Condensed requirements list
Morris et al, Is the condensed requirements list available. Mark and I would like to go over it in advance of meeting next week. A
Hi Morris, As would we here in the UK David On 21/04/2010 15:22, "Andrew Grimshaw" <grimshaw@virginia.edu> wrote:
Morris et al, Is the condensed requirements list available. Mark and I would like to go over it in advance of meeting next week. A
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Hi folks, enclosed you find a first set of the condensed requirements. We will discuss this initial set tomorrow - more requirements will be condensed on Friday to be available before Amsterdam. Etienne is about to make the connection in the wiki to the ids in the list. Hence, all those that have no id have been postponed and thus not put in the condensed list (but several of them can be added after discussions tomorrow). We started from the top w/o the non-functional requirements. More tomorrow. Take care, Morris ________________________________ Von: pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] im Auftrag von David Wallom [david.wallom@oerc.ox.ac.uk] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. April 2010 13:37 An: Andrew Grimshaw; Pgi-wg@ogf.org Betreff: Re: [Pgi-wg] Condensed requirements list Hi Morris, As would we here in the UK David On 21/04/2010 15:22, "Andrew Grimshaw" <grimshaw@virginia.edu<UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote: Morris et al, Is the condensed requirements list available. Mark and I would like to go over it in advance of meeting next week. A ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Pgi-wg mailing list Pgi-wg@ogf.org<UrlBlockedError.aspx> http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg -- =================================== Dr David Wallom Technical Manager Oxford e-Research Centre University of Oxford Rm 160, 7 Keble Road Oxford OX1 3QG +44(0)1865 610601 =================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt, Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks Morris, A little light reading J A From: Riedel, Morris [mailto:m.riedel@fz-juelich.de] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:15 PM To: David Wallom; Andrew Grimshaw; Pgi-wg@ogf.org Subject: AW: [Pgi-wg] Condensed requirements list Hi folks, enclosed you find a first set of the condensed requirements. We will discuss this initial set tomorrow - more requirements will be condensed on Friday to be available before Amsterdam. Etienne is about to make the connection in the wiki to the ids in the list. Hence, all those that have no id have been postponed and thus not put in the condensed list (but several of them can be added after discussions tomorrow). We started from the top w/o the non-functional requirements. More tomorrow. Take care, Morris _____ Von: pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] im Auftrag von David Wallom [david.wallom@oerc.ox.ac.uk] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. April 2010 13:37 An: Andrew Grimshaw; Pgi-wg@ogf.org Betreff: Re: [Pgi-wg] Condensed requirements list Hi Morris, As would we here in the UK David On 21/04/2010 15:22, "Andrew Grimshaw" <grimshaw@virginia.edu> wrote: Morris et al, Is the condensed requirements list available. Mark and I would like to go over it in advance of meeting next week. A _____ _______________________________________________ Pgi-wg mailing list Pgi-wg@ogf.org http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/pgi-wg -- =================================== Dr David Wallom Technical Manager Oxford e-Research Centre University of Oxford Rm 160, 7 Keble Road Oxford OX1 3QG +44(0)1865 610601 =================================== ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt, Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------
Morris, Balazs, Luigi, Johannes and all, Concerning the 'Requirements Wiki' containing Requirements tables at http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/Requirem... : - I have updated all DETAIL pages covered by today's telephone conference, that is following sections : - IS Information functionality - AA Security (Authentication, Authorization, Delegation) - AR Application Repository - Ac Accounting - LB Logging and Bookkeeping - Inside the MAIN Requirements Wiki page, I have updated only following section yet : - IS Information functionality Best regards. ----------------------------------------------------- Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr ----------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 21/04/2010 22:15, Riedel, Morris wrote:
Hi folks, enclosed you find a first set of the condensed requirements. We will discuss this initial set tomorrow - more requirements will be condensed on Friday to be available before Amsterdam. Etienne is about to make the connection in the wiki to the ids in the list. Hence, all those that have no id have been postponed and thus not put in the condensed list (but several of them can be added after discussions tomorrow). We started from the top w/o the non-functional requirements. More tomorrow. Take care, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Von:* pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] im Auftrag von David Wallom [david.wallom@oerc.ox.ac.uk] *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 21. April 2010 13:37 *An:* Andrew Grimshaw; Pgi-wg@ogf.org *Betreff:* Re: [Pgi-wg] Condensed requirements list
Hi Morris,
As would we here in the UK
David
On 21/04/2010 15:22, "Andrew Grimshaw" <grimshaw@virginia.edu <UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:
Morris et al, Is the condensed requirements list available. Mark and I would like to go over it in advance of meeting next week. A
-- =================================== Dr David Wallom Technical Manager Oxford e-Research Centre University of Oxford Rm 160, 7 Keble Road Oxford OX1 3QG
+44(0)1865 610601 ===================================
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On Wed, 21/04/2010 22:34, Etienne URBAH wrote:
Morris, Balazs, Luigi, Johannes and all,
Concerning the 'Requirements Wiki' containing Requirements tables at http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/Requirem... :
- I have updated all DETAIL pages covered by today's telephone conference, that is following sections : - IS Information functionality - AA Security (Authentication, Authorization, Delegation) - AR Application Repository - Ac Accounting - LB Logging and Bookkeeping This is the adequate place to add your own explanations, questions, remarks, suggestions and opinions.
- Inside the MAIN Requirements Wiki page, I have updated only following section yet : - IS Information functionality Now, following sections are also up to date inside the main page : - AA Security (Authentication, Authorization, Delegation) - AR Application Repository - Ac Accounting - LB Logging and Bookkeeping
Best regards.
----------------------------------------------------- Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr -----------------------------------------------------
Morris, Balazs, Luigi, Johannes and all,
Concerning the 'Requirements Wiki' containing Requirements tables at
http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/RequirementsTable
:
I have re-proposed following requirements with improved title :
- IS2 Each Service MUST publish its properties (Name, Type,
Endpoints, ...) and the properties of its Endpoints in conformance with
GLUE recommendations
- IS8 For not yet finished Activities, the Information functionality
MUST accept requests querying the Activity Status, and MUST return this
Status with different levels of verbosity (basic, detailed, more detailed)
- IS9 For already finished Activities, the Information functionality
SHOULD accept requests querying the Activity Status, but MAY return an error
- IS10 For requests querying Activity Status, the Information
functionality MUST accept, as input parameter, 1 Activity ID
- IS13 For requests querying Activity Status, the Information
functionality SHOULD support query languages
- Ac1 The global Accounting functionality consolidates Accounting
data at the grid level, securely keeps accounting data as persistent,
implements complex accounting queries, and support the corresponding CPU
load.
Therefore, those Accounting sub-functionalities MUST NOT be
implemented by the Execution Service (which has performance requirements
for Activity Management), but by a completely separate Accounting Service.
Best regards.
-----------------------------------------------------
Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS
Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France
Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah
Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr
-----------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 22/04/2010 20:19, Etienne URBAH wrote:
> On Wed, 21/04/2010 22:34, Etienne URBAH wrote:
>> Morris, Balazs, Luigi, Johannes and all,
>>
>> Concerning the 'Requirements Wiki' containing Requirements tables at
>> http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/RequirementsTable
>>
>> :
>>
>> - I have updated all DETAIL pages covered by today's telephone
>> conference, that is following sections :
>> - IS Information functionality
>> - AA Security (Authentication, Authorization, Delegation)
>> - AR Application Repository
>> - Ac Accounting
>> - LB Logging and Bookkeeping
> This is the adequate place to add your own explanations, questions,
> remarks, suggestions and opinions.
>>
>> - Inside the MAIN Requirements Wiki page, I have updated only following
>> section yet :
>> - IS Information functionality
> Now, following sections are also up to date inside the main page :
> - AA Security (Authentication, Authorization, Delegation)
> - AR Application Repository
> - Ac Accounting
> - LB Logging and Bookkeeping
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS
>> Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France
>> Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah
>> Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr
>> -----------------------------------------------------
Morris, Balazs, Luigi, Johannes and all, Concerning the 'Requirements Wiki' containing Requirements tables at http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/Requirem... : Correcting my preceding mail, I have NOT re-proposed IS10. I have re-proposed following requirements with improved title : - IS2 Each Service MUST publish its properties (Name, Type, Endpoints, ...) and the properties of its Endpoints in conformance with GLUE recommendations - IS8 For not yet finished Activities, the Information functionality MUST accept requests querying the Activity Status, and MUST return this Status with different levels of verbosity (basic, detailed, more detailed) - IS9 For already finished Activities, the Information functionality SHOULD accept requests querying the Activity Status, but MAY return an error - IS13 For requests querying Activity Status, the Information functionality SHOULD support query languages - Ac1 The global Accounting functionality consolidates Accounting data at the grid level, securely keeps accounting data as persistent, implements complex accounting queries, and support the corresponding CPU load. Therefore, those Accounting sub-functionalities MUST NOT be implemented by the Execution Service (which has performance requirements for Activity Management), but by a completely separate Accounting Service. Best regards. ----------------------------------------------------- Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr ----------------------------------------------------- On 22/04/2010 20:19, Etienne URBAH wrote:
Morris, Balazs, Luigi, Johannes and all,
Concerning the 'Requirements Wiki' containing Requirements tables at http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/Requirem... :
I have re-proposed following requirements with improved title :
- IS2 Each Service MUST publish its properties (Name, Type, Endpoints, ...) and the properties of its Endpoints in conformance with GLUE recommendations
- IS8 For not yet finished Activities, the Information functionality MUST accept requests querying the Activity Status, and MUST return this Status with different levels of verbosity (basic, detailed, more detailed)
- IS9 For already finished Activities, the Information functionality SHOULD accept requests querying the Activity Status, but MAY return an error
- IS10 For requests querying Activity Status, the Information functionality MUST accept, as input parameter, 1 Activity ID
- IS13 For requests querying Activity Status, the Information functionality SHOULD support query languages
- Ac1 The global Accounting functionality consolidates Accounting data at the grid level, securely keeps accounting data as persistent, implements complex accounting queries, and support the corresponding CPU load. Therefore, those Accounting sub-functionalities MUST NOT be implemented by the Execution Service (which has performance requirements for Activity Management), but by a completely separate Accounting Service.
Best regards.
Morris, Balazs, Luigi, Johannes and all, Concerning the 'Requirements Wiki' containing Requirements tables at http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/Requirem... : - Inside the MAIN Requirements Wiki page, I have updated the 'Activity Management' section according to the telephone conference of this morning. - Morris or Balazs, please send me your Excel spreadsheet so that I can report inside the Wiki the requirement titles which you have written down inside your Excel spreadsheet (a PDF forbidding selection and copy of text is NOT useful). - I am beginning to update the DETAIL pages. Best regards. ----------------------------------------------------- Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr ----------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 23/04/2010 09:48, Etienne URBAH wrote:
Morris, Balazs, Luigi, Johannes and all,
Concerning the 'Requirements Wiki' containing Requirements tables at http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/Requirem... :
Correcting my preceding mail, I have NOT re-proposed IS10.
I have re-proposed following requirements with improved title :
- IS2 Each Service MUST publish its properties (Name, Type, Endpoints, ...) and the properties of its Endpoints in conformance with GLUE recommendations
- IS8 For not yet finished Activities, the Information functionality MUST accept requests querying the Activity Status, and MUST return this Status with different levels of verbosity (basic, detailed, more detailed)
- IS9 For already finished Activities, the Information functionality SHOULD accept requests querying the Activity Status, but MAY return an error
- IS13 For requests querying Activity Status, the Information functionality SHOULD support query languages
- Ac1 The global Accounting functionality consolidates Accounting data at the grid level, securely keeps accounting data as persistent, implements complex accounting queries, and support the corresponding CPU load. Therefore, those Accounting sub-functionalities MUST NOT be implemented by the Execution Service (which has performance requirements for Activity Management), but by a completely separate Accounting Service.
Best regards.
----------------------------------------------------- Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr -----------------------------------------------------
Notes on current list: Information: Are we suggesting that the execution service itself must provide the information metadata or that a separate service within the profile provides this? Security, 9 & 10, these seem to be implementation details rather than specification requirements? 36: is seen as essential for inclusion in any prod profile by the UK 37 & 38 are not the execution services problems but a whole infrastructures considerations I am assuming that there are more due here for activity management etc?? David On 21/04/2010 21:15, "Morris Riedel" <m.riedel@fz-juelich.de> wrote:
Hi folks,
enclosed you find a first set of the condensed requirements.
We will discuss this initial set tomorrow - more requirements will be condensed on Friday to be available before Amsterdam.
Etienne is about to make the connection in the wiki to the ids in the list. Hence, all those that have no id have been postponed and thus not put in the condensed list (but several of them can be added after discussions tomorrow).
We started from the top w/o the non-functional requirements.
More tomorrow.
Take care, Morris
Von: pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] im Auftrag von David Wallom [david.wallom@oerc.ox.ac.uk] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. April 2010 13:37 An: Andrew Grimshaw; Pgi-wg@ogf.org Betreff: Re: [Pgi-wg] Condensed requirements list
Hi Morris,
As would we here in the UK
David
On 21/04/2010 15:22, "Andrew Grimshaw" <grimshaw@virginia.edu <UrlBlockedError.aspx> > wrote:
Morris et al, Is the condensed requirements list available. Mark and I would like to go over it in advance of meeting next week. A
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