of > the proposed BoF; also to Stacey to reserve a slot. > - Andrew mentioned that on the Data call there was a discussion for > a similar BoF for Data. -Hrabri

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BOUNCE saga-rg@ggf.org: Non-member submission from ["Andrew Grimshaw" <grimshaw@cs.virginia.edu>] (fwd)
by Shantenu Jha 07 Feb '05

07 Feb '05

From: "Andrew Grimshaw" <grimshaw(a)cs.virginia.edu> To: "'Rajic, Hrabri'" <hrabri.rajic(a)intel.com>, "'Tom Goodale'" <goodale(a)cct.lsu.edu> Cc: <saga-rg(a)ggf.org>, <ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org>, "'Bill Nitzberg'" <bill(a)computer.org>, "'Stephen Pickles'" <stephen.pickles(a)man.ac.uk> Subject: RE: [ogsa-wg] OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:25:55 -0500 I've been preparing a Basic EMS Services BOF request based on the EMS documents we have and on the results of last week's EMS F2F in London. The proposed WG does NOT collide in anyway with JSDL. It is not about "job submission" - it is about execution management at is simplest. It is highly complementary in the sense that JSDL is about description - and the proposed WG is about services to realize what JSDL specifies. I will be reporting on in during the call tonight - as called for in the agenda Hiro sent around. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg@ggf.org] On Behalf Of Rajic, Hrabri Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:16 PM To: Tom Goodale Cc: saga-rg(a)ggf.org; ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org; Bill Nitzberg; Stephen Pickles Subject: [ogsa-wg] OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission Tom, Are OGSA EMC people aware of the most recent SAGA-RG work? Would SAGA-RG people like to engage OGSA EMC and possibly co-sponsor a Simple job submission WG? This could be a nice opportunity to tie in the classic API and the WSDL approach. One thing to consider: Do we really need APIs in SRM, APME, and now in ARCH areas? Hrabri ---- from "[ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Feb. 7th call" mail by Hiro ------- 4) Simple job submission BoF preparation (30 min) From the minutes of Jan. 19 call. > - There is a plan to do an EM-related BoF. Stacey should know about > it but it is not the job of the OGSA-WG to tell her---the > proposed-chairs should do it. Preparation has not progressed to > that point yet so Andrew as Area Director will take care of it. > Action: Andrew as Area director to send an email to the directors of > the relevant Area (SRM: Bill, Stephen) to let them know of > the proposed BoF; also to Stacey to reserve a slot. > - Andrew mentioned that on the Data call there was a discussion for > a similar BoF for Data. -Hrabri

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BOUNCE saga-rg@ggf.org: Non-member submission from [Ian Foster <foster@mcs.anl.gov>] (fwd)
by Shantenu Jha 07 Feb '05

07 Feb '05

To: "Rajic, Hrabri" <hrabri.rajic(a)intel.com>, "Tom Goodale" <goodale(a)cct.lsu.edu> From: Ian Foster <foster(a)mcs.anl.gov> Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] OGSA EMC BoF on Simple job submission Cc: <saga-rg(a)ggf.org>, <ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org>, "Bill Nitzberg" <bill(a)computer.org>, "Stephen Pickles" <stephen.pickles(a)man.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <CBEB78A9FCF04346A0F0A34F53AD230A082E0F2D(a)fmsmsx403.amr.cor p.intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Hrabri: I would think that the job submission thing we need is almost completely trivial, as noted in earlier emails on ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org: it is basically a "create" call, with a JSDL string; the (also very simple) WSRF mechanisms then address the few other functions needed. The complexities all live in the JSDL, not the WSDL. On the API side, I'd strongly encourage the SAGA guys to look at the GT4 GRAM API, as it is makes it easy to do simple things, while also addressing many other things like staging, delegation, etc. See http://www-unix.globus.org/toolkit/docs/development/4.0-drafts/execution/ws…. Ian. At 09:15 AM 2/7/2005 -0800, Rajic, Hrabri wrote: >Tom, > >Are OGSA EMC people aware of the most recent SAGA-RG work? Would >SAGA-RG people like to engage OGSA EMC and possibly co-sponsor a Simple >job submission WG? This could be a nice opportunity to tie in the >classic API and the WSDL approach. > >One thing to consider: Do we really need APIs in SRM, APME, and now in >ARCH areas? > >Hrabri > > >---- from "[ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Feb. 7th call" mail by Hiro >------- > >4) Simple job submission BoF preparation (30 min) > From the minutes of Jan. 19 call. > > - There is a plan to do an EM-related BoF. Stacey should know about > > it but it is not the job of the OGSA-WG to tell her---the > > proposed-chairs should do it. Preparation has not progressed to > > that point yet so Andrew as Area Director will take care of it. > > > Action: Andrew as Area director to send an email to the directors of > > the relevant Area (SRM: Bill, Stephen) to let them know of > > the proposed BoF; also to Stacey to reserve a slot. > > > - Andrew mentioned that on the Data call there was a discussion for > > a similar BoF for Data. > > -Hrabri > _______________________________________________________________ Ian Foster www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster Math & Computer Science Div. Dept of Computer Science Argonne National Laboratory The University of Chicago Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A. Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A. Tel: 630 252 4619 Fax: 630 252 1997 Globus Alliance, www.globus.org --=====================_254568249==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <html> <body> Hrabri: I would think that the job submission thing we need is almost completely trivial, as noted in earlier emails on ogsa-wg(a)ggf.org: it is basically a "create" call, with a JSDL string; the (also very simple) WSRF mechanisms then address the few other functions needed. The complexities all live in the JSDL, not the WSDL. On the API side, I'd strongly encourage the SAGA guys to look at the GT4 GRAM API, as it is makes it easy to do simple things, while also addressing many other things like staging, delegation, etc. See <a href="http://www-unix.globus.org/toolkit/docs/development/4.0-drafts/execution/ws…" eudora="autourl">http://www-unix.globus.org/toolkit/docs/development/4.0-drafts/execution/ws…</a>. Ian. At 09:15 AM 2/7/2005 -0800, Rajic, Hrabri wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Tom, Are OGSA EMC people aware of the most recent SAGA-RG work?  Would SAGA-RG people like to engage OGSA EMC and possibly co-sponsor a Simple job submission WG?  This could be a nice opportunity to tie in the classic API and the WSDL approach. One thing to consider:  Do we really need APIs in SRM, APME, and now in ARCH areas? Hrabri ---- from "[ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Feb. 7th call" mail by Hiro ------- 4) Simple job submission BoF preparation (30 min)        From the minutes of Jan. 19 call. > - There is a plan to do an EM-related BoF. Stacey should know about >     it but it is not the job of the OGSA-WG to tell her---the >     proposed-chairs should do it. Preparation has not progressed to >     that point yet so Andrew as Area Director will take care of it. >   Action: Andrew as Area director to send an email to the directors of >          the relevant Area (SRM: Bill, Stephen) to let them know of >          the proposed BoF; also to Stacey to reserve a slot. >  - Andrew mentioned that on the Data call there was a discussion for >    a similar BoF for Data.     -Hrabri  </blockquote> <x-sigsep></x-sigsep> _______________________________________________________________ <tt>Ian Foster                    <a href="http://www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster" eudora="autourl">www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster</a> Math & Computer Science Div.  Dept of Computer Science Argonne National Laboratory   The University of Chicago    Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A.     Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A. Tel: 630 252 4619             Fax: 630 252 1997         Globus Alliance, <a href="http://www.globus.org/" eudora="autourl">www.globus.org</a> </body> </html> --=====================_254568249==.ALT--

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