Re: [Pgi-wg] Promised document
Morris Riedel wrote:
Hi team,
and had not seen any comment to Andrew’s document?
- I haven't seen any real comments to the GES rendering document either.
Yeah that was my idea with the factsheet, which had the views of both documents merged - but this was ignored and now we have again our two fronts...
We will *always* have the two front, but I'll give my views later during the teleconference. Anyway I should point out that during the last call there was no time left to discuss anything else, which in my opinion was fine anyway because we had the opportunity to understand the "GES realization via existing specification" document quite well. By the way, I've not yet put formal minutes of the last meetings on the wiki. From my recallings, here they are (please double check the list of participants, I remember that there was at least another person from the University of Virginia but I do not remember the name): ---------- Teleconference on 2009-05-13, 04:00 CET Presents: - Andrew Grimshaw - Aleksandr Konstantinov - Moreno Marzolla - Morris Riedel - Etienne Urbah - David Wallom Apologies: - Johannes Watzl Discussion: - Andrew illustrated in detail the document "GES realization via existing specifications" http://forge.ogf.org/sf/go/doc15630?nav=1 (version 1). - The discussion pinpointed some requirements (from the "Execution Service Strawman" document "http://forge.ogf.org/sf/go/doc15590?nav=1 ) which are not clear enough. In particular, the requirement of "support for parallel jobs" should be clarified (e.g., state clearly what is intended by "parallel job"). - David suggested to check the "JSDL parameter sweep extension" draft as it could allow describing a set of arbitrarily different jobs (for the requirement of bulk job submission to the execution service, which is a feature currently not supported). ---------- Moreno. -- Moreno Marzolla INFN Sezione di Padova, via Marzolo 8, 35131 PADOVA, Italy EMail: moreno.marzolla@pd.infn.it Phone: +39 049 8277103 WWW : http://www.dsi.unive.it/~marzolla Fax : +39 049 8756233
Hi team,
- David suggested to check the "JSDL parameter sweep -extension" draft as it could allow describing a set of arbitrarily -different jobs (for the requirement of bulk job submission to the -execution service, which is a feature currently not supported).
FYI: I did an excerpt of this standard yesterday, I put it on gridforge for those that seek a short insight: http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/docman/do/downloadDocument/projects.pgi-wg/doc man.root.input_documents.execution_service/doc15635 So far, it looks like a reasonable good emerging standard lacking implementations I guess - but yet another JSDL extension... :-) Take care, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Forschungszentrum Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel@fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender)
------Original Message----- -From: Moreno Marzolla [mailto:moreno.marzolla@pd.infn.it] -Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:52 AM -To: Morris Riedel -Cc: 'Balazs Konya'; 'Steven Newhouse'; pgi-wg@ogf.org -Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] Promised document - -Morris Riedel wrote: -> Hi team, -> ->> and had not seen any comment to Andrews document? -> ->> - I haven't seen any real comments to the GES rendering document either. -> -> Yeah that was my idea with the factsheet, which had the views of both -> documents merged - but this was ignored and now we have again our two -> fronts... - -We will *always* have the two front, but I'll give my views later during -the teleconference. -Anyway I should point out that during the last call there was no time -left to discuss anything else, which in my opinion was fine anyway -because we had the opportunity to understand the "GES realization via -existing specification" document quite well. - -By the way, I've not yet put formal minutes of the last meetings on the -wiki. From my recallings, here they are (please double check the list of -participants, I remember that there was at least another person from the -University of Virginia but I do not remember the name): - ----------- - -Teleconference on 2009-05-13, 04:00 CET - -Presents: - -- Andrew Grimshaw -- Aleksandr Konstantinov -- Moreno Marzolla -- Morris Riedel -- Etienne Urbah -- David Wallom - -Apologies: - -- Johannes Watzl - -Discussion: - -- Andrew illustrated in detail the document "GES realization via -existing specifications" http://forge.ogf.org/sf/go/doc15630?nav=1 -(version 1). - -- The discussion pinpointed some requirements (from the "Execution -Service Strawman" document "http://forge.ogf.org/sf/go/doc15590?nav=1 ) -which are not clear enough. In particular, the requirement of "support -for parallel jobs" should be clarified (e.g., state clearly what is -intended by "parallel job"). - -- David suggested to check the "JSDL parameter sweep extension" draft as -it could allow describing a set of arbitrarily different jobs (for the -requirement of bulk job submission to the execution service, which is a -feature currently not supported). - ----------- - -Moreno. - --- -Moreno Marzolla -INFN Sezione di Padova, via Marzolo 8, 35131 PADOVA, Italy -EMail: moreno.marzolla@pd.infn.it Phone: +39 049 8277103 -WWW : http://www.dsi.unive.it/~marzolla Fax : +39 049 8756233
Hi,
- We will *always* have the two front, ...
... we shouldn't - in the end, all we want is interoperability and I hope we still can get consensus that makes sense and not drift off like in an IDL-like thinking where solutions come up that are not interoperable at all... Take care, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Forschungszentrum Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel@fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender)
------Original Message----- -From: Moreno Marzolla [mailto:moreno.marzolla@pd.infn.it] -Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:52 AM -To: Morris Riedel -Cc: 'Balazs Konya'; 'Steven Newhouse'; pgi-wg@ogf.org -Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] Promised document - -Morris Riedel wrote: -> Hi team, -> ->> and had not seen any comment to Andrews document? -> ->> - I haven't seen any real comments to the GES rendering document either. -> -> Yeah that was my idea with the factsheet, which had the views of both -> documents merged - but this was ignored and now we have again our two -> fronts... - -We will *always* have the two front, but I'll give my views later during -the teleconference. -Anyway I should point out that during the last call there was no time -left to discuss anything else, which in my opinion was fine anyway -because we had the opportunity to understand the "GES realization via -existing specification" document quite well. - -By the way, I've not yet put formal minutes of the last meetings on the -wiki. From my recallings, here they are (please double check the list of -participants, I remember that there was at least another person from the -University of Virginia but I do not remember the name): - ----------- - -Teleconference on 2009-05-13, 04:00 CET - -Presents: - -- Andrew Grimshaw -- Aleksandr Konstantinov -- Moreno Marzolla -- Morris Riedel -- Etienne Urbah -- David Wallom - -Apologies: - -- Johannes Watzl - -Discussion: - -- Andrew illustrated in detail the document "GES realization via -existing specifications" http://forge.ogf.org/sf/go/doc15630?nav=1 -(version 1). - -- The discussion pinpointed some requirements (from the "Execution -Service Strawman" document "http://forge.ogf.org/sf/go/doc15590?nav=1 ) -which are not clear enough. In particular, the requirement of "support -for parallel jobs" should be clarified (e.g., state clearly what is -intended by "parallel job"). - -- David suggested to check the "JSDL parameter sweep extension" draft as -it could allow describing a set of arbitrarily different jobs (for the -requirement of bulk job submission to the execution service, which is a -feature currently not supported). - ----------- - -Moreno. - --- -Moreno Marzolla -INFN Sezione di Padova, via Marzolo 8, 35131 PADOVA, Italy -EMail: moreno.marzolla@pd.infn.it Phone: +39 049 8277103 -WWW : http://www.dsi.unive.it/~marzolla Fax : +39 049 8756233
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