Re: [Pgi-wg] PGI Execution Service - Realization via existing specifications
Morris and All, Concerning the PGI Execution Service : Lot of thanks to Morris for the wiki page at http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/GES I am NOT especially Pro or Contra : - keeping the existing stacked specifications, - or starting a new stand-alone focused specification. But we need clarification, and I think that this wiki page helps. So I added into this wiki page the 'List of OGSA-BES et al. specifications'. Please verify if this list is complete, relevant and accurate. Best regards. ----------------------------------------------------- Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr ----------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 13 May 2009, Morris Riedel wrote:
Hey PGI team,
we are running in the pro/contra discussions again and again as it looks like... consuming our valuable time fosterings positions w/o clear understanding of the bigger picture.
I suggest we clearly collect all statements related to pro/contra new / old specs inside the following wiki page tables:
http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/GES?_mes sage=1242216401105
Let's try to collect all statements and positions and have an objective whole view on all of them together by filling out this page.
I hope this also supports the telcon so thanks for adding your views to the tables.
Your co-chair, Morris
------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Forschungszentrum Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany
Email: m.riedel@fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656
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------Original Message----- -From: pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of -Andrew Grimshaw -Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:48 PM -To: 'Steven Newhouse'; 'Etienne Urbah'; 'Andrew GRIMSHAW' -Cc: pgi-wg@ogf.org; edges-na3@mail.edges-grid.eu; lodygens@lal.in2p3.fr -Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] PGI Execution Service - Realization viaexistingspecifications - -All, -The standard is the standard. - -That said what I was trying to point out was - 1) That with minor updates to the BES spec, say to a 1.1 version we -could accommodate many of the requirements in the GES document - 2) That in fact the authors of the BES anticipated many of these -same issues but that they were weeded out. - -As another note since it was perhaps not clear. I was NOT suggesting that -sub-states become part of a new BES 1.1 specification - that "pending" -perhaps should, and that we PROFILE the substates. - -Talk to you all in 130 minutes. - -A - -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Steven Newhouse [mailto:Steven.Newhouse@cern.ch] -> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:08 AM -> To: Etienne Urbah; Andrew GRIMSHAW -> Cc: pgi-wg@ogf.org; edges-na3@mail.edges-grid.eu; lodygens@lal.in2p3.fr -> Subject: RE: [Pgi-wg] PGI Execution Service - Realization via -> existingspecifications -> -> -> > - For BES, official recommendation GDF.108 does NOT contain the -> > 'Running:Stage-in' and 'Running:Stage-out' states. -> > -> > So we have to decide which basis we take for BES : -> > -> > - Either OFFICIAL recommendation GDF.108, which I suppose is the -> > one for which you mention existing implementations. -> -> This should be the basis for any further work. Andrew circulated earlier -> versions just to show you relevant functions that were discussed that -> did not make it into the final version. -> -> Steven
------Original Message----- -From: Etienne URBAH [mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr] -Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:47 PM -To: Morris RIEDEL -Cc: pgi-wg@ogf.org; Oleg LODYGENSKY; edges-na3@mail.edges-grid.eu -Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] PGI Execution Service - Realization via existing specifications - -Morris and All, - -Concerning the PGI Execution Service : - -Lot of thanks to Morris for the wiki page at -http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/GES - -I am NOT especially Pro or Contra : -- keeping the existing stacked specifications, -- or starting a new stand-alone focused specification. - -But we need clarification, and I think that this wiki page helps. - -So I added into this wiki page the 'List of OGSA-BES et al. -specifications'. Please verify if this list is complete, relevant and -accurate. - -Best regards. - ------------------------------------------------------ -Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS - Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France -Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah -Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah@lal.in2p3.fr ------------------------------------------------------ - - -On Wed, 13 May 2009, Morris Riedel wrote: -> Hey PGI team, -> -> -> we are running in the pro/contra discussions again and again as it looks -> like... consuming our valuable time fosterings positions w/o clear -> understanding of the bigger picture. -> -> -> I suggest we clearly collect all statements related to pro/contra new /
-> specs inside the following wiki page tables: -> -> -> http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/GES?_mes -> sage=1242216401105 -> -> -> Let's try to collect all statements and positions and have an objective -> whole view on all of them together by filling out this page. -> -> -> I hope this also supports the telcon so thanks for adding your views to
-> tables. -> -> -> Your co-chair, -> Morris -> -> -> ------------------------------------------------------------ -> Morris Riedel -> SW - Engineer -> Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division -> Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) -> Forschungszentrum Juelich -> Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 -> D - 52425 Juelich -> Germany -> -> Email: m.riedel@fz-juelich.de -> Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel -> Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 -> Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 -> -> Skype: MorrisRiedel -> -> "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" -> -> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich -> Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 -> Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe -> Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), -> Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender) -> ->> ------Original Message----- ->> -From: pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org [mailto:pgi-wg-bounces@ogf.org] On Behalf Of ->> -Andrew Grimshaw ->> -Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:48 PM ->> -To: 'Steven Newhouse'; 'Etienne Urbah'; 'Andrew GRIMSHAW' ->> -Cc: pgi-wg@ogf.org; edges-na3@mail.edges-grid.eu; lodygens@lal.in2p3.fr ->> -Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] PGI Execution Service - Realization -> viaexistingspecifications ->> - ->> -All, ->> -The standard is the standard. ->> - ->> -That said what I was trying to point out was ->> - 1) That with minor updates to the BES spec, say to a 1.1 version we ->> -could accommodate many of the requirements in the GES document ->> - 2) That in fact the authors of the BES anticipated many of these ->> -same issues but that they were weeded out. ->> - ->> -As another note since it was perhaps not clear. I was NOT suggesting
->> -sub-states become part of a new BES 1.1 specification - that "pending" ->> -perhaps should, and that we PROFILE the substates. ->> - ->> -Talk to you all in 130 minutes. ->> - ->> -A ->> - ->> -> -----Original Message----- ->> -> From: Steven Newhouse [mailto:Steven.Newhouse@cern.ch] ->> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:08 AM ->> -> To: Etienne Urbah; Andrew GRIMSHAW ->> -> Cc: pgi-wg@ogf.org; edges-na3@mail.edges-grid.eu; lodygens@lal.in2p3.fr ->> -> Subject: RE: [Pgi-wg] PGI Execution Service - Realization via ->> -> existingspecifications ->> -> ->> -> ->> -> > - For BES, official recommendation GDF.108 does NOT contain the ->> -> > 'Running:Stage-in' and 'Running:Stage-out' states. ->> -> > ->> -> > So we have to decide which basis we take for BES : ->> -> > ->> -> > - Either OFFICIAL recommendation GDF.108, which I suppose is
->> -> > one for which you mention existing implementations. ->> -> ->> -> This should be the basis for any further work. Andrew circulated earlier ->> -> versions just to show you relevant functions that were discussed
Good man! ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel SW - Engineer Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Forschungszentrum Juelich Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1 D - 52425 Juelich Germany Email: m.riedel@fz-juelich.de Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651 Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656 Skype: MorrisRiedel "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity" Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender) old the that the that
->> -> did not make it into the final version. ->> -> ->> -> Steven
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