Yeah, I agree on this one document Oxana - but with obviously two fronts already established it's hard to agree on one and that's why I proposed to have this factsheet approach with both voices in it per item/operation - but this is not what the group wants obviously... :-) However, just that we are all sure that we have these fronts as follows: Front 1 Keeping BES/JSDL nearly as is and try to fit / squeeze solutions for the requirements in it or put them close to them (e.g. modify portType operations already existing). Front 2 Taking bits and pieces from BES/JSDL where it makes sense (w/o structures), but define a new structure (e.g. new portType operations) by still referencing to the origin in the respective source documents. Realistically, both fronts mean no backwards compatibility to a BES 1.0. Since the beginning it was 'start from scratch vs. not changing old elements'. Now, we have Front 1 willing to change views towards changing a few standard elements and Front 2 willing to keep elements (at least w/o structure) from good elements of the standard by creating a new structure. This already means we getting closer together over time - so I'm looking forward to further discussions today. End of the philosophical work, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Forschungszentrum Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel@fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender)

------Original Message----- -From: pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of -Oxana Smirnova -Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:55 PM -To: pgi-wg@ogf.org -Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] Promised document - -Hi, - -20.05.2009 13:36, Morris Riedel пишет: -> Hi, -> ->> - We will *always* have the two front, ... -> -> ... we shouldn't - in the end, all we want is interoperability and I hope we -> still can get consensus that makes sense and not drift off like in an -> IDL-like thinking where solutions come up that are not interoperable at -> all... -> - -Precisely, and to avoid two or three or N fronts, we must establish a -procedure. When a document is circulated for comments or additions, -these comments/additions should be attached/included to the circulated -document. They must not come in form of another document that in turns -demands a separate round of comments. - -So, let's take one document at a time, and let's formalize a bit the way -comments are submitted. Specifically, I find it convenient when comments -are in-line, and additions/corrections are inserted with tracing of -changes switched on. This will hopefully prevent opening new fronts. I -do not want to merge two or three or N documents, I want to finish work -on ONE document first. - -Cheers, -Oxana -_______________________________________________ -Pgi-wg mailing list -Pgi-wg@ogf.org -http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg